Eric Bailly | Manchester United Player

[Mike09]

Physical attribute he is definitely an upgrade of Blind. Pace, power, strength, height, aerial duel, defending set pieces have been Blind's weakness and Bailly has all of these.
Judging by the Wigan's game as a defender, Bailly looks very confident on the ball. I can confirm this since according to whoscored.com he likes to dribble.

As for concentration, positioning, reading the game well, we will see them soon.
Blind isn't a centre back and we saw so many times Blind loses his man in penalty box which cost us many times. If Bailly has all of those three aspects, I can see that we have just signed a very very good centre back.

 

[Mike09]

I think the quotes referred to giving Pereira more game time should Pogba not come. Besides, this is the caf. There's more cringeworthy stuff in the Pogba thread and he's arguably not even world class.

More games means on loan or hoping all our midfields got injured. We clearly need an upgrade in midfield. He's clearly not ready unless if the fans don't mind us finish 5th or 7th again. If we miss Pogba, the spot will be given to a midfield who can lead us to title contenders.

I considered Pogba as a world class. The only current midfielders who is above Pogba right now are Modric and Iniesta. The rest are just on par or below. You don't see a non world class player in FIFA Pro XI. Just in case, if you mention David Luiz. When Pogba is named on the list, there are no doubt about it which means he deserves it. But when Luiz was named on the list, many people are doubting it.

 

[VP89]

More games means on loan or hoping all our midfields got injured. We clearly need an upgrade in midfield. He's clearly not ready unless if the fans don't mind us finish 5th or 7th again. If we miss Pogba, the spot will be given to a midfield who can lead us to title contenders.

I considered Pogba as a world class. The only current midfielders who is above Pogba right now are Modric and Iniesta. The rest are just on par or below. You don't see a non world class player in FIFA Pro XI. Just in case, if you mention David Luiz. When Pogba is named on the list, there are no doubt about it which means he deserves it. But when Luiz was named on the list, many people are doubting it.

I'm not going to get drawn into a Pogba diversion but there are at least 3 others better than him. He wouldn't get into my world XI (I'm not mentioning a FIFA XI because they are based off cack rankings).

WRT Perreira, I believe he's talented enough to be a squad player for us. He's not a direct replacement for a missed target but he should be ready to make appearances for the first team this season. Its sink or swim for him.

 

[Mike09]

I'm not going to get drawn into a Pogba diversion but there are at least 3 others better than him. He wouldn't get into my world XI (I'm not mentioning a FIFA XI because they are based off cack rankings).

WRT Perreira, I believe he's talented enough to be a squad player for us. He's not a direct replacement for a missed target but he should be ready to make appearances for the first team this season. Its sink or swim for him.

This is what I don't understand. A proven player, but people think he doesn't deserve the hype. But for an unproven players, people hype them.

 

[VP89]

This is what I don't understand. A proven player, but people think he doesn't deserve the hype. But for an unproven players, people hype them.

Perreira hasn't been hyped to anywhere near the level Pogba has.

Just realised this is the Bailly thread! Sorry mods

 

[Mike09]

Perreira hasn't been hyped to anywhere near the level Pogba has.

Just realised this is the Bailly thread! Sorry mods

Someone think Pereira can take Pogba's spot. The hype is too high for me.

Sorry mods.

 

[m1y2]

I didn't understand the hype of Blackett at that time as well. To me he didn't look good at all during first pre season under LVG. Just because we did well against Real, Liverpool and Roma in pre season people started to hype some players. Pereira against Wigan a few days ago is one of the example. I'm not saying Pereira doesn't have talent but the hype is crazy, I even read some people think Pereira can take Pogba spot if we fail to sign Pogba. When I read it, I was like wow!! One pre season game is enough to convince someone to think that Pereira is ready enough to lead our midfield as a title contender.

well first of all Blackett never showed any potential since the time he was promoted to the U21 and loaned after, so it was a big surprise that he got a shot on tour that year. I think at the tour he was very good and desrved to be praised good on the ball and looked composed, we also played possession football so he didn't need to defend much and 5 men defense suited him as well... People who claim he was bad at tour and didn't show signs of promise should open their eyes because he looked very good but it was a preseason and some of us knew it might be a temporary form showed by him but didn't say anything and watched the masterclass Van Gaal at the time trying to get best out of his players, but who wouldn't believe that a donkey Blackett looked like a decent player in all games of tour, didn't look like a fluke... Where as now when people see Eric Bailly playing 60 minutes against Wigan side in a fairly defensive setup where he really didn't have much to do defensively all of a sudden think he's second coming of Messiah, well maybe no, but people just feel optimistic about him the same way they felt about Blackett, and that's only good but people should be cautious what they say about him that he's different to Blackett, he didn't show anything yet to be proved right there, I bet there is no person here who would watch Villareal week in and week out, not even an half of their games to confirm he's as perfect as he looked in his first game for us..

