Creating plenty of chances. Players need to convert them.
Goal scoring is a serious problem.
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A lot of our fans waste time talking about full backs, midfielders and whinge about conceding certain goals. One look at how we score however tells you everything you need to know about our problems. It is full of 1 and 2 goals even when we win. We barely ever score more than twice a game which is ludicrous considering we have the highest goalscorer in the league.
Absolutely woeful finishing yet again. Par for course.
Mata, Pogba, Lingard, Rashford etc. All so so so wasteful.
Either we hit the bar or the keeper or shoot wide. Its amazing.
Mata, Pogba, Lingard, Rashford etc. All so so so wasteful.
Either we hit the bar or the keeper or shoot wide. Its amazing.
Our shot conversion utterly stinks and has cost us so much this season already that it has defined our failed title challenge, this early.
We're awful at it.
We're awful at it.
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As long as our shooting remains this poor Man Utd is just a team to make up the numbers in the Premier League. We'll produce a lot of pretty stuff but by and large we won't have any real point, we won't be winning or challenging for the title, we won't really be falling down the table: just drifting.
Shit, are we actually that horrible?
But we shouldn't buy Griezmann because reasons
This is what's costing us. Big time. Problem is there's no consistent goal scorer apart from Zlatan. All the rest score sporadically, how do we know who to play?
Still think Griezmann isn't needed? A square peg in a round hole? 
The fact that we're so close to 4th despite being appalling at putting away our chances is a testament to how far we've improved in all other aspects.
But we're not going to win a damn thing until we improve significantly in front of goal.
But we're not going to win a damn thing until we improve significantly in front of goal.
Huge issue. Is it the players? Is it a confidence issue? What is going on? If Zlatan goes on another barren streak like he did earlier in the year we're in big trouble.
Yes.
So how long is Jose going to keep Ibrahimovic as his main man in attack? How does the use of a 35 year old help us in the near future? He should be used like how Sheringham was used. Should not be starting so many games at this age. Jose should go full youth in this team and they will deliver for him. Our shape is all fecked up. Even Ronaldo under Jose tracked back and helped out when they were not in possession.
Give our youth the chance now! Unless Jose is also not here for a long time, I can understand why he wants to use experienced players Ibrah and Fellaini.
Give our youth the chance now! Unless Jose is also not here for a long time, I can understand why he wants to use experienced players Ibrah and Fellaini.
If we managed to sign him, his goal scoring will not be the only contribution. His off the ball movement is so important that, it will stimulate others moving. A lot of our problems today were down to motionless offense. At some point, nobody was moving and just waiting for Valencia to cross. It's just not acceptable.Still think Griezmann isn't needed? A square peg in a round hole?
Good idea. Take the man that has scored 43% of our league goals this season out of the team so that we can start scoring more! That was the problem all along, gosh how didn't Jose think of this sooner.
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Martial should start every game and be made the focal point of attack.
You need a special dribbler to create chances consistently.
One on one there is no stopping him.
You need a special dribbler to create chances consistently.
One on one there is no stopping him.
Also feel as if we pass it to Valencia WAY too often, it's our go to in far too many situations instead of being actually creative. I equally feel we look to play over the top (not long balls) but pinged balls to Ibra to bring down too often as well. Don't see much intricate play with the ball unless it's from Mkhitaryan.
Herrera and Mata especially have a tendency to go to Valencia.
Herrera and Mata especially have a tendency to go to Valencia.
We will not be in trouble if we sit and try Martial and Rashford leading the line.
It sounds counter intuitive I know, but this is akin to sending RVN away so that the kids could have the room to grow.
Neither have done much at all this season. Moving them from the wing to the striker position will not suddenly make either clinical finishers.
We had a lot of shots but it seems we mix them with "unnecessary long shots".
Not only poor finishing but poor decision making.
Not only poor finishing but poor decision making.
It's almost supernatural at this point. We have lots of good players and proven goal scorers, yet collectively we're shitting ourselves left right and centre.
Sorry but Rashford upfront on his own today. Would of done ZERO, would not of been able to hold up a single ball or win a header.
He's been poor this season, Martial has hit some form recently but for most of the season been anoymous.
Giving these guys a run of games without Zlatan would be suicidal.
How much pace does he got? Griezmann I mean.
We can always bring Zlatan on as a sub, I don't see how we can develop these young players by not starting them. Let them make mistakes, it is not like we are lighting the world on fire without them.
feck development, we need to win games first and foremost. Zlatan is one of the biggest reasons we're even near the top four. One poor performance and you're calling to drop him?
