Yaya toure... prick... (drink driving)

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If all of your friends have driven while drunk (even after one of them was arrested for intoxicated manslaughter) then you have particularly stupid friends. Which while unfortunate for you doesn't change the inherent selfishness or cuntishness of drunk driving.

If drunk drivers have an issue with being called selfish pricks then they should stop acting like selfish pricks. Also, given that an average drunk driver has driven drunk over 80 times before their first arrest, they can't really whine about being judged on one incident. Being an idiot is habit-forming.
For stupid friends I sure do have a lot with MDs, JDs, MBAs and PhDs.

Also, not all my friends know each other so I don't know why you're erroneously assuming that all have driven dunk after my friend went to jail. Or do you only socialize with one group of people?

Look. If you get off your high horse this isn't that hard. Drunk driving is wrong. It's bad and can have awful consequences. But all the moral high ground feckers in here are acting as if every drunk driver ever was smashed, coulda barely walk and said feck it i'm getting my car home. People misjudge or just simply make bad decisions. Sure, some are selfish pricks that don't care about others, but not every one that makes that wrong call is a bad person.

The vast majority of adults who drink socially have made the bad call to drive drunk at least once.
 

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Must have been a bloody strong overproof Jamaican halal rum cake to send him over the limit.
 

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What are you not sure about? You thought drink driving was OK? You thought risking lives was cool?
I wouldn't make such a overgeneralizing statement. Depends on how much you drink. Everyone is "risking lives" as soon as he gets into a car. When you are used to alcohol only a little, you still have better reactions with 1.0 permille, then the average 65year old. When you are an alcoholic, the same is true for 3 permille. I grew up in the countryside, and literally everyone drove home drunk from pubs/partys. There weren't any more accidents, then in day time (well, less).
This "drink driving" producing masses of death is a myth.
Drink driving (over 0.5) is not the same as driving completely wasted
 

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For stupid friends I sure do have a lot with MDs, JDs, MBAs and PhDs.

Also, not all my friends know each other so I don't know why you're erroneously assuming that all have driven dunk after my friend went to jail. Or do you only socialize with one group of people?

Look. If you get off your high horse this isn't that hard. Drunk driving is wrong. It's bad and can have awful consequences. But all the moral high ground feckers in here are acting as if every drunk driver ever was smashed, coulda barely walk and said feck it i'm getting my car home. People misjudge or just simply make bad decisions. Sure, some are selfish pricks that don't care about others, but not every one that makes that wrong call is a bad person.

The vast majority of adults who drink socially have made the bad call to drive drunk at least once.
I had no intention of posting in this thread until reading your comments.

Honestly, you're an idiot. It's incredibly easy to not drive after you've had a drink. I know people that have driven drunk or driven possibly drunk and wouldn't dream of defending them. We're not on a high horse - you're in the gutter.
 

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I think it was originally "drinking and driving" and it's become shortened over time.
That's plausible. But that implies they're drinking while driving, otherwise it would be "drinking then driving." Okay, maybe I'm overthinking this now. ;)
 

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I had no intention of posting in this thread until reading your comments.

Honestly, you're an idiot. It's incredibly easy to not drive after you've had a drink. I know people that have driven drunk or driven possibly drunk and wouldn't dream of defending them. We're not on a high horse - you're in the gutter.
Absolutely agree with you. We all are/know clever people that have drunk driven. There's no excusing it, even if they're your friends.
 

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We all are/know clever people that have drunk driven. There's no excusing it, even if they're your friends.
There is also no excuse buying cheap clothes...threatens lifes of Bangladeshi kids...
There is also no excuse eating food from Africa...leads to people starving over there...
Same goes for a lot of metals, minerals, and last but not least oil.
Could go on with this list for ages.
(Almost) every human in the so called first world hurts and kills people from the third world (indirectly).
This moral highhorsing and selective moral in our countries is quite ridiculous. Most people only see what's in front of their eyes. But i guess this goes quite OT. I for one say drink driving is better then regularly buying cheap clothes, from a moral standpoint.
 

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I had no intention of posting in this thread until reading your comments.

Honestly, you're an idiot. It's incredibly easy to not drive after you've had a drink. I know people that have driven drunk or driven possibly drunk and wouldn't dream of defending them. We're not on a high horse - you're in the gutter.
Especially today when you can literally call a car to wherever you're standing with Uber/Lyft.
 

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Feck me the caf defending drink driving. And it's 'drink driving' because you don't need to be drunk to be impaired and a danger to other people on the road.

I think you're a prick if you drink drive, you fecking jimmy saville prick wankers and hope you drive off a cliff before encountering anyone on the road. I'm Jesus also.
 