Pereira on the other hand is a player I've been following for 4 years now and I am of the opinion that he's a great player in making and should be given chance, I don't think he looked far behind Pogba at the same age the time Van Gaal arrived to the club but strangely wasn't given chance, if he was sent out, the chance he would become 100m player would be very small as you don't produce thes palyers once in two/three years.. I also don't think that people are comparing his ability and Pogba's but the situation of the talent not given chance who might flee and become a great player elsewhere, and yes they are playing similar position and yes if Pogba comes, Pereira will not see much of the game time, so there is some connections between the two..

In addition to that you are just overreacting, nobody thinks that he will lead our midfield as title contenders, if so highlight it for me...also I don't know about you but there is people who saw him play more than one preseason game

 

[Mike09]

well first of all Blackett never showed any potential since the time he was promoted to the U21 and loaned after, so it was a big surprise that he got a shot on tour that year. I think at the tour he was very good and desrved to be praised good on the ball and looked composed, we also played possession football so he didn't need to defend much and 5 men defense suited him as well... People who claim he was bad at tour and didn't show signs of promise should open their eyes because he looked very good but it was a preseason and some of us knew it might be a temporary form showed by him but didn't say anything and watched the masterclass Van Gaal at the time trying to get best out of his players, but who wouldn't believe that a donkey Blackett looked like a decent player in all games of tour, didn't look like a fluke... Where as now when people see Eric Bailly playing 60 minutes against Wigan side in a fairly defensive setup where he really didn't have much to do defensively all of a sudden think he's second coming of Messiah, well maybe no, but people just feel optimistic about him the same way they felt about Blackett, and that's only good but people should be cautious what they say about him that he's different to Blackett, he didn't show anything yet to be proved right there, I bet there is no person here who would watch Villareal week in and week out, not even an half of their games to confirm he's as perfect as he looked in his first game for us..

Pereira on the other hand is a player I've been following for 4 years now and I am of the opinion that he's a great player in making and should be given chance, I don't think he looked far behind Pogba at the same age the time Van Gaal arrived to the club but strangely wasn't given chance, if he was sent out, the chance he would become 100m player would be very small as you don't produce thes palyers once in two/three years.. I also don't think that people are comparing his ability and Pogba's but the situation of the talent not given chance who might flee and become a great player elsewhere, and yes they are playing similar position and yes if Pogba comes, Pereira will not see much of the game time, so there is some connections between the two..

In addition to that you are just overreacting, nobody thinks that he will lead our midfield as title contenders, if so highlight it for me...also I don't know about you but there is people who saw him play more than one preseason game

Go to Pereira's thread on last page and you will find someone thinks Pereira should take Pogba's spot. We try to sign Pogba to lead our midfield as a title contenders. If someone think Pereira can take that spot, the hype is on.

 

[m1y2]

Go to Pereira's thread on last page and you will find someone thinks Pereira should take Pogba's spot. We try to sign Pogba to lead our midfield as a title contenders. If someone think Pereira can take that spot, the hype is on.

Well and what? Our midfield is decent now.. Carrick/Sweinsteigger/Blind, Herrera and Schneiderlin will certainly thrive under Mourinho and then you have TFM and Pereira as the young blood, it's not world class but if Pogba doesn't come this summer why should we spend money on some other player who is not at his level or potential, rather wait one year and then I am not ashamed to say that Pereira could take his spot and game time, he's a great young talent and needs to play, no need to sign Andre gomes/Matuidi or other players who would not improve us or be only a slight upgrade, if we sign someone it needs to be someone like Pogba/Verratti/ Modric, no need to stack with just "decent" players

 

[Mike09]

Well and what? Our midfield is decent now.. Carrick/Sweinsteigger/Blind, Herrera and Schneiderlin will certainly thrive under Mourinho and then you have TFM and Pereira as the young blood, it's not world class but if Pogba doesn't come this summer why should we spend money on some other player who is not at his level or potential, rather wait one year and then I am not ashamed to say that Pereira could take his spot and game time, he's a great young talent and needs to play, no need to sign Andre gomes/Matuidi or other players who would not improve us or be only a slight upgrade, if we sign someone it needs to be someone like Pogba/Verratti/ Modric, no need to stack with just "decent" players

Are you kidding right? Pereira can take Pogba's spot?
Being talent and needs to play doesn't mean he's ready enough to take Pogba's spot.

