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When you have enough financial backing behind you it is easier to put yourself forward as a candidate.
There are plenty of intelligent people in politics, but who is the money behind? Clinton has a lot of finance behind her and has for years, Trump obviously has money too.
Running a political campaign in America is always about how much money is behind you
Wasn't Trump outspent by most other republicans and Hillary though? In some ways this election did show that the money spent on a campaign isn't as important as everyone thought...
 
When you have enough financial backing behind you it is easier to put yourself forward as a candidate.
There are plenty of intelligent people in politics, but who is the money behind? Clinton has a lot of finance behind her and has for years, Trump obviously has money too.
Running a political campaign in America is always about how much money is behind you

Yeah, you are right. I kind of used my french vision here, I remember some pretty interesting people say that they weren't interested in politics because it was more about self interest than a public function and that even if they wanted to change that, they would be forced to fight in the mud with the professional politicians.
 
It's less "you don't agree with me" when the candidate himself is an actual racist who's admitted to groping women though, isn't it?

I don't even necessarily disagree with the assessment that the left can whip themselves into hysteria at times and that they often focus on unimportant, trivial issues and can't hand opposing opinions, but the idea that they're telling you you're sexist or racist for disagreeing with them kind of goes out the window if you vote for a candidate who is, err...a sexist and racist.
even so, basing your campaign on trying to smear the opposition and their supporters instead of focusing on your strengths was a bad move on hillary's part, especially when you're unpopular and generally untrusted yourself. I even said this (or something similar I believe) back in september when the "basket of deplorable" comment came out from hillary, and now that kind of hubris is shown to be their undoing.

however racist/sexist he might be, and however shallow his policies might be, you have to admit trump at least tried to focus on what he will try to do for the country and respected hillary supporters.

the portion of leftists who were in their own bubble naively beliving the polls are of course shocked, but this really isn't as surprising as they make it out to be when you start to consider that populism is on the rise elsewhere in the world (e.g. brexit, AfD)
 
Not so sure about that, Trump has a lot of baggage. It may not be political baggage sure, but that's only because he's not a politician and Clinton is. (was)



If anything it was used to highlight the disparities in treatment between Trump and Hillary.

I didn't beat her with it. It was always going to come up, Obama had to convince people for years that he wasn't born in Kenya, and even with evidence some still don't believe him.

I am saying that was wrong too.

But this isnt right either. It shouldnt be something we just accept.
 
Wasn't Trump outspent by most other republicans and Hillary though? In some ways this election did show that the money spent on a campaign isn't as important as everyone thought...

Yes but Trump offered the anti establishment vote for the republicans.
I wasn't saying that money won the election, I was simply pointing out how money obstructs other better/intelligent politicians running effective campaigns.
 
My hypothesis was predicated on delays in capital spend projects, as well as consumer spend. He's such an unorthodox candidate that there must be a wait-and-see period, unless there's more assertive statements on the several economic issues, and a credible name indicated as SecTres. Otherwise as a management team of a large consumer-facing company, why would you initiate any spend initiatives here in 4Q?

Maybe there's a delay but we get clarity by mid-end of 1Q17 or 2Q17. But you know how this works... by then you already have a slowdown in wages, in spending, and it starts to feed forward. But, like your answer to someone on modelling, this is just a scenario with its associated probability.

Could be, the idea is backed up in some papers I've read I think. At least regarding durable consumption goods. Will be very interesting to see how expectations form this quarter for sure.
 
I agree. At best he would win the states she won, minus Virginia. Nothing more.

Maybe he may have lost, but I think Bernie would have got more DNC voters out than Hilary did.
 
You have a little population and a lot of petrol, so don't use Norway as an example. And the people who voted for Trump are if I'm not mistaken for a large part huge patriots who are proud of the power of the US Army, go tell them that you are cutting the US Army budget in half to send Afro Americans and Latinos to college.

It's the same in Sweden and Denmark as well and they don't have a big petroleum industry, so it's not like it's impossible. The very fact that so many basically universal human needs has been monetized in the US is the root of so many of their problems

If you don't have resources then the glass ceiling is very much real and it both hinders social mobility and it reinforces already unhealthy demographic tendencies. No one knows what kind of president he is going to be yet (because his campaign was all rhetoric and no substance) but if the campaign is anything to go by it's only going to get worse for the "have nots"
 
But its not right.

that is my main point.

