Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

[Nick 0208 Ldn]

One thing im finding annoying with this coverage is the repeated line by Sky and the BBC that Corbyn only speaks to a group already won over. He's swelled the membership and brought new people in, got them to engage. This was celebrated under Milliband

But from where is the increase in membership coming from? Have Corbyn's policies been tempting away those people who will determine the fate of constituencies? If he's just piling on in safe areas the practical benefits won't reflect the crowds at his rallies.

It is not only a case of meeting the PLP halfway, but also making some compromises on his own part when forming policy. Most importantly of all, they must be properly costed.

 

[Frosty]

Well, this is unfortunately where I have to get off. Good luck all.

That is a shame. I am staying, and will continue to make the arguments that I have for the last year.

Congratulations to Corbyn and his supporters. I hope you will forgive me if I reserve judgment for the time being.

 

[Smores]

But from where is the increase in membership coming from? Have Corbyn's policies been tempting away those people who will determine the fate of constituencies? If he's just piling on in safe areas the practical benefits won't reflect the crowds at his rallies.

It is not only a case of meeting the PLP halfway, but also making some compromises on his own part when forming policy.

Dont get me wrong he also needs wider appeal and thats a seperate issue but the line that the numbers of new active members and increased participation at rallies is somehow a negative is blatantly just an attack where others would be praised for it.

These people are Labour voters with some disenfranchised non voters thrown in they're not going to add their own votes but they may help gain others whilst campaiging.

 

[Ubik]

That is a shame. I am staying, and will continue to make the arguments that I have for the last year.

Congratulations to Corbyn and his supporters. I hope you will forgive me if I reserve judgment for the time being.

I have no doubt you'll do an infinitely better job of it than I have

I should've said congrats to Corbyn as well earlier, a commanding win in tough circumstances and his supporters are clearly as enthused as ever.

 

[Cheesy]

If we're being brutally honest, I think the moderates have to take the blame for the whole failed coup. In the end they presented an absolute dud of a candidate and did nothing but divide and split the party.

If they don't intend to split off and form their own new one, then they absolutely all need to get behind Corbyn and work alongside him in challenging the Tories. I think there's been a lot of damage done that can't be reserved, but plenty haven't said too much and can now still back him whilst coming across as genuine.

I'm not sure if Corbyn's very electable, primarily due to the IRA stuff and people like McDonnell being next to him, but the party have to now work to make him as electable as he possibly can be. Rebelling against him hasn't helped that electability at all, nor has the constant sniping since he stepped into office. Time for them all to come together.

 

[Kaos]

Fantastic news.

Now hopefully the PLP respect his mandate and get behind him, or get deselected and let others more willing to actually do their jobs.

 

[Dobba]

Hats off to John McTernan for backing yet another monumental loser. Will do nothing to his chances of getting on the box as a political expert, mind.

 

[Untied]

Hats off to John McTernan for backing yet another monumental loser. Will do nothing to his chances of getting on the box as a political expert, mind.

No doubt lecturing about winning elections

 

[Untied]

Well, this is unfortunately where I have to get off. Good luck all.

Corbyn was miles ahead of Smith among voters who didn't vote Labour in 2015 according to the YouGov exit poll. Thoughts?

Edit: Presumably that they are overwhelmingly Green voters?

 

[Ubik]

Corbyn was miles ahead of Smith among voters who didn't vote Labour in 2015 according to the YouGov exit poll. Thoughts?

Edit: Presumably that they are overwhelmingly Green voters?

From memory of past polls they've done of Labour members yeah the bulk is former Greens with a smattering of Lib Dems.

Here we go, this is from just after the previous leadership election (unfortunately the more recent ones just have "Labour/Not Labour") with the breakdown of 2015 vote, the big membership increase post-September was presumed to be £3ers signing up so I'd imagine many of the ex-Greens were among them - https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.n...nt/h4c7aqabu7/LabourSelectorate_TopLine_W.pdf

Also should give a tip of the hat to YouGov for their August poll of the race, which got it bang on 62-38.

 

[Untied]

From memory of past polls they've done of Labour members yeah the bulk is former Greens with a smattering of Lib Dems.

