GloryHunter07
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Yeah I thought that..He was aware of it despite the fact he was looking in the opposite direction....
Yeah I thought that..He was aware of it despite the fact he was looking in the opposite direction....
You'd be great to have on a jury.Provide all the "evidence" you like but unless you actually are Mings himself you cannot be 100% sure. That's not an opinion - it's a fact.
I think Mings deliberately stamped zlatan, and is therefore a twat, but I'm not daft enough to suggest I know without a shred of doubt
Either it's just sticking up for a team-mate, or Mourinho asked him to make a bit of a deal out of it as he knew if he said much himself he'd likely be banned again.Yeah I thought that..
Keown pretty much said he thought it was deliberateMOTD saying Mings didn't mean it ffs. Oh my Christ, he double takes on Ibra and CLEARLY stamps on his head. feck me, Danny Murphy & Gary Lineker being disgusting here.
I got mine in Primark.Ibra's got a black belt in something.
I agree, but oddly, most articles I read focus massively on the elbow, and not so much on the stamp. Most Tweets I've read bang on about how Zatan should have been sent off, nowhere near as many mentions as Mings also getting sent off.Forget the elbow. That was bad, but that head stamp was barbaric.
He did. It was the reason he fell in the first place.If Zlatan did the stamp, and Mings did the elbow, would all the articles and tweets be focusing mostly on the elbow?
I doubt it.
The intent of Zlatan's failed stamp is more debatable than the intent of Mings' stamp. Regardless, one missed, and the other landed on another players head. Incomparable.He did. It was the reason he fell in the first place.
You'd be great to have on a jury.
"You can show me all the evidence you like, but unless you are Mr Terrorist you have no way of knowing whether he meant to mow down those 47 people with a machine gun."
how often do you see someone stamp on the oppositions head?We're talking about representative of profession that revolves around running, requires technique and skills of operating with one's legs, as well as demands possessing the ability of avoiding running into others (how often do you see collisions of professional players with referees). All of that drilled from an early age.
Nah, if they decide Mings is guilty of stamping deliberately on a players head he'll get much more than 3 games.Both Mings and Zlatan will be banned for 3 games.
Reckless challenges are punished even if they are not delibertate. But you are right that it may be difficult to come up with a decision in this situation. If they decide that the stamp wasn't deliberate (I'm on the fence about it), then chances are he won't be banned.Nah, if they decide Mings is guilty of stamping deliberately on a players head he'll get much more than 3 games.
the only thing I can wonder about is that he doesn't make a better job of landing more on Z's headGenuinely, how convinced are you of his intent?
This, if he wanted to leap over him, he could have done so easily. You can see he puts his foot down with added force once he is over his head.there's a jerking stamping movement - like a pause before he decides how & where to put his leg
after he's clocked where Zlatan is lying
I think Mings might have been going for the pony tail rather than the total head-shot but that ain't much mitigation
This is fecking nonsense, if he doesn't try and avoid it, then he's intentionally doing it. We're talking about landing on someone's head for fecks sake, it's one of the worse things you can do because you can genuinely kill someone.There's passion and then there's people making themselves out to be idiots on here. 'Life ban' 'criminal proceedings' 'worst thing I've ever seen on a football pitch' - embarrassing comments. Use your brains here.
It is ridiculous to assume that Mings intentionally stamps on him - as in him thinking 'oh yes his head is right there, let me stud him right in the temple'. Mings is completely at fault, but it's more of him not giving a shit if he lands on Ibrahimovic or not, than him intentionally lining up a head stomp.
Intentionally stamps on his *head* now? Intentionally doesn't avoid landing on Ibra? Definitely. He knew he was there, did he care if he landed on him, no. Did he pre-meditate a head stomp? Of course not.
It really isn't.There's passion and then there's people making themselves out to be idiots on here. 'Life ban' 'criminal proceedings' 'worst thing I've ever seen on a football pitch' - embarrassing comments. Use your brains here.
It is ridiculous to assume that Mings intentionally stamps on him - as in him thinking 'oh yes his head is right there, let me stud him right in the temple'. Mings is completely at fault, but it's more of him not giving a shit if he lands on Ibrahimovic or not, than him intentionally lining up a head stomp.
Intentionally stamps on his *head* now? Intentionally doesn't avoid landing on Ibra? Definitely. He knew he was there, did he care if he landed on him, no. Did he pre-meditate a head stomp? Of course not.
No, I said intentionally on his head. He goes to jump over him but it's more of a 'you've been a cnut all game and because I'm a cnut too if I land on you, I land on you, tough shit'This is fecking nonsense, if he doesn't try and avoid it, then he's intentionally doing it. We're talking about landing on someone's head for fecks sake, it's one of the worse things you can do because you can genuinely kill someone.
You've almost described intentionally stamping on someone there. Fwiw, he didnt just not try to avoid hitting Zlatan's head, he actively goes ahead and does it.you've been a cnut all game and because I'm a cnut too if I land on you, I land on you, tough shit
Disagree completely. There's a difference between not caring if you land on someone and intentially planting your foot onto someone's skull having planned it all out beforehand.You've almost described intentionally stamping on someone there. Fwiw, he didnt just not try to avoid hitting Zlatan's head, he actively goes ahead and does it.
Surely that shows intent? recklessness isn't an excuse, it's an admission of guilt.No, I said intentionally on his head. He goes to jump over him but it's more of a 'you've been a cnut all game and because I'm a cnut too if I land on you, I land on you, tough shit'
He doesn't intentionally aim to stamp on his head, that's a ridiculous notion. He just doesn't work hard/work at all to avoid landing on him.
One is the work of a genuine psychopath, the other just a total cnut. Mings is the latter.
Harder to prove intent?! He was looking at him on the ground all the way through and thrusted his foot into him in a forceful and entirely unnatural manner. How fecking myopic can some people be?The blokes on Sunday Supplement on Sky seem to think Zlatan will get a 3 game ban but that Mings is harder to prove intent so might get off.
If it was up to me, Zlatan would get 3 and Mings at least 6. I reckon they'll actually both get 3.
That's exactly what I think - the defence of Mings is an easier story to run - pretending it might be an accident & the ''you can't really tell'' waffle.The blokes on Sunday Supplement on Sky seem to think Zlatan will get a 3 game ban but that Mings is harder to prove intent so might get off.
If it was up to me, Zlatan would get 3 and Mings at least 6. I reckon they'll actually both get 3.
But when they consider that he had motive and they look at his lack of remorse, I think they'll have no choice but to ban him.That's exactly what I think - the defence of Mings is an easier story to run - pretending it might be an accident & the ''you can't really tell'' waffle.