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Kudos to you for attempting to revive this disaster of a thread. And Gladbach looked good against Leverkusen.
Another thing on topic:

This break cause of f*cking nationalteam is boring. But maybe Götze is getting some playtime there.
But getting started with one game and then have a break again is always weird.
 

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Another thing on topic:

This break cause of f*cking nationalteam is boring. But maybe Götze is getting some playtime there.
But getting started with one game and then have a break again is always weird.
It seems Bundesliga has started later than usual this season.
 

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I came here, because i wanted to bring in some feedback from someone, who doesn't primarily watch the Bundesliga, but watch leagues all over Europe. I am interested in the Bundesliga, just as La Liga, Serie A, Ligue 1..PL of course. Watching football all over Europe. Pretty clear that most, not to say allmost all in this thread almost solely watch Bundesliga - it becomes plainly obvious, when you read the posts. I wanted to bring in something different - a view from a more neutral position. But it was definitely a mistake...saying anything, that could shed the Bundesliga into a light only slightly weaker, then most Germans/Bundesliga fans are wanting to see, you get attacked, and your comments get ridiculed..
If you don't want to have other, less nationalistic/nation proud comments, why bother to write in a forum from another coutry/team?!
You call this "feedback"?

Don't get this chatter of Bayern being the 3rd best team of Europe/the world. Two or three years ago a lot of Bayern fans thought they are the best team in the world, best in Europe bla bla. Took them two thrashings against Barcelona and Real Madrid, and an elimination against the "minnow" Atletico to understand that they are not.
Delivering 2nd opinions is always welcome, and you'll hardly find anyone in here who's not open to a level-headed discussion. But this above isn't anywhere near that. It's condescending drivel carrying a certain opinion which is not to be disputed.
So stop playing the victim here. The tone dictates the echo, and you certainly didn't try very hard to keep it constructive
 

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You call this "feedback"?



Delivering 2nd opinions is always welcome, and you'll hardly find anyone in here who's not open to a level-headed discussion. But this above isn't anywhere near that. It's condescending drivel carrying a certain opinion which is not to be disputed.
So stop playing the victim here. The tone dictates the echo, and you certainly didn't try very hard to keep it constructive
Of course it is feedback. The arrogance of some Bayern fans, and how set in stone they claim that Bayern is the 3rd best team needs a proper reaction. I didn't try to put out the velvet gloves, i just used the tone set from others. Still baffled by the reaction..the PL overshadowing everything in the BL must really hurt Bundesliga fans more then i thought
 

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Kudos to you for attempting to revive this disaster of a thread. And Gladbach looked good against Leverkusen.
:lol: that was my thought too when reading slig's post.

I'm particularly interested to see how Schalke will develop, now that they are in good hands, on paper. To put it in simple terms, I'm curious to see whether Heidel, and Weinzierl, can actually lift up Schalke or whether they'll be dragged down themselves. Obviously, one result is not any evidence at all.
 

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If that is of any interest, I watch La Liga, Serie A, PL and BL games almost every week.
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Yes, i think it's really bad timing, that the season basically starts with a break. Hertha's Skjelbred got injured in the first game, but he will still travel to meet up with the national team and he will be checked there. I would prefer, if he could be checked and treated in Berlin.

And i hope we won't be the team, that will help Schalke really start their engines on matchday 3.
 
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:lol: that was my thought too when reading slig's post.

I'm particularly interested to see how Schalke will develop, now that they are in good hands, on paper. To put it in simple terms, I'm curious to see whether Heidel, and Weinzierl, can actually lift up Schalke or whether they'll be dragged down themselves. Obviously, one result is not any evidence at all.
I am interested to see how Embolo does in the Bundesliga.
 

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If that is of any interest, I watch La Liga, Serie A, PL and BL games almost every week.
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Yes, i think it's really bad timing, that the season basically starts with a break. Hertha's Skjelbred got injured in the first game, but he will still travel to meet up with the national team and he will be checked there. I would prefer, if he could be checked and treated in Berlin.

And i hope we won't be the team, that will help Schalke really start their engines on matchday 3.
As a consumer I don't really like it but I don't see how it's bad for the teams. This breaks gives the last minute signings a bit of time to settle in.
 

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Back to topic: I also just can say how good or bad Wolfsburg will be. Iam tending to say they will finish midtable or below cause the team is ruined. They lost a lot of players, but Kuba f.e is not a bad transfer, Kruse can also be helpfull. ?
Wolfsburg is a sinking ship, every good player wants to leave or is already gone. There have been rumours about PSG showing interest in Draxler but i don't think that's going to happen. Kruse went to Bremen by the way and got immediately injured.
 

