Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

[Dobba]

Looking forward to the new leader abstaining his way to an election victory.

First leader to not even vote for themselves on election day, in case they cause a scene.

Who says.That's exactly what they are.

Heaven forbid. Jess Phillips is a self-proclaimed socialist don't you know.

 

[horsechoker]

It has always appeared obvious to me. The older generation are more likely to react badly to immigration because they remember a time when there were hardly any immigrants. The younger generations have grown up in a multicultural society and went to school with immigrant and have friends of other ethnicities. It becomes normalised and a part of 'British culture'. It helps to explain the age demographics of the Leave vote.

It is also why I said Merkel made a huge huge mistake around the immigrant crisis because a society cannot adapt peacefully to that level of immigration at once. It could be one of the key moments that we look back on as deciding the fate of the EU.

It is fear rooted in ignorance. But to continue to dismiss or demonise the phenomenon will get you no where IMO. It has to be tackled with logic and understanding.

I don't think the hard left are capable of that.

Completely agree, I really do think Merkel's actions were the straw that broke the camel's back.

 

[Sweet Square]

ABSTAINED - Ronnie Campbell, long time member of the awkward squad in the Labour left
ABSTAINED - Jo Cox, the one everyone agreed was a fantastic MP a week ago, and who Corbyn did not describe as Tory-lite after leading the condolences after her murder
ABSTAINED - Barry Gardiner, newly appointed to the shadow cabinet, was literally only person at PLP meeting yesterday to speak up for Corbyn
ABSTAINED - Pat Glass, newly appointed to the shadow cabinet
ABSTAINED - Harry Harpham, former miner who sadly died last year, Corbyn once again led the condolences well
ABSTAINED - Andy Slaughter, only resigned from his shadow ministerial position after 90% of his local party agreed, long time friend of Corbyn
ABSTAINED - Emily Thornberry, now shadow foreign secretary, one of the few left who'll defend Corbyn
ABSTAINED - Jon Trickett, Corbyn's biggest ally in the PLP aside from McDonnell, now an important member of the shadow cabinet

It's almost like you can't boil down someone's political views based on a single abstention, isn't it.

I never did(I also never called any Tory lite by the way).

I just simply stated the reason why I thought they abstained(If you listen those three in that interview I think it's pretty clear why some of them abstained). Also as for the people you mentioned - then yes they fecked up and thought it was good for the Labour image to hit people on welfare as well.

Christ I'm not calling them evil or anything.

 

[MikeUpNorth]

You think that would have stopped them coming to Europe?

No, but it changes the narrative to one of helping people in temporary need rather than one about long term immigration.

 

[Ubik]

I never did(I also never called any Tory lite by the way).

I just simply stated the reason why I thought they abstained(If you listen those three in that interview I think it's pretty clear why some of them abstained). Also as for the people you mentioned - then yes they fecked up and thought it was good for the Labour image to hit people on welfare as well.

Christ I'm not calling them evil or anything.

True, I mistook responses to your original post to be yours, apologies.

 

[Smores]

Looks like it's between Eagle and Watson. If its Eagle then I'm done feck knows how she's any more electable and it shows she'll place blame for the failure of the referendum but not take any.

I'd be willing to give Watson a chance but I'd be suprised if that's the route the party wants to go down.

 

[Red Defence]

It's at the stage now where I've thrown positioning out the window and just want someone that can actually put together a team, focus them rigidly on their jobs and ensure Boris isn't allowed to get away with anything. Looks like it'll either be Watson or Eagle, neither are ideal for me but both would do that job. And both would highlight it as nonsense when Corbyn allies describe it as a "Blairite coup". Have them try to stitch the party back together in time for the inevitable election, then after that try and bring in someone that is more of a long term bet (be that either Nandy to the left or Umunna/Jarvis to the right). Benn would've been my preferred candidate as caretaker but fairly obvious that's not happening.

Don't want to think much about the consequences if Corbyn hangs on, but a split is likely (either formal or informal).

I'm thinking a split is quite likely now.

 

[Sweet Square]

True, I mistook responses to your original post to be yours, apologies.

No worries.

I'm sure we'll find something else with the Labour party to argue about.

 

[Adisa]

Angela arable is quite close to the Unions so she might have a better chance.

 

[Flamingo Purple]

Will Corbyn stand in the re-election?

 

[Minimalist]

Labour and Tories are a complete mess.

Somehow David Cameron now looks like a titan compared to the rest.

 

[Adisa]

The fact that 40 voted for Corbyn shows he has enough support to get on the ballot box.
I just think he should quit. He will look like a crazed power hungry, elitist socialist if he's hell bent on continuing.

 

[Smores]

The fact that 40 voted for Corbyn shows he has enough support to get on the ballot box.
I just think he should quit. He will look like a crazed power hungry, elitist socialist if he's hell bent on continuing.

There's absolutely no reason for him to resign and if anyone looks power hungry and elitist it certainly isn't him.

Strategically it's also idiotic for the PLP to try and make him do so. At least if he loses an election it shows the members want a new leader if they force him out they could be abandoned.