Here we go, this is from just after the previous leadership election (unfortunately the more recent ones just have "Labour/Not Labour") with the breakdown of 2015 vote, the big membership increase post-September was presumed to be £3ers signing up so I'd imagine many of the ex-Greens were among them - https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.n...nt/h4c7aqabu7/LabourSelectorate_TopLine_W.pdf

Also should give a tip of the hat to YouGov for their August poll of the race, which got it bang on 62-38.

As a Smith supporter how annoyed are you with his campaign? As I saw pointed out on Twitter, he won more votes than Ed did. So at the end of the day you really have to credit Corbyn's success at growing the electorate, even if you think it is taking the party down the wrong path.

Plus I still haven't forgotten that you said Corbyn was closest to you politically, which I'm sure you'd take back if you could

 

[Ubik]

As a Smith supporter how annoyed are you with his campaign? As I saw pointed out on Twitter, he won more votes than Ed did. So at the end of the day you really have to credit Corbyn's success at growing the electorate, even if you think it is taking the party down the wrong path.

Smith voter! There's a difference It was a bad campaign but I'm not sure it was a contest that could've been won really, unless you went on a mass-recruitment drive that took membership into the millions, which I'm not sure is logistically doable. I think the figures are something like 60-40 to Smith of pre-2015 GE members and near 80-20 to Corbyn among those since, so of course you can only really congratulate on managing to transform the party so fully in such a short amount of time. He's bomb-proof until an election now, particularly given that the members who joined since January will now be able to vote.

Plus I still haven't forgotten that you said Corbyn was closest to you politically, which I'm sure you'd take back if you could

Will hang over me for the rest of my days.

 

[Untied]

Smith voter! There's a difference It was a bad campaign but I'm not sure it was a contest that could've been won really, unless you went on a mass-recruitment drive that took membership into the millions, which I'm not sure is logistically doable. I think the figures are something like 60-40 to Smith of pre-2015 GE members and near 80-20 to Corbyn among those since, so of course you can only really congratulate on managing to transform the party so fully in such a short amount of time. He's bomb-proof until an election now, particularly given that the members who joined since January will now be able to vote.


Will hang over me for the rest of my days.

I'm not sure how the campaign reflects on Lisa Nandy (strategic campaign direction), who we'd all like to think is a good prospect for the future. Probably not worth dwelling on it too much. Was always an uphill battle for them and they can cling to the appeal to pre-2015 members.

Hopefully the entire PLP realises this and decides to get on with fighting for the left until the next election

My other two wishes:

That Corbyn MK2 is better at his job

That we use the time between now and the next election to build the profile of some future leadership candidates (Jarvis, Lewis, I'd throw Nandy in there but I can't imagine she'll want to come straight back to the front bench after co-chairing Smith's campaign)

 

[Sweet Square]

I'm not sure how the campaign reflects on Lisa Nandy (strategic campaign direction), who we'd all like to think is a good prospect for the future. Probably not worth dwelling on it too much. Was always an uphill battle for them and they can cling to the appeal to pre-2015 members

Badly I image.

Your right that it was always going to be a uphill battle but Smith campaign was just a terrible campaign overall.

 

[Dobba]

No doubt lecturing about winning elections

He does know a lot about that to be fair. Step 1 is to ensure he backs your opponent.

I think that is six in a row now, Angelos Epithemiou Snr is an election losing dynasty.

 

[Stanley Road]

Well done mr Corbyn, I think there should be another leadership challenge as he's on a hatrick

 

[Cheesy]

Well done mr Corbyn, I think there should be another leadership challenge as he's on a hatrick

Doing a decent job at cutting in from the left-wing so he is...

 

[berbatrick]

Doing a decent job at cutting in from the left-wing so he is...

Nah, more old-fashioned: he hugs that touchline

 

[OohAahMartial]

Guy needs to do a Cersei Lannister.

 

[sun_tzu]

Doing a decent job at cutting in from the left-wing so he is...