You can only blame the coaching at this point. Those shots by Ibra, Mata, Herrera, and Micky were become so bad, I don't think it's players problem anymore.
Still think we need to start absolutely every game with a front three of Martial - Ibra - Mkhitaryan, let them have some time to play together and get an understanding of one another. No more fannying about with starting Rooney, Mata or Lingard, they can and should be used as impact subs. Last season Martial scored 19, Ibra scored over 50 and Mkhitaryan scored 23 we know who our goalscorers are, allow them time to play and develop together.
It's so fecking frustrating seeing us in front of goal, the complete lack of composure on so many occasions, makes my blood boil. Saying that, I do like that it doesn't seem to keep the players down, they keep going and going, the fighting spirit is definitely back just need the kick-ball-into-goal spirit back too.
I appreciate our goalscoring is poor at the minute but it's not a great example. They scored a lucky own goal and then had flat banks of 4 in their own box and refused to play football. It's hard to create any clear cut chances in games like that.
You're right in that but it doesn't change how many decent moments we had an fecked up.
We must get someone to regularly score with Zlatan going forward.
Playing 4231 can do that. Zlatan is very often alone in the box. Sometimes none because he's not even in the box as he drops deep.
It must be a time when others have to step up if Zlatan has off games and he will have them.
It must be a time when others have to step up if Zlatan has off games and he will have them.
Remember the times when Fergie had 3 to 4 good strikers and was shitting on everything and everybody plus the only thing he was worried about is how to properly rotate the superior firepower ?
Now United are on same amount of goals as Everton. Standard and expectations are so feckin low these days.
Now United are on same amount of goals as Everton. Standard and expectations are so feckin low these days.
How many goals have we scored outside the box this season?
I do not remember many. Seems like our attempts don't even get close to going in. Limp to the keeper or straight at a defender.
I do not remember many. Seems like our attempts don't even get close to going in. Limp to the keeper or straight at a defender.
Why don't we go all out to get Ruud back at the club and teach them how to hit the net.
No, you can blame the players. It's Mourinho's fault Mata skied a chance from just outside the 6 yard box? Come on.
I would much prefer a team composition like this over anything Mourinho has been spitting out this out season:
------------------DDG-------------------
Valencia---Bailly----Rojo-------Shaw
-----------Herrera---Pogba----------
Mkhitaryan------Mata----------Martial
-----------------Rashford-------------
Pogba needs to be drilled to focus on transitioning the ball quickly from defence to attack utilising the pace of our front 3
Mata is the brains of the midfield, playing clever balls and finding space
Herrera is supposed to focus on protecting the defence and closing the spaces by working and running alot
When we have a comfortable lead, Carrick can brough it on the midfield to neautralize the game and keep possesion
Fellaini and Ibra to be used as strong targetmen for those games where we just don't find the footablling solutioning and decide to go with long ball tactic
Next season you put Griezmann upfront instead of Rashford and we go and find a better midfielder to partner Pogba
It's our own manufaured problem,and it's because of our top scorer himself playing as an attacking point zlatan ibrahimovic. A top championship winning team has overall balance in the team and we lack attacking balance with zlatan playing sole forward role who slows down our attacking dynamics , plain and simple. He does not have pace as an attacking point to cause confusion and panic in the cb's and stretch the defensive line which will open up the space for wingers or attacking midfed to have a proper space and time on the ball to shoot nither zlatan ha the pace to get one on one with the keeper like a Costa or rashford in reading a d hull game had. Teams in epl defend deep and thus till the time he gets in the ball and brings in the wingers into play the time is enough for the defensive line to regroup and get to their position and make a interception or block the shot also the lack of movement in behind the opposition defense in front of pogba reduces his pass options quickly and thus he's too slow on the ball to pass it forward quickly and create panic thus we end up facing 9 men in the box holding the ball from side to side and ends up crossing which is also poor. 8 draws is too much and Mourinho must find proper balance in the attacking lineup or we gonna struggle more and drop more points. Martial or rashford has to a
Play up front to stretch the defense with their faster attacking runs and pogba has to pass the ball faster going forward. Antonio Valencia as a winger might also help to create more and better chances up front, we could try a sneaky loan bid for payet too for 6 months who will free martial on the wing and put him in central attacking areas.
Play up front to stretch the defense with their faster attacking runs and pogba has to pass the ball faster going forward. Antonio Valencia as a winger might also help to create more and better chances up front, we could try a sneaky loan bid for payet too for 6 months who will free martial on the wing and put him in central attacking areas.
None of that explains why our players miss piss easy chances every week.
Indeed, he also initiates most of the dangerous attacks that don't lead to goals, so that's two problems solved for the price of one.