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Of course it is feedback. The arrogance of some Bayern fans, and how set in stone they claim that Bayern is the 3rd best team needs a proper reaction. I didn't try to put out the velvet gloves, i just used the tone set from others. Still baffled by the reaction..the PL overshadowing everything in the BL must really hurt Bundesliga fans more then i thought
I suggest you read this post of yours aloud. It answers the question about the reaction by itself. And with that, we should end this discussion

:lol: that was my thought too when reading slig's post.

I'm particularly interested to see how Schalke will develop, now that they are in good hands, on paper. To put it in simple terms, I'm curious to see whether Heidel, and Weinzierl, can actually lift up Schalke or whether they'll be dragged down themselves. Obviously, one result is not any evidence at all.
I'm not sold on Weinzierl, tbh. Naldo instead of that fraud Matip should help them, Baba should be doing ok. But in the end, they didn't strengthen themselves enough to keep up with Kusen or Gladbach. They'll be busy fending off Wolfsburg
 

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I think Wolfburg's squad is decent but if the atmosphere is truly as bad as media reports suggests then they are in for a rough or rather mediocre season anyway.
 

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They'll keep Gustavo though, and surely Draxler too, even Rodriguez, whom everyone expected to be gone since 2 years, is still there. What's more, they'll have actually improved their weak spot with the strikers, with the very ill advised Lord B-52 move ending the expected way, and Dost gone, towards whom I for some reason have a strong antipathy. I'm just going to assume, whithout any actual knowledge, that the Real loanee is very talented and might do reasonably well with decent gametime and not a lot of pressure.

Not sure whether we should expect them to be as bad, or worse, than last season in the league
 

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I think Wolfburg's squad is decent but if the atmosphere is truly as bad as media reports suggests then they are in for a rough or rather mediocre season anyway.
If the rumors about Draxler are true, that might change by Wednesday. They already lost one massive stinker in Dost. If they ship off Draxler to PSG for 75m, and get a decent replacement, they might be in for a good season.
If Gomez stays fit, they should be able to contest for places 4-6.
 

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I'm not sold on Weinzierl, tbh. Naldo instead of that fraud Matip should help them, Baba should be doing ok. But in the end, they didn't strengthen themselves enough to keep up with Kusen or Gladbach. They'll be busy fending off Wolfsburg
Ohh, is he shit? This excites me seeing as he is a scouser now :drool:
 

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As a consumer I don't really like it but I don't see how it's bad for the teams. This breaks gives the last minute signings a bit of time to settle in.
That's true. I just think, that some teams will now find it hard to get the famous "momentum", teams like Hertha and Frankfurt for example. Sometimes a (few) win(s) at the start of a season can change everything, now maybe some players will lose with their national teams or even get injured and nobody knows how the next game will be. But of course maybe i'm thinking too much from a Hertha perspective, i guess for most teams it's not that bad.
 

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Ohh, is he shit? This excites me seeing as he is a scouser now :drool:
Brilliant business for Schalke. I won't say more than that:)

That's true. I just think, that some teams will now find it hard to get the famous "momentum", teams like Hertha and Frankfurt for example. Sometimes a (few) win(s) at the start of a season can change everything, now maybe some players will lose with their national teams or even get injured and nobody knows how the next game will be. But of course maybe i'm thinking too much from a Hertha perspective, i guess for most teams it's not that bad.
Just do some late signings to benefit, then:lol:
 

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That's true. I just think, that some teams will now find it hard to get the famous "momentum", teams like Hertha and Frankfurt for example. Sometimes a (few) win(s) at the start of a season can change everything, now maybe some players will lose with their national teams or even get injured and nobody knows how the next game will be. But of course maybe i'm thinking too much from a Hertha perspective, i guess for most teams it's not that bad.
But that's symmetrical, for every winner of the first match day there is also a loser, Bremen for example will potentially be very happy with the break.
 

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But that's symmetrical, for every winner of the first match day there is also a loser.
That's true, as i said, i was only talking about the situation of my team Hertha. Other teams can of course benefit from the break by not getting into a series of bad games in a row so quickly.
 

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But that's kinda binary, for every team that's potentially suffering there is a team that lost on the first match day.
True. In any case, one single game cannot really be construed as a series/run of any kind, whether good or bad. That's the weird thing with the international break and Bundesliga starting so late, to have one single league game and then right after the break feels annoying, excitement-destroying, and anticlimactic. I will live though.

PL already has 3 match days, La Liga two, then a breather is less nonsensical IMO.
 

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That is pretty telling, considering he left on a free.
Guy's a brain fart waiting to happen. He looks good on paper, but in reality he's a guarantee for having some points less at the end of a season than possible.
Expect Klavan to see a lot more minutes than him
 

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No, people who have a short horizon in footballing terms, and claiming wild stuff they have no idea about are ill-informed. Usually the Bayern/Bundesliga fans who are claiming that Bayern is better then the PL teams, and the Bundesliga is equal/better then the PL are people who never watch the PL. I know plenty of them in my circle. Apart from Roaaar, where you learn nothing about the PL, they don't watch any international league football. Have never met someone who is really following the PL (watching 2-3 live games a week, MOTD, other analysis) doing those wild claims.