Especially if the left leaning Democrats were to resort to such far right tactics.

I agree that it isn't morally right. I do feel the Democrats have to smarten up their game though... and being the boy your mother in law would love just doesn't cut it anymore.
 
The are those who think that (depending on your party affiliation relative to the party affiliation of the President) the first year or two the President has inherited the economy from his predecessor. Especially at least the first year of his presidency.

This time it will be interesting to see what the markets and people do. Not just the immediate market reaction in the next few days, but over the next month and more. For people, I am really going to look at how the Holiday shopping season plays out. If people cut back, it will be a huge indicator that they are uncertain about the economy.
 
I bet the media enjoyed the extra clicks and viewer-numbers everytime they spent attention on Trump.
 
As a Bernie supporter, I can't tell you how frustrating it is to have predicted the results of last night over a year ago.

My reward for raising the alarm? Smeared as a sexist, called a 'Bernie Bro', and told I was living in a fantasy....

Bernie would have won this election...I was in his corner. Donald Trump would have the nuclear codes. Let that sink in for a bit.
 
It's the same in Sweden and Denmark as well and they don't have a big petroleum industry, so it's not like it's impossible. The very fact that so many basically universal human needs has been monetized in the US is the root of so many of their problems

If you don't have resources then the glass ceiling is very much real and it both hinders social mobility and it reinforces already unhealthy demographic tendencies. No one knows what kind of president he is going to be yet (because his campaign was all rhetoric and no substance) but if the campaign is anything to go by it's only going to get worse for the "have nots"

And it's the same in France but we made concessions that the Americans don't want to make like iirc not representing half of the global military budget and in our countries socialism isn't an insult. Swansonstache asked for something that isn't american.

And like I said earlier education is a business in the US.
 
It's the same in Sweden and Denmark as well and they don't have a big petroleum industry, so it's not like it's impossible. The very fact that so many basically universal human needs has been monetized in the US is the root of so many of their problems

If you don't have resources then the glass ceiling is very much real and it both hinders social mobility and it reinforces already unhealthy demographic tendencies. No one knows what kind of president he is going to be yet (because his campaign was all rhetoric and no substance) but if the campaign is anything to go by it's only going to get worse for the "have nots"
Ok, and we also have absurd taxes? The U.S. don't want those tax levels (as this vote clearly showed) so I don't understand the issue here. Also, Swedish education has gone down the drain lately.
 
Spot on, baz. It's understandable because the alternative is so depressing but America now have a sociopathic idiot in charge of their country. Since when does giving more power to a person like this make them less dangerous?
It's just that Americans need to somehow focus on the positives.

There's no hiding from the fact here that they've just gone ahead and elected a vile pieces of shit who stands for all the wrong values, as the leader of their nation.

I'm interested in understanding how women can vote for this moron?
 
Ok, and we also have absurd taxes? The U.S. don't want those tax levels (as this vote clearly showed) so I don't understand the issue here. Also, Swedish education has gone down the drain lately.

We, in Belgium, also have absurd taxes. About 50% of our salary in fact. Few people complain about this. Education, healthcare ... are all practically free. Wouldn't want it any other way.
 
I agree that it isn't morally right. I do feel the Democrats have to smarten up their game though... and being the boy your mother in law would love just doesn't cut it anymore.
Fair point.

Thats politics for you nowadays. But they would just come off as hypocritical especially when their main strategy against Trump was that he was a sexist.
 
We, in Belgium, also have absurd taxes. About 50% of our salary in fact. Few people complain about this. Education, healthcare ... are all practically free. Wouldn't want it any other way.
That's great for you. Americans don't want it that way, and I do not understand why people on here are telling them how to live their lives.
 
That's great for you. Americans don't want it that way, and I do not understand why people on here are telling them how to live their lives.

It's as simple as that, that's why I said that Norway wasn't a good example because in theory their population combined to their resources allow them to not make concessions while americans will have to make concessions and they didn't build their society around them unlike most european countries.
 
That's great for you. Americans don't want it that way, and I do not understand why people on here are telling them how to live their lives.