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I wouldn't make such a overgeneralizing statement. Depends on how much you drink. Everyone is "risking lives" as soon as he gets into a car. When you are used to alcohol only a little, you still have better reactions with 1.0 permille, then the average 65year old. When you are an alcoholic, the same is true for 3 permille. I grew up in the countryside, and literally everyone drove home drunk from pubs/partys. There weren't any more accidents, then in day time (well, less).
This "drink driving" producing masses of death is a myth.
Drink driving (over 0.5) is not the same as driving completely wasted
People driving while under the influence is something that is directly preventable by someone not making a selfish choice after going out for a few drinks. You might want to check the actual numbers of all collisions involving drunk drivers, and besides, even just one person deciding to drive after a few too many and traveling wrong way on the freeway and killing a family on their way home is one too many. And it's way more than just one.

So you can sit there and downplay it if you'd like, that's your choice after all. I'll tell you from firsthand experience though that it IS a serious problem, and it is a selfish choice. I agree they may be good people who have just made a mistake, but it doesn't mean they aren't absolute selfish pricks in that moment.
 

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I get the indignation over drunk driving. The odds that everyone in this thread drives without being tired, distracted or otherwise impaired at all, is extremely low. All those handicaps increase the odds of an accident. Glass houses and stones...
 

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For stupid friends I sure do have a lot with MDs, JDs, MBAs and PhDs.

Also, not all my friends know each other so I don't know why you're erroneously assuming that all have driven dunk after my friend went to jail. Or do you only socialize with one group of people?

Look. If you get off your high horse this isn't that hard. Drunk driving is wrong. It's bad and can have awful consequences. But all the moral high ground feckers in here are acting as if every drunk driver ever was smashed, coulda barely walk and said feck it i'm getting my car home. People misjudge or just simply make bad decisions. Sure, some are selfish pricks that don't care about others, but not every one that makes that wrong call is a bad person.

The vast majority of adults who drink socially have made the bad call to drive drunk at least once.
Having academic titles and qualifications doesn't mean you can't be a complete moron.

No one is getting on their high horse when they say how irresponsible and dangerous it is to drive after a few drinks, nevermind being drunk, and no one is stepping out of line by saying anyone that does so is a selfish prick, and anyone that has done so, was a selfish prick.

My reading of this is, despite your friend being locked up for killing someone due to what you're writing off as a simple "mistake", you still hop behind the wheel knowing full well that you're over the limit, and are trying desperately to justify it. You can call it a mistake or a misjudgment as much as you want, but at the end of the day, anyone who goes to a bar, club or restaurant, knowing that they have to drive home, in their sober and right-minded state, should be able to go, "you know what, I've got to drive home, I'll pass." If they decide to drink enough to put them over the limit, that's not a mistake or a misjudgment, that's sheer, selfish irresponsibility.

You can try and convince yourself that it was a mistake that put your friend behind bars for killing someone, but I imagine there's a great deal of fear that it could just as easily have been you in that situation, and rather than cutting it out, you keep doing it because, after all, some older people have slower reactions and we don't stop them from driving!

There is also no excuse buying cheap clothes...threatens lifes of Bangladeshi kids...
There is also no excuse eating food from Africa...leads to people starving over there...
Same goes for a lot of metals, minerals, and last but not least oil.
Could go on with this list for ages.
(Almost) every human in the so called first world hurts and kills people from the third world (indirectly).
This moral highhorsing and selective moral in our countries is quite ridiculous. Most people only see what's in front of their eyes. But i guess this goes quite OT. I for one say drink driving is better then regularly buying cheap clothes, from a moral standpoint.
This is one of the most bizarre posts I have ever read. Whilst I agree that there is a huge problem of wealthy, first-world countries exploiting resources and labour from less economically-developed parts of the world, it's a distinctly different and entirely separate issue to drink driving. Additionally, something being worse than something else doesn't mean the latter should be accepted and ignored.

We probably shouldn't ignore the fact that global politics is seemingly moving towards wildly extreme views, buzzwords, blatant lying and outright ignorance replacing actual discussion, policy, debate and facts, and comparatively it's probably worse than drink driving, but given that this is a thread about a footballer being caught driving whilst over the legal limit, it seems entirely logical and sensible that people are, you know, discussing drink driving.

Also, there are plenty of excuses to buy cheap clothes, sweatshop or not, and plenty of excuses to buy food and resources from likely exploitative sources. Poverty and exploitation aren't exclusive to poor parts of Africa and the Middle-East. But that's for another thread.
 

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I get the indignation over drunk driving. The odds that everyone in this thread drives without being tired, distracted or otherwise impaired at all, is extremely low.
The thing is, tiredness and illness, and other impairments are sometimes unavoidable. Getting behind the wheel after drinking too much or taking drugs is always avoidable.
 

