You would basically become Liverpool.
Rival Fans: Why are Utd so unpopular?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
If football was music and clubs represented genres, United would be pop. That's why.
Growing up in the 70's and 80's the daily trips to school when Newcastle and Liverpool fans would sing the Munich songs whenever football was a topic of conversation was a joy, Comming from Sir Bobby Charlton's home town you would expect better but no they don't like him much either.
It was much easier in the 90's 00's when we won everything.
It was much easier in the 90's 00's when we won everything.
Not our rivals
I went to college in Ashington in the 80's
This is such a simple question!!!
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Because for 26 years we have been beating them regularly.
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Because for 26 years we have been beating them regularly.
It's because of that Chelsea/Conte thread in the FF, isn't it?
Still don't consider them a traditional rival based on a period of time we were the top two sides.
Traditional rivals I think City, Liverpool, Leeds. That's really it for me.
Yup.
Having watched it as a "neutral" would call it a heated rivalry especially during the early to mid-2000's. I guess, your defn of traditional varies from mine.
Jealousy and success will play a part. Successful clubs also have sources of pride such as their style of play, willingness to give a young homegrown players a chance, giving managers time. Those are things things apply to United and at times it comes across like a superiority complex. When Bobby Charlton spoke about David Moyes's appointment, he preached the idea that "stability breeds success" (not a necessity for a successful club when you look at other clubs) and i read that as United looking down at others. A perceived superiority complex is something that'll rub opposition supporters up the wrong way. My club is like that too, so I can't be too critical there.
It's all i have ever known. There is little in the way of neutrals when it comes to United.
It's either rivalry or jealously. The rivals want to beat us to go up the table. The rest wasn't too take a giant win home.
Maybe that's the reason they dislike us because we do it the way a proper football club should do, building success and earn money and become the biggest club in England and one of the biggest supporting club in the world. Jealousy at its best and also they just can't replicate what we have done and continue to do.
With City, Chelsea, and the likes, they probably just couldn't care less about them.
Yes. And then they want to be relevant.
To be fair there are a feck load of glory supporting united fans.
A lot is to do with success.
A lot is to do with the fact so many glory hunters support United.
A lot is to do with the fact so many glory hunters support United.
Really don't get this analogy. What would Liverpool be? Or for that matter Aston Villa and the likes of City, Arsenal and Chelsea?
When someone beats you up so constantly and them you knock them out is a win.
Doesn't anyone want to knock out the big dog?
If I'm playing as Burnley on fifa who do I want to beat. United or Liverpool.
Then Madrid
Doesn't anyone want to knock out the big dog?
If I'm playing as Burnley on fifa who do I want to beat. United or Liverpool.
Then Madrid
1.You are the only club to come close to our success. We never want you to do well because you are a threat to us.
2. Your fans are the nastiest supporters I've ever encountered. I'm talking en masse here. Arrogant, entitled, obnoxious, deeply and viciously ugly and violent. You may have decent individuals, but whenever you come together you behave like twats.
3. Fergie. That sour, seething, rod-up-the-arse look on his face whenever you are losing. His bullying of referees, his pleasure in the downfall of others, his indignant childishness, surliness and autocratic intolerance to not getting his way. His sucking up to Blair. Your embracement of the corporate culture and emphasis on image. His irrational hatred and resentment of Liverpool, his treatment of Alan Hansen. The gamesmanship, the win-at-all-costs attitude.
4. Roy fecking Keane. Has there ever been a greater cnut to play football? The fecker should have been imprisoned for his assault on Alfe Inge Haaland.
5. Your tradition of stars over team ethic.
6. A kid I knew at school. They came from Manchester, his Dad a recovering alcoholic, his Mother looked like the Honey Monster. All of them rabid Man Utd fans. All of them were monsters, bullies, animal abusers, filthy scum. Thicker than the thickest pigshit. Neanderthals. Fascist sympathisers. This may have tainted my impression of the club.
7. Liverpool, by contrast. We will have within our ranks violent dickheads, racists, homophobes, wife beaters, but as a group I know of no better fans in the world. We have real passion for the club and our history, we support our players through bad times and good. We have a culture of humour and wit. We were battered in the 80's by Thatcher and the Tories but we fought back. We never gave up over Hillsborough. We have Socialist traditions.