Ironic for a country that has spent much of the last century trying to tell other countries how to do exactly that.

Maybe America is a mess because they don't have a damn clue what is best for them?
 
It's as simple as that, that's why I said that Norway wasn't a good example because in theory their population combined to their resources allow them to not make concessions while americans will have to make concessions and they didn't build their society around them unlike most european countries.
Spot on. Bernie could have changed their culture, but not even his own party believed in his ability to do so.
 
It's as simple as that, that's why I said that Norway wasn't a good example because in theory their population combined to their resources allow them to not make concessions while americans will have to make concessions and they didn't build their society around them unlike most european countries.
Spot on. Bernie could have changed their culture, but not even his own party believed in his ability to do so.
 
And it's the same in France but we made concessions that the Americans don't want to make like iirc not representing half of the global military budget and in our countries socialism isn't an insult. Swansonstache asked for something that isn't american.
And like I said earlier education is a business in the US.

I don't disagree. Just pointing out that quality state funded education IS possible for anyone willing to put money into it. To bad for the US they aren't

Ok, and we also have absurd taxes? The U.S. don't want those tax levels (as this vote clearly showed) so I don't understand the issue here. Also, Swedish education has gone down the drain lately.

I live in Norway, and while the tax rate indeed is high, it's not absurd when you consider what you get in return. It's this pathological fear of taxes that is the root of their misfortunes in the first place. They are trillions of dollars in debt, their trade deficit continues to increase, pretty much any public good is shit and still they don't want any taxes

Now the obvious solution would be to finally tax the very richest (who pay virtually nothing) but seeing how rotten the system is and i highly doubt Mr Donald would impose any tax increase on his pals at Wall Street
 
That's great for you. Americans don't want it that way, and I do not understand why people on here are telling them how to live their lives.

I'm not telling them how to live their lives. Millions of Americans don't have access to healthcare. It should be a basic right, not something someone else can decide for you.
 
I'm curious to see how he handles foreign policy. He comes across as quite isolationist and even appears to admire Putin, which I'll take as a diplomatic positive (beats Hillary's feckin awful idea of the no fly zone in Syria).

But on the other hand, Newt Gingrich as secretary of state :wenger:
 
Except betting on the outcome, you should be putting money on everything going wrong, that's the only option you have. Had 70 bucks on two websites on Trump with 5:1 and 5,5:1. It was obviously going to be very close at the very least, so I figured those were great odds. Just woke up after a couple of hours of sleep, before I dozed in it was clear he could really win it. Just look at the stae of the whole world right now and tell me we're not fecked/
Nicely done. I put a bet on 5 days ago so my odds weren't that great. With Brexit and now this I'm 2 for 2 on bets for the year (don't bet much and when I do I tend to lose so this is... different for me). Now to bet on Liverpool for the title and hope my streak ends.
 
Let’s look at the bright side of life: Krugmann is fuming. Negatives: Trump might push for policies that Krugmann loves. Positives: Krugmann will continue to sulk, because of partisanship.
 
Fair point.

Thats politics for you nowadays. But they would just come off as hypocritical especially when their main strategy against Trump was that he was a sexist.

Yeah, the people running her campaign should take a break from politics, and in most cases, never show up again. The attack on Trump should have been that he's the establishment, and it should have been a mute point behind the things she actually rallied for (College cost, path to legalisation, criminal justice reform etc.). She also should have developed some sort of topic that the midwestern middle/lower class could identify with and vote her for, instead she brought along John Bon Jovi and Lebron. I was talking to a friend last night who's from Akron (LeBrons birthplace just outside of Cleveland), he said people absolutely love LeBron... but they're voting Trump...

Ah well, hindsight is a beautiful thing and all, yet she and her team ought to hang their heads in shame. (I'll be the first to admit that I wasn't outside the "Hillary bubble" either... so I can understand how they failed to see this to a certain point)
 
Lessons:

Clintons can no longer consider that they have a divine right to be in office.
Money literally is power.
Americans have done something very very stupid.
 
Ironic for a country that has spent much of the last century trying to tell other countries how to do exactly that.

Maybe America is a mess because they don't have a damn clue what is best for them?
A mess? Us Swedes are way over our heads in how we observe the outside world. What isn't like us = bad.
 
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