Reminds me of depay
His highlights from a lower level looked impressive but seems out of his depth at a higher level.
When he sticks out left his crosses can't connect with those in the centre and when he comes inside his efforts invariably end up in row z.
At best should be an impact sub from the bench

 

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I love the idea of people joining the Lib Dems because Corbyn has made Labour unelectable

 

[Stanley Road]

So lets say you're a labour voter, would you seriously consider voting tory perhaps cos you don't like corbyn?

That's like being a united fan but getting a season ticket for city cos they're better and you don't like mourinho.

 

[devilish]

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I love the idea of people joining the Lib Dems because Corbyn has made Labour unelectable

I'm voting for lib dem too. I'm not cool voting for commies or capitalists/xenophobic people

 

[Classical Mechanic]

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I love the idea of people joining the Lib Dems because Corbyn has made Labour unelectable

I would imagine that they are centrists that are not fond of his politics.

 

[Untied]

I would imagine that they are centrists that are not fond of his politics.

And Owen Smith's policy platform was different?

I guess they could just be very pro-Trident voters.

 

[Untied]

I'm voting for lib dem too. I'm not cool voting for commies or capitalists/xenophobic people

Might as well just vote Conservative then given the Lib Dems have shown themselves willing to prop up a Conservative government

 

[DenisIrwin]

There are tweets saying Labour had 15,000 new members sign up in the hours after Corbyn's victory yesterday. It's only twitter though.

 

[711]

Lib Dem for me too, at the moment. Corbyn's lot have made it quite clear how much they despise the rest of Labour, although I would like the choice of a new centre-left party as well.
In a strange way that might suit lefties anyway. Given that they seem to have no interest in retaining so-called 'red tory/tory light' votes, never mind attracting the current centre or right voters needed to actually win a general election, their only chance of even a share of power might be some sort of coalition in a hung parliament.

 

[sun_tzu]

So lets say you're a labour voter, would you seriously consider voting tory perhaps cos you don't like corbyn?

That's like being a united fan but getting a season ticket for city cos they're better and you don't like mourinho.

I'll probably vote lib as they are the main challengers in my constituency... Is there many where labour and conservatives share the top two positions?
I doubt that there is many where it is such a stark choice between the two

 

[devilish]

Might as well just vote Conservative then given the Lib Dems have shown themselves willing to prop up a Conservative government

As said I can't vote for neither commies nor xenophobic aholes

 

[Zarlak]

As said I can't vote for neither commies nor xenophobic aholes

But his point is that you vote for the people happy to side with them.

 

[devilish]

But his point is that you vote for the people happy to side with them.

Ultimately there's not much to choose either. Hopefully the new lib dem would be less of a doormat to the rule Brittania then cleggs one was

 

[Dobba]

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I love the idea of people joining the Lib Dems because Corbyn has made Labour unelectable

What a bunch of entryists.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

I might vote for Corbyn depending on UKIP's chance of getting an MP elected in my constituency, though that seems unlikely at the moment.

I will consider the Lib Dems, however.

 

[711]

But his point is that you vote for the people happy to side with them.

That's how any parliament works when there's no absolute majority though, isn't it?

What would a Corbyn party do if the next parliament were hung, just proudly stand aside, and settle for another five years in opposition?

 

[Stanley Road]

I'll probably vote lib as they are the main challengers in my constituency... Is there many where labour and conservatives share the top two positions?
I doubt that there is many where it is such a stark choice between the two

I am a labour voter so why would i vote anyone else.?

Like Marching, hes a tory voter and voted for them despite the fact cameron led them out the eu, you have to admire that commitment?

 

[Classical Mechanic]

I am a labour voter so why would i vote anyone else.?

Like Marching, hes a tory voter and voted for them despite the fact cameron led them out the eu, you have to admire that commitment?

Personally I see no value whatsoever in that kind of commitment. Why vote for a party that no longer represents you?

 

[Stanley Road]

Personally I see no value whatsoever in that kind of commitment. Why vote for a party that no longer represents you?

Well they have the closest match to my views than any other party have ever had. Only im even more left then Corbyn himself, almost horizontal.

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

I'm reserving judgement on Labour for a while. Left and centre need to get their acts together.

 

[Cheesy]

Scottish Labour now fallen to 16% in the latest poll.