2. Your fans are the nastiest supporters I've ever encountered. I'm talking en masse here. Arrogant, entitled, obnoxious, deeply and viciously ugly and violent. You may have decent individuals, but whenever you come together you behave like twats.
3. Fergie. That sour, seething, rod-up-the-arse look on his face whenever you are losing. His bullying of referees, his pleasure in the downfall of others, his indignant childishness, surliness and autocratic intolerance to not getting his way. His sucking up to Blair. Your embracement of the corporate culture and emphasis on image. His irrational hatred and resentment of Liverpool, his treatment of Alan Hansen. The gamesmanship, the win-at-all-costs attitude.
4. Roy fecking Keane. Has there ever been a greater cnut to play football? The fecker should have been imprisoned for his assault on Alfe Inge Haaland.
5. Your tradition of stars over team ethic.
6. A kid I knew at school. They came from Manchester, his Dad a recovering alcoholic, his Mother looked like the Honey Monster. All of them rabid Man Utd fans. All of them were monsters, bullies, animal abusers, filthy scum. Thicker than the thickest pigshit. Neanderthals. Fascist sympathisers. This may have tainted my impression of the club.
7. Liverpool, by contrast. We will have within our ranks violent dickheads, racists, homophobes, wife beaters, but as a group I know of no better fans in the world. We have real passion for the club and our history, we support our players through bad times and good. We have a culture of humour and wit. We were battered in the 80's by Thatcher and the Tories but we fought back. We never gave up over Hillsborough. We have Socialist traditions.
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That's it bud. I hate you like you hate me.
Well played. We're the same
Well I did ask....
Like i said, I am not looking to create a tit for tat thread of back and forth abuse or even really refute any of the points made
What is clear is that this kind of dislike is a genuine, deep rooted dislike from a supporter of our biggest rivals. Its definitely an interesting post but I can see why Liverpool fans dislike our fans and vice versa. I am intrigued to see whether non-geographical or clubs who haven't historically challenged us for trophies feel the same way
My best friends dad drove the Liverpool bus. They offered me shirts. All my mates supported them. They had the best players apart from Robson and Hughes.
For me personally, 100% this. I'm a little annoyed my thread is being used as an experiment to see how the Cafe would be without a newbie forum.
Realistically, this (especially the second part).
Can't say i agree with that analogy.
Bob Dylan would suit it more, surely?
Traditional but have the capacity to reinvent themselves according to the era.
Worldwide exposure and following with the continuity of success.
My 17yo son loves Bob Dylan just like i do and did when i wasn't much older than him.
His friend hates Dylan though and would rather listen to dance music.
Edit: rock music if it's genres you're referring to.
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A tiny shame your brilliant fanbase openly supported racism.
The whole list was exceedingly hilarious but this one took the cake. The stars over team ethic thing was golden, too. After openly worshipping Steven Gerrard for a decade even when he assaulted someone in a bar or continuing to support Suárez simply because he was good.
All football fans are basically partisan twats when it comes to their own team. Liverpool fans are somewhat worse at this than most, actually, because they've been starved for so long; when they have an actual half-decent player they go to any lengths to proclaim him god.
Easy to see why United are hated in the modern context. More interesting to read about why United were hated even Pre Fergie and also whether or not Liverpool were hated as much as us during the 80s.
Crikey, Yanks comparing United to the Dallas Cowboys 
Certainly no hatred on my part, there's an overall level of arrogance in English football that probably peaks with United owing to their greater success compared to rivals. Like any big club, United suffer from bandwagon fans - this is just the nature of winning, it attracts the casual fan and United has arguably the greatest marketing presence on the planet so they're more likely to have a larger proportion than other clubs
Certainly no hatred on my part, there's an overall level of arrogance in English football that probably peaks with United owing to their greater success compared to rivals. Like any big club, United suffer from bandwagon fans - this is just the nature of winning, it attracts the casual fan and United has arguably the greatest marketing presence on the planet so they're more likely to have a larger proportion than other clubs
It's good to have a laugh on a miserable sunday morning. Thank you.
