Nope, just curious as to the whether Bale is considered more successful for the national team, especially in the eyes of the Welsh.is this another disguised effort to put down Giggs?
yes, the Copa America... 6 types of Spain and 7 types of PortugalI love how you guys make fiun of copa america, but Euros had like 4 types of england in the knockout stages
When did anybody ever make fun of Copa America?I love how you guys make fiun of copa america, but Euros had like 4 types of england in the knockout stages
I'm English and prefer the Copa to the Euros. Anyway, I'm not sure what this has to do with Bale vs Giggsy?I love how you guys make fiun of copa america, but Euros had like 4 types of england in the knockout stages
I'm south American and most, if not all, English/Europeans I know praise the Copa America.I love how you guys make fiun of copa america, but Euros had like 4 types of england in the knockout stages
Post #7yes, the Copa America... 6 types of Spain and 7 types of Portugal
Ive never been that good at maths but I understand this perfectly.Post #7
Por = 7 and Spa = 6
Por - Spa = 1
7-1 confirmed.
Wales still only have Bale, Ramsey, Allen and Williams who can be considered good players individually. It's not far from when Wales had Giggs, Speed, Bellamy and Hartson when they made the playoffs for Euro 2004.Yes but Bale has a lot better Welsh players around him than Giggs did.
EURO 1996?Bale is more successful than every British international player since perhaps the 1960s. Bringing Wales to the semi final of the euros outshines even England's best performance since 66. Why compare him to just Giggs?
England at home vs. Wales at neutral venue.EURO 1996?
Otherwise I agree of course.
Surely Italia 90 would surpass that?EURO 1996?
Otherwise I agree of course.
then Italy 1990.England at home vs. Wales at neutral venue.
Indeed.Surely Italia 90 would surpass that?
It's still a big country like England against a small country like Wales. The fact that it's considered an achievement for England to reach a semi final at a major tournament says a lot about England.then Italy 1990.
Indeed.
Post #7
Por = 7 and Spa = 6
Por - Spa = 1
7-1 confirmed.
As a Welshman it's no contest - Bale has been unbelievable for us and Giggs never seemed arsed.
I'd still put John Charles as our greatest though.
The bolded tilts it in Bale's favour considerably for me.Absolutely. Big difference is also the attitude, Giggs was never even so committed to the National side. Bale carried us through the last qualifying campaign and then performed on the big stage.
England are notorious under performers on the biggest stage. You also have the Czech's after the break up in the 90's reaching final and a SF in the EURO's having population as much as London, although in this case there's a rich football history to back it up.It's still a big country like England against a small country like Wales. The fact that it's considered an achievement for England to reach a semi final at a major tournament says a lot about England.
World Cup 1990? a semi final at a world cup trumps a Euro semi final.EURO 1996?
Otherwise I agree of course.
I think the standing John Charles has with Juventus fans will take some beating. But Bale's still a young lad and, if he continues racking up the big trophies, then he may well take the top spot.Yes, and further, the question should be asked "is Gareth Bale the most successful British export (footballer)?"