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There is also no excuse buying cheap clothes...threatens lifes of Bangladeshi kids...
There is also no excuse eating food from Africa...leads to people starving over there...
Same goes for a lot of metals, minerals, and last but not least oil.
Could go on with this list for ages.
(Almost) every human in the so called first world hurts and kills people from the third world (indirectly).
This moral highhorsing and selective moral in our countries is quite ridiculous. Most people only see what's in front of their eyes. But i guess this goes quite OT. I for one say drink driving is better then regularly buying cheap clothes, from a moral standpoint.
Non sequitur.
 

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The thing is, tiredness and illness, and other impairments are sometimes unavoidable. Getting behind the wheel after drinking too much or taking drugs is always avoidable.
No that is a cop-out. Anything can be mitigated by leaving the car behind and paying for a taxi. But humans in general assess their current situation and decide the risk is small enough.
 

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There is also no excuse buying cheap clothes...threatens lifes of Bangladeshi kids...
There is also no excuse eating food from Africa...leads to people starving over there...
Same goes for a lot of metals, minerals, and last but not least oil.
Could go on with this list for ages.
(Almost) every human in the so called first world hurts and kills people from the third world (indirectly).
This moral highhorsing and selective moral in our countries is quite ridiculous. Most people only see what's in front of their eyes. But i guess this goes quite OT. I for one say drink driving is better then regularly buying cheap clothes, from a moral standpoint.
Lol what
 

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No that is a cop-out. Anything can be mitigated by leaving the car behind and paying for a taxi. But humans in general assess their current situation and decide the risk is small enough.
Surely you have to see and accept that, whilst not ideal, being tired (not exhausted) is very different to actively drinking enough to put you over the limit?
 

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You're an intellectual midget. I just said I have a best friend in prison for intox manslaughter. No one is downplaying anything. But judging people for bad mistakes as if they have malicious intent is asinine.

I love how you qualified that you're a selfish prick "at that moment". No one ever argued that. Calling someone a selfish prick (generally) is different and my opposition to such a general statement was the basis for my original post.
Oh so if I start blindly firing a machine gun into the air without any malicious intent it doesn't make me a horrible person?

About 1,000 people are killed each year in the UK bc of drink driving. That's 1,000 innocent moms, dads, children, brutally killed in a gruesome and horrific manner by some person who is "not malicious but just being human". This is not counting the thousands more who are injured, crippled, maimed, lose limbs, have permanent disabilities every single year.

Maybe they arent intentional killings and maimings. I dont give a damn what their intent is. Drinking and driving is wonton neglect, a complete disregard for the lives of others. It is despicable and utterly foolish to do that. Guarantee each and every single murderer who drinks and drives thinks they are "fine" and completely "in control". Science has shown how stupidly wrong they are.

(From someone who lost a relative to a drink driver - do I need to tell you about the crime scene where organs were splayed out and the things people were screaming you ignorant idiot?) oh but he didn't mean it? He only had 1 pint? How is such carelessness different from malice? If you care so little about other people that you will endganger them just to have a good time, how is that NOT a malicious and terrible act?

If it was up to me I would tie each drink driver to a road, take 20 shots of vodka and try to drive down the road and try to avoid him. Thats basically what youre doing when you drink and drive, prick.

P.s. I don't drink alcohol and nobody in my family has touched a drop since that day.
 

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For stupid friends I sure do have a lot with MDs, JDs, MBAs and PhDs.

Also, not all my friends know each other so I don't know why you're erroneously assuming that all have driven dunk after my friend went to jail. Or do you only socialize with one group of people?

Look. If you get off your high horse this isn't that hard. Drunk driving is wrong. It's bad and can have awful consequences. But all the moral high ground feckers in here are acting as if every drunk driver ever was smashed, coulda barely walk and said feck it i'm getting my car home. People misjudge or just simply make bad decisions. Sure, some are selfish pricks that don't care about others, but not every one that makes that wrong call is a bad person.

The vast majority of adults who drink socially have made the bad call to drive drunk at least once.
1. Seeing as you asked, I didn't, I was indirectly saying you were an idiot by criticising your friends. Figured it was more polite that way but hey-ho. The fact that you're complaining about drink drivers being called selfish pricks (and are apparently unaware that it isn't normal for all your friends to have drunk driven) shows a remarkable lack of perspective and awareness.

2. An average drunk driver in the US has drunk driven on over 80 previous occasions before their first arrest, with a third of those who are arrested being a repeat offender. These aren't one off bad decisions. If you repeatedly make selfish/prickish decisions then you can't really complain when people call you a selfish prick.
 

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No that is a cop-out. Anything can be mitigated by leaving the car behind and paying for a taxi. But humans in general assess their current situation and decide the risk is small enough.
You can indeed react to both tiredness and drunkenness by leaving the car and getting a taxi. However, you do not have 100% control over whether you get tired in the first place, whereas you do have 100% control over whether you drink alcohol.