I have moved around England quite a bit. Spent a lot of time in the midlands. Few months down south a few summers ago.
I fecking hate most United fans. They'd be unbearable if I supported anyone else.
I went to sixth form in Stoke. Just as they'd gotten into the Prem. I remember I used to give the lads stick, they'd give me stick. But at the end of the day they'd go every fortnight to the Britannia to watch their club and I'd get tickets to Old Trafford about fifteen times a season.
You'd then have a few lads who would just mercilessly rip into the Stoke fans. Saying they played rugby or that they were going down. But these lads had been to Old trafford three or four times. At most. They had chosen United because of Beckham or trophies or some nonsense. They had basically decided they were going to be winners and insult those beneath them who has a relationship with their fathers or their local club.
That's why United fans are hated. Football is a communal bonding experience between families and communities and not about "banter" and rubbing your superiority into other people's faces.
You'd then have a few lads who would just mercilessly rip into the Stoke fans. Saying they played rugby or that they were going down. But these lads had been to Old trafford three or four times. At most. They had chosen United because of Beckham or trophies or some nonsense. They had basically decided they were going to be winners and insult those beneath them who has a relationship with their fathers or their local club.
That's why United fans are hated. Football is a communal bonding experience between families and communities and not about "banter" and rubbing your superiority into other people's faces.
I agree with this, and it's especially true in my work place. I'd say Liverpool are the most supported, followed closely by United/Arsenal but outside of the banter you can generally have a decent football conversation with fans of any team - barring most of the United 'fans'. They're generally the type of people that don't watch games, will come into work on a Monday morning with no idea of the weekends results, but will then be the loudest when it comes to winding up fans of any team that has dropped points.
The Moyes/Van Gaal era.... i saw the hate for United drop. People who spent the last 20 years despising us werent really arsed anymore. Why? Becasue we were 7th in the league.
Now i see it starting to rise again.
Its basically success, and all the bi products of being successful (spoilt fans, glory hunters etc etc etc)
Now i see it starting to rise again.
Its basically success, and all the bi products of being successful (spoilt fans, glory hunters etc etc etc)
No chance. We were hated throughout that time as well.
Do you know the history of Liverpool?
What about Liverpool FC sucking up to Thatcher?
http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/103055
Liverpool were owned by major backers of the Tory party. Liverpool screwed over the small clubs in the 80s along with the rest of the big 5 by ending the sharing of gate receipts. They tried to breakup the TV deal so they could negotiate their own rights a couple of years back.
They are the greatest hypocrites in football.
Liverpool fc has no socialist traditions.
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100% agree even this past month things like this happen.
Rooney - Gets drunk at a random wedding, national disgrace.
Firmino - Caught drink driving, not a peep from anyone.
It's this sort of delusion that makes you a laughing stock.
If this is so bad why do Liverpool do it as well? Why did Liverpool become the first professional club to have a shirt sponsor? What could be more corporate than that?
Your real problem with United being so commercially successful is they are just better than Liverpool at it.
In the modern day it's glory-hunters and bandwagon fans that get on people's gripes. These type of fans look down on others for supporting a far lesser club (their local team).
You can understand the resentment when someone who turns up at Carlisle every week gets ribbed on by a bloke who only recently followed Utd because Carlisle are a "tin-pot club".
I posted this in a thread a few weeks ago and it rings true here:
Is it right? Many people from outside Manchester are loyal, time-served fans and are unfairly brushed as glory-hunters.
Others you can't really blame as Utd were the only side who aimed globally in the 90s making the most of the PL boom.
You can understand the resentment when someone who turns up at Carlisle every week gets ribbed on by a bloke who only recently followed Utd because Carlisle are a "tin-pot club".
I posted this in a thread a few weeks ago and it rings true here:
Factor in people from London who have lots of pro clubs in the city - 5 or 6 in the Prem yet he instead follows a side 200 miles away.
Is it right? Many people from outside Manchester are loyal, time-served fans and are unfairly brushed as glory-hunters.
Others you can't really blame as Utd were the only side who aimed globally in the 90s making the most of the PL boom.