 

[Ubik]

The fact that 40 voted for Corbyn shows he has enough support to get on the ballot box.
I just think he should quit. He will look like a crazed power hungry, elitist socialist if he's hell bent on continuing.

He'd need 50, so he'd need to convince some abstainers and/or some of Labour's 20 MEPs, that's if he's not automatically on it.

 

[Shamwow]

I'll laugh if there isn't actually a snap general election after all this.

(By laugh I actually mean cry.)

 

[Dobba]

The fact that 40 voted for Corbyn shows he has enough support to get on the ballot box.
I just think he should quit. He will look like a crazed power hungry, elitist socialist if he's hell bent on continuing.

The Labour party desperately needs to be lead by someone who couldn't be arsed to vote on the Welfare Bill. If they also voted for the war in Iraq and then consistently against an investigation into it, even better. That'll win the voters over.

 

[Red Defence]

The fact that 40 voted for Corbyn shows he has enough support to get on the ballot box.
I just think he should quit. He will look like a crazed power hungry, elitist socialist if he's hell bent on continuing.

He's probably the least crazed power hungry socialist among them all.

 

[noodlehair]

Not that I'm the biggest fan of Corbyn's, but I will never, ever vote for any Labour candidate who's done anything to deliberately undermine him. They apparently see themselves as above the results of a democratic vote by their members if they simply don't like the result. Or think listening to their members is beneath them if they simply don't want to. So you have to wonder what the point in voting for any of them would even be. They're alll dead in the water as far as I'm concerned...and they should be fecking ashamed of themselves for making a vitally important moment in the Country's history all about them.

Labour will be wiped out at the next election and this lot are entirely to blame, not Corbyn.

Best thing that can happen is there's a suitable candidate who isn't responsible for any of this mess, who can give the party a purpose. At least Corbyn has tried to do that...he's survived the brutal media campaign to bury him, the questioning of his backround and scrutiny for doing things like admitting he wouldn't want to start a nuclear war...but is instead being destroyed by members of his own party who are too childish to accept why Corbyn got voted in to begin with...because the rest of them are spineless dullards trying to preach politics that absolutely no one wants. Most of them abstained on the most fecking right wing welfare bill you could ever wish to see...who the feck do they think they are to be trying to dictate anything when they don't even do their jobs?

 

[Sweet Square]

If they also voted for the war in Iraq and then consistently against an investigation into it, even better. That'll win the voters over.

Wonder what effect the Chilcot Inquiry will have on soon to be leadership race. Also I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure Watson voted for both.

 

[MikeUpNorth]

Not that I'm the biggest fan of Corbyn's, but I will never, ever vote for any Labour candidate who's done anything to deliberately undermine him. They apparently see themselves as above the results of a democratic vote by their members if they simply don't like the result. Or think listening to their members is beneath them if they simply don't want to. So you have to wonder what the point in voting for any of them would even be. They're alll dead in the water as far as I'm concerned...and they should be fecking ashamed of themselves for making a vitally important moment in the Country's history all about them.

Labour will be wiped out at the next election and this lot are entirely to blame, not Corbyn.

Best thing that can happen is there's a suitable candidate who isn't responsible for any of this mess, who can give the party a purpose. At least Corbyn has tried to do that...he's survived the brutal media campaign to bury him, the questioning of his backround and scrutiny for doing things like admitting he wouldn't want to start a nuclear war...but is instead being destroyed by members of his own party who are too childish to accept why Corbyn got voted in to begin with...because the rest of them are spineless dullards trying to preach politics that absolutely no one wants. Most of them abstained on the most fecking right wing welfare bill you could ever wish to see...who the feck do they think they are to be trying to dictate anything when they don't even do their jobs?

If 80% of your MPs have no confidence in your leadership, I think it's fair to consider that maybe, just maybe, it's the fault of the leader rather than the MPs.

 

[sun_tzu]

He has said he won't resign...
Long drawn out fight (and probably ending up with the party splitting) it is then

 

[GloryHunter07]

The Thick of It is reality.

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Not sure I understand the significance?

 

[Red Defence]

The Labour Party was formed by the workers (unions) for the workers and Corbyn has stood by that. Maybe some of the other Labour party members are in the wrong party.....a split seems sensible for everyone.

 

[horsechoker]

I'm now worried about the future of the left in Britain, should the Labour party go under or fade into irrelevancy who will be there to counter the right? My fear is, the right will dominate UK politics with our main choices being the near-right or the far-right.

 

[Dobba]

Wonder what effect the Chilcot Inquiry will have on soon to be leadership race. Also I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure Watson voted for both.

If still filled to the brim with the warmongers the party will be buried in the aftermath of the Chilcot report and not a moment too soon.

 

[GloryHunter07]

The Labour Party was formed by the workers (unions) for the workers and Corbyn has stood by that. Maybe some of the other Labour party members are in the wrong party.....a split seems sensible for everyone.

Doesn't seem like a good outcome for the public.

 

[Adisa]

I don't even give a shite anymore. Lib Dems have my vote as it stands.