 

[m1y2]

Are you kidding right? Pereira can take Pogba's spot?
Being talent and needs to play doesn't mean he's ready enough to take Pogba's spot.

Omg, what you don't understand on what I said? Should I write it again? By no means I meant Pereira's taking Pogba's spot in terms of quality or just the starting spot in the team which would go to Pogba if he came but if we fail to bring the frenchman in we can easily line up with the players we have now and then there will obviously be a place in the squad for Pereira. I think that this is exactly how most of the people feel about Pereira and his "sort of" Pogba's replacement, he was never a direct replacement. It's good not to take everything literally..

And I will write it AGAIN so you don't miss it, Pogba might be as close to the United transfer as Snejder, Gaitan, Vidal or other players in the past, if we are not signing him, we might not need to necessarily sign a player for the sake of signing a player, there is no similar player like him around and if he stays in Juve which is still very likely in my view, he can come next year after we get into Champions league and become contenders for all trophies again, there is no need to buy another only "decent" player to show him door next year when Pogba comes, when we already have enough of them..

 

[We need an rvn]

I thought this was the bailly thread???

 

[Ish]

Racism, I tell ya!

 

[Mike09]

Omg, what you don't understand on what I said? Should I write it again? By no means I meant Pereira's taking Pogba's spot in terms of quality or just the starting spot in the team which would go to Pogba if he came but if we fail to bring the frenchman in we can easily line up with the players we have now and then there will obviously be a place in the squad for Pereira. I think that this is exactly how most of the people feel about Pereira and his "sort of" Pogba's replacement, he was never a direct replacement. It's good not to take everything literally..

And I will write it AGAIN so you don't miss it, Pogba might be as close to the United transfer as Snejder, Gaitan, Vidal or other players in the past, if we are not signing him, we might not need to necessarily sign a player for the sake of signing a player, there is no similar player like him around and if he stays in Juve which is still very likely in my view, he can come next year after we get into Champions league and become contenders for all trophies again, there is no need to buy another only "decent" player to show him door next year when Pogba comes, when we already have enough of them..

If we have Hargreaves, Carrick, Scholes, Fletcher and Anderson in 2007/2008 I can see Pereira is taking Anderson's spot and being supported by top class players when he plays. But with our current midfield isn't good enough!! That's why we need Pogba. Once we have a class player like Pogba then Pereira can take either Herrera or Schweinsteiger as a backup. But taking Pogba's spot and think it's enough for Manchester United? Don't be deluded.

 

[m1y2]

If we have Hargreaves, Carrick, Scholes, Fletcher and Anderson in 2007/2008 I can see Pereira is taking Anderson's spot and being supported and learnt from the other senior players. But with our current midfield isn't good enough!! That's why we need Pogba. Once we have a class player like Pogba then Pereira can take either Herrera or Schweinsteiger as a backup. But taking Pogba's spot and think it's enough for Manchester United? Don't be deluded.

some people are just complete waste of time to have a discussion with, I'd like to stay away from personal insults but you are just clueless, I already explained twice like to a little kid and you still didn't get it and take words out of context. End of discussion

 

[Adam-Utd]

Playing against Aubameyang will be a good test. Will like to see him in a footrace, as let's be honest Will Grigg spent too long being on fire to worry about playing football against us.

 

[Mike09]

some people are just complete waste of time to have a discussion with, I'd like to stay away from personal insults but you are just clueless, I already explained twice like to a little kid and you still didn't get it and take words out of context. End of discussion

Not my problem. You are the one who has an issue, not me. Do you notice how you talked too much by starting a new argument and I tried to make it simple and straight forward so we can end the discussion because this is the wrong thread?

 

[Runner]

Is he likely to be first choice or Jones?

 

[Raw]

Is he likely to be first choice or Jones?

I think Mourinho will assess his performances in pre-season to get an idea. I reckon he'll become first choice as the season goes on, it's not like he's never played first team football. The only issue I can see is that he doesn't speak English.

 

[Runner]

I think Mourinho will assess his performances in pre-season to get an idea. I reckon he'll become first choice as the season goes on, it's not like he's never played first team football. The only issue I can see is that he doesn't speak English.

Thanks Raw, I didn't get a chance to see him in the first preseason game because i was camping.

 

[Red4Life_#7]

you were not watching the first preseason tour under Van Gaal then

Actually I did watch the pre-season tour and still didn't think much of him to be honest. Then when the season started it was even worse watching him in the team.