That's plainly wrong. Best teams in the past. Last year it was City, Bayern, Atletico and Real. How it will be this year nobody can say. Just claiming this team is that good, because of what it did in the past is just not right. City, United and Chelsea all have better players then Atletico. Given the right tactics, they are the better team as well.
How the hell could you put City above Barcelona? It's been obvious for ages that the best 4 teams in Europe are Barcelona, Madrid, Bayern and Atletico.

Just because they managed to get further in the CL doesn't make them a better team.

Edit - And you rate Stones higher than Gimenez? That's just crazy
 

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Of course it is feedback. The arrogance of some Bayern fans, and how set in stone they claim that Bayern is the 3rd best team needs a proper reaction. I didn't try to put out the velvet gloves, i just used the tone set from others. Still baffled by the reaction..the PL overshadowing everything in the BL must really hurt Bundesliga fans more then i thought
Oh - I watch matches of the other top clubs a lot as long they aren't at the same time as the Bayern match. And I am so deluded to really think that Bayern is atleast the third best team. So I guess - I am deluded...

About Wolfsburg - if they can get Gomez in a run they could really finish very high. A Gomez with a lot self confidence in a team that is not too much based on ball possession can score 30+ goals a season and will be a big competition to Lewy and Aubameyang. (Gomez without confidence...)
They have the advantage to not play in Europe...
 

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About Wolfsburg - if they can get Gomez in a run they could really finish very high. A Gomez with a lot self confidence in a team that is not too much based on ball possession can score 30+ goals a season and will be a big competition to Lewy and Aubameyang. (Gomez without confidence...)
They have the advantage to not play in Europe...
Yeah, I think so, too. And he better delivers, I wasted a lot of money on him for my Kicker management team:D
 

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They have to deal with 38 matchdays instead of 34, on top of having more cup games than we do.
I know. I seem to remember though that we used to start a week before Serie a, no? Not sure and too lazy to check. Because ultimately, it's not a big deal.
For me, any international break is a bit annoying no matter when, but I accept they have to happen somewhen.
 

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Yeah, I think so, too. And he better delivers, I wasted a lot of money on him for my Kicker management team:D
With Kuba, Rodriguez, Caliguri and Draxler he has a very good delivery team...

I haven't watched their match so I do not know how their defense looks like now. But the midfield with Gustavo and Arnold is not that bad either.
 

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Hecking is still my nr.2 in the list "expected sacks". Nr. 1 being skripnik of course.
 

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Hecking is still my nr.2 in the list "expected sacks". Nr. 1 being skripnik of course.
He's too good of a buddy with Allofs. My number 1 is Maier. Darmstadt looks horrific
 

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He's too good of a buddy with Allofs. My number 1 is Maier. Darmstadt looks horrific
I don't think, that Darmstadt would sack Meier, if they wouldn't have a replacement ready. And who would want to take over at Darmstadt, when they will almost certainly go down? I think, the "firefighters" go more and more extinct in the BL.
 

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I don't think, that Darmstadt would sack Meier, if they wouldn't have a replacement ready. And who would want to take over at Darmstadt, when they will almost certainly go down? I think, the "firefighters" go more and more extinct in the BL.
Maier buried better than clubs than Darmstadt in the past. Just watch them doing a Tennis Borussia in the first 9 or 10 games, and Darmstadt will most certainly opt for some kind of young prospect manager in the mould of Nagelsmann.
 

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I think Darmstadt is completely toxic for a coach. You have a shitty squad, basically no youngsters and no money.
It's not even like they can offer the perspective of a strong rebuild and an immediate promotion challenge next season, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they end up struggling in the second divison too. It's no surprise that they had to hire someone like Meier with a dodgy reputation who no ambitious club will ever touch in the first place nor is it surprising that their former coach jumped ship the first chance he got despite being a hero at the club and despite Augsburg not being a very big club either.
 
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Hang on, can everyone in the Kicker redcafe-league see my real name? That'd be a bit distressing...

Anyway, how did you guys fare on the first matchday?
 

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I think I'm third or something. Müller, lewandowski and stindl delivered as expected, unfortunately hazard came on too late to get a grade and passlack apparently didn't really impress the kicker guy.

Such a shame that I couldn't buy bartra I think he'll be really good value with his passing and Dortmund's dominant football.



A lot of people seem to have gone for Dortmund midfielders I'm not so sure about that, since I expect Tuchel to rotate a ton in the weeks to come.
And yes I believe people can see each others "real' name.
 

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Oh well, hopefully nobody noticed before I changed it...
 

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Hang on, can everyone in the Kicker redcafe-league see my real name? That'd be a bit distressing...

Anyway, how did you guys fare on the first matchday?
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