Drunk drivers not only decide to place themselves in that situation, they literally pay for the privilege. They can decide not to drink, they can decide not to drive but instead they decide to risk other people's lives.
 

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This is one of the most bizarre posts I have ever read. Whilst I agree that there is a huge problem of wealthy, first-world countries exploiting resources and labour from less economically-developed parts of the world, it's a distinctly different and entirely separate issue to drink driving. Additionally, something being worse than something else doesn't mean the latter should be accepted and ignored.

We probably shouldn't ignore the fact that global politics is seemingly moving towards wildly extreme views, buzzwords, blatant lying and outright ignorance replacing actual discussion, policy, debate and facts, and comparatively it's probably worse than drink driving, but given that this is a thread about a footballer being caught driving whilst over the legal limit, it seems entirely logical and sensible that people are, you know, discussing drink driving.

Also, there are plenty of excuses to buy cheap clothes, sweatshop or not, and plenty of excuses to buy food and resources from likely exploitative sources. Poverty and exploitation aren't exclusive to poor parts of Africa and the Middle-East. But that's for another thread.
Didn't wanna downplay the issue about drink-driving. I was just pissed at the moral high horsing "how can you ever..." from a lot of people in here. I am sure the vast majority of people in this Forum regularly make "mistakes" just as bad as drink driving. Most probably don't even realize it, because of lacking education..at least when i look at a few reactions.
While there are plenty of excuses for the food and resources, there are as many excuses for drink driving btw.
You can always avoid this kind of actions..it just depends if you want to, or if it's just to convenient to do otherwise..

Alcohol level above legal limit..i'd rather wait how much, before judging..if it's something like 0,7 it's laughable to even discuss about it. It's more like 2,5, then the uproar is justified
 

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Despite what he did, Toure was a very good player who dominates the midfield for a few years. Like what Sherlock always said, drinking while driving deffo's an idiotic thing.

Do you lot thing that we can have a player with a similar role to Toure? Pogba?
 

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I wouldn't make such a overgeneralizing statement. Depends on how much you drink. Everyone is "risking lives" as soon as he gets into a car. When you are used to alcohol only a little, you still have better reactions with 1.0 permille, then the average 65year old. When you are an alcoholic, the same is true for 3 permille. I grew up in the countryside, and literally everyone drove home drunk from pubs/partys. There weren't any more accidents, then in day time (well, less).
This "drink driving" producing masses of death is a myth.
Drink driving (over 0.5) is not the same as driving completely wasted
I've never read a defence of drinking and driving before, that's quite astonishing. I also grew up at a time when people used to regularly drink and drive. It was completely wrong and over time, peoples' attitudes changed and it was no longer socially-acceptable. In addition, the police became more proactive about picking up drink-drivers.

If you can afford a night out, you can afford a taxi home.
 

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Drink drivers are definitely 'pricks'. Only a certain type of selfish and up-themselves person drink drives, from what I've experienced/seen. It's rarely a surprise when you hear who's driven drunk. It's usually the person who's already known as an immature, self-absorbed idiot.

I have some sympathy for alcoholics.
But drink drivers should never be allowed to drive again.
 
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How is this even a discussion? :lol:

Btw, isn't the limit in the UK quite high compared to other countries? Here, in Norway, it is 0.2%..
 

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It's really not hard, isn't it? Don't drink and drive or drink and don't drive.

He should've known better, now he has to pay the price, punishment could be severe and rightly so!
 

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Having a drink is a choice, driving after a drink is a choice, choosing to do the second after the first makes someone a selfish antisocial ball bag. No discussion needed, and anyone defending them is equally as dim.
 

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How is this even a discussion? :lol:

Btw, isn't the limit in the UK quite high compared to other countries? Here, in Norway, it is 0.2%..
Yes, and it's higher in England and Wales than in Scotland. I don't know how it translates, but it's 35mcg of alcohol per 100ml of breath/80mg alcohol per 100ml of blood. If the police stop you, they will breath-test you if they suspect at all that you've been drinking (you don't have to have had an accident).
 

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Yes, and it's higher in England and Wales than in Scotland. I don't know how it translates, but it's 35mcg of alcohol per 100ml of breath/80mg alcohol per 100ml of blood. If the police stop you, they will breath-test you if they suspect at all that you've been drinking (you don't have to have had an accident).
I just read it is 0.8%! In Norway that would mean a fine of 1,5 months wage, suspended from driving for a year and likely a short jail sentence.
 

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Fecking hell this thread is appalling.

"I'm sorry Mrs Moore but your 4 year old is dead. On the plus side dont hate the cnut who killed your entire world too much, at least they didn't buy any clothes from a sweatshop in Bangladesh."
 

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I just read it is 0.8%! In Norway that would mean a fine of 1,5 months wage, suspended from driving for a year and likely a short jail sentence.
What sentences do those amoral poor people get for buying cheap clothes? They're the real criminals here.