 

[sugar_kane]

I didn't understand the hype of Blackett at that time as well. To me he didn't look good at all during first pre season under LVG. Just because we did well against Real, Liverpool and Roma in pre season people started to hype some players. Pereira against Wigan a few days ago is one of the example. I'm not saying Pereira doesn't have talent but the hype is crazy, I even read some people think Pereira can take Pogba spot if we fail to sign Pogba. When I read it, I was like wow!! One pre season game is enough to convince someone to think that Pereira is ready enough to lead our midfield as a title contender.

I think the Blackett hype was driven by the fact he was the first youngster for Van Gaal to bring through, which got people excited. Especially as he didn't look totally shit (he later did).

 

[Adnan]

Missed the game earlier, how did he get on for anyone who watched the game?

 

[Croftona7]

Missed the game earlier, how did he get on for anyone who watched the game?

He did ok, he's got good recovery pace and showed that in one moment against Aubamayang, a couple of times he tried to run the ball out of defence and knocked it a bit too far in front of him and either lost possession or had to scramble not to lose possession, he's quite vocal which is good, especially as he's not been with us long, so confidence in that regard is fine, overall I'd say he looks pretty decent yet still raw, hard to make a definitive judgement just yet.

 

[Adnan]

He did ok, he's got good recovery pace and showed that in one moment against Aubamayang, a couple of times he tried to run the ball out of defence and knocked it a bit too far in front of him and either lost possession or had to scramble not to lose possession, he's quite vocal which is good, especially as he's not been with us long, so confidence in that regard is fine, overall I'd say he looks pretty decent yet still raw, hard to make a definitive judgement just yet.

Thanks for the reply

Hopefully he will be match ready come the start of the season, i have high hopes for him.

 

[Kill 'em all]

I hope he doesn't lose his temper in competitive games like he did today. Would've been sent off if he did that in a league game.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

He's still pretty raw, but has great physical attributes, which will more often than not get him out of mistakes.

 

[top1whoisman]

This performance told me much more than the one against a poor Wigan side. Solid game, he’s got some real pace on him. A couple of unnecessary hoofs in the first half, but read the game well, was confident & for the most part comfortable in possession, good one on one against Aubameyang a couple of times. All in all, I like what I’ve seen.

 

[XdanielredX]

Didn't like how easily he went down from a couple of small bumps sometimes, he's a big lad, that shit won't fly in the Premier League.

 

[RDCR07]

Didn't like how easily he went down from a couple of small bumps sometimes, he's a big lad, that shit won't fly in the Premier League.

He didnt go down the first time against Kagawa because he was weak. He went strategically to win the team a free kick. There is no way Kagawa is stronger than him. He will do fine in the premier league.

 

[Wicked_Badger]

His anticipation seems pretty decent from that vid. Nipped in front of the opposition a few times there. Pretty composed in the ball too.

Smalling/Bailly partnership could be good!

 

[XdanielredX]

He didnt go down the first time against Kagawa because he was weak. He went strategically to win the team a free kick. There is no way Kagawa is stronger than him. He will do fine in the premier league.

I know that, I'm saying I don't like it.

 

[Footyislife]

The good: He's extremely athletic and knows how to use it well. Composed on the ball.

The bad: Acted a little too composed on the ball couple times trying to dribble up through the middle and losing it. Very raw from a positioning and concentration standpoint. Ball watching for the first goal and during some Aubameyang runs.

Overall: Needs to learn to defend without always relying on his athleticism. I like his aggressiveness in his tackles. Haven't seen that since Vidic.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

I know that, I'm saying I don't like it.

Then you don't like modern football

 

[as-95]

I like how he booted the ball away after they got a seemingly unfair free kick when their player went down. Good to see a new signing already showing so much passion for the team.

If it was an official Premier League game though, I would prefer he didn't do that as unecessary cards can come back to bite you.

 

[XdanielredX]

Then you don't like modern football

ding ding ding weeeeeeeeeee haaave a WINNER!

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

ding ding ding weeeeeeeeeee haaave a WINNER!

For the record I don't disagree with you, think diving in football is beyond repair tho. I've just had to suck it up as a viewer unfortunately.

 

[Solius]

Physically he's got it all but he's definitely very raw. Doesn't seem too great at passing but as long as he improves his concentration and position he looks like he'll be a good addition.

 

[Nate Dogg]

Playing Jones alongside him will be a disaster, don't even get me started on Rojo, we really need a strong experienced defender possibly someone like Manolas.

 

[Brwned]

Didn't like how easily he went down from a couple of small bumps sometimes, he's a big lad, that shit won't fly in the Premier League.

Vidic did that plenty in the mythical Premier League.