 

[Shamwow]

If 80% of your MPs have no confidence in your leadership, I think it's fair to consider that maybe, just maybe, it's the fault of the leader rather than the MPs.

Yeah we'd believe that if they hadn't made it clear how this would play out since august last year.

 

[lynchie]

So Labour now have a leader less popular than Michael Howard, who was crap at local elections, crap in the EU referendum, has completely lost the confidence of basically all of the Labour MPs, and yet he sees no reason to resign.

If there is a snap election in the Autumn, I suspect Tim Farron and Nigel Farage are going to have one hell of a night.

 

[Red Defence]

Doesn't seem like a good outcome for the public.

Oh I don't know. The party has had no real identity for years now. Just feels like a milder version of the Tory party. The left have not really had anyone to represent them which is why I think it's important to keep Corbyn as the leader of the Labour party. As for some of the rest...well....when they didn't vote against the welfare bill I was appalled. Their desperation to "please all" has lost them many votes and I really don't think that they'll ever win an election with so many middle of the road politicians who don't stand by traditional Labour values.

 

[MikeUpNorth]

Yeah we'd believe that if they hadn't made it clear how this would play out since august last year.

Believe it. They have seen it up close as everyone else has seen from afar, Corbyn is incompetent and would make for a terrible Prime Minister. It really is that simple.

You may like his politics, fine, but find someone competent who can represent these ideals and lead the party.

 

[Sweet Square]

If still filled to the brim with the warmongers the party will be buried in the aftermath of the Chilcot report and not a moment too soon.

It be interesting to how much public interest is still with the Iraq war(Hopefully a lot).

 

[Shamwow]

Believe it. They have seen it up close as everyone else has seen from afar, Corbyn is incompetent and would make for a terrible Prime Minister. It really is that simple.

You may like his politics, fine, but find someone competent who can represent these ideals and lead the party.

It's irrelevant to me now. The public don't get many chances to have their say. When you give then one you better fecking respect it or lose their trust entirely. I'm supporting Corbyn because the others have wiped their arse with my trust time and time again. No more.

 

[Smores]

Wonder what effect the Chilcot Inquiry will have on soon to be leadership race. Also I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure Watson voted for both.

Both him and eagle voted for the Iraq war and against an investigation. They were both caught up in the expense scandal as well . Eagle was also the one described earnings about the housing market as macroeconomic nonsense just before they tanked.


Eagle can do a good angry voice though so I think that trumps all the above

 

[MikeUpNorth]

It's irrelevant to me now. The public don't get many chances to have their say. When you give then one you better fecking respect it or lose their trust entirely. I'm supporting Corbyn because the others have wiped their arse with my trust time and time again. No more.

It's the Labour Party not the Corbyn Party. Are you really saying Corbyn is the only person you'd support as leader of the party?

 

[noodlehair]

If 80% of your MPs have no confidence in your leadership, I think it's fair to consider that maybe, just maybe, it's the fault of the leader rather than the MPs.

The fact Corbyn ended up being voted leader by such a massive majority in the first place, despite only being put on the ballot as some kind of token alternative, suggests there is very much a problem with the MPs.

When MPs...i.e. members of a democratic party, decide to go about deliberately undermining and ignoring the result of a democratic vote from their members, then there is VERY DEFINITELY a problem with the MPs. A very serious problem. It's not 80% of them who fall into this category. It's 80% who have lost faith in Corbyn's ability to sort this out, which isn't an unreasonable view to take at this point even if you like or want to support him...I don't reallly have faith in Corbyn's ability to sort this out, but I certainly don't see how it's his fault. If it was his fault he'd never have been elected in the first place.

What exactly is the pplan of this lot who've been deiberately undermining their own party for months? None of them have offered any political direction themselves. None of them offer a plan. They have just thrown their toys out of the pram because their members told them in no uncertain terms that they were a bit shit. Corbyn is merely the result of that.

 

[Shamwow]

It's the Labour Party not the Corbyn Party. Are you really saying Corbyn is the only person you'd support as leader of the party?

No. This isn't really about Corbyn for me any more.

 

[Sweet Square]

Both him and eagle voted for the Iraq war and against an investigation. They were both caught up in the expense scandal as well . Eagle was also the one described earnings about the housing market as macroeconomic nonsense just before they tanked.


Eagle can do a good angry voice though so I think that trumps all the above

Not sure how much this makes a difference but Eagle's CLP(Constituency Labour Party)asked her to publicly back Corbyn.

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[ThierryHenry]

Yeah we'd believe that if they hadn't made it clear how this would play out since august last year.

I get that you think some in the party have harmed his chances by not supporting him since the leadership election, but what do you think of his performance since that point? Have you watched the VICE documentary? He's been absolutely terrible as leader of the opposition, let alone leader of the Labour party, and if there's an election in the next six months he has no chance of leaving the party in a stronger position than he found it in last year.

 

[MikeUpNorth]

He's Labour's David Moyes. He's had his 10 months, been an embarrassment and now needs to go.