Oh come on, really? Zlatan was stupid, end of and deserves a ban for the elbow. They both deserve bans.
Tyrone Mings stamp on Zlatan | He’s at it again
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Good. Hopefully, FA are finally objective this time.
I'm fairly satisfied with the wording of that charge. Ibra deserves the three match ban even though I still fully understand why he did it and don't blame him. Then they go on to state that the standard punishment for Mings would be "clearly insufficient". I hope that doesn't mean 4 or 5 games but an actual significant increase, but at least the statement sounds fair.
Behave , Zlatan deserve his ban , does not matter what the ref did or did not do.
Nothing shameful about the FA charging him it was their only choice
The panel are there to punish acts that happened on the pitch, not to create an alternate-timeline caused by Mings getting sent off, altering what happened next.
By that reckoning, Surman's red card would be rescinded, as he would have never pushed Zlatan over.
This is football. Not time-travel.
Exactly. And what about an incident where a defender gives an attacker a sneaky push or pull to deny a clear goal-scoring opportunity? That's a sending off offence. Why didn't Kyle Walker get a retrospective ban for shoving Sterling when Spurs played City? He even admitted it after the match!
It's the inconsistency in the way retrospective video arbitration is applied that really grips my shit. The FA are all over the place on this issue.
No surrprise to see both charged,they deserve bans the both of them.
I suppose the T Shirts saying Mr Friend is pretending that he didn't see it could come out, but we'd look pretty stupid doing it.
The grim possibility is that if they go in hard on Mings - let's say 9-12 games or something silly, they might want to calculate Zlatans ban in such a way that means it is proportionate to what Mings is getting - bring up the throw or the Z stamp as maybe a 2nd red card offence. Also makes them look tough.
#BedWetting
The grim possibility is that if they go in hard on Mings - let's say 9-12 games or something silly, they might want to calculate Zlatans ban in such a way that means it is proportionate to what Mings is getting - bring up the throw or the Z stamp as maybe a 2nd red card offence. Also makes them look tough.
#BedWetting
Completely deserved, a really stupid thing to do from Ibra. Let's just hope this doesn't affect our chances too much. Rooney will probably replace him because of his experience but hopefully Rashford can get a look in as well.
now the chance to see how poor our striking alternatives are...
Not going to defend Zlatan for what he did.
But in the heat of a game even 35 year olds get emotional.
As far as United are concerned this does not mean we will lose/drop points for all the 3 matches.
I think Mourinho will play Rooney instead and Rooney should prove himself.
That's what we all fear.
Thanks I just went and watched that incident. I saw it during the game and thought nothing of it clearly. I saw Mings grabbing Zlatan and Zlatan pushing him into the ground. Both players got a talking to for it if I remember it correctly.
That push was no different from Surman's push on Zlatan for which he got a yellow. Good luck trying to get a straight red for a push, especially where the opponent is grabbing you with both his arms.
The reason the rule about "if the ref sees it, action can't be taken retrospectively" was so that games weren't re-referreed afterwards and the referees judgement wasn't questioned. That is what is going to start happening now, mainly due to the appaling standard of referreeing at the moment.
There are going to be calls for FA action on all sorts of things and of course they'll be inconsistent in what they do and what they leave and that will lead to accusations of bias etc.
They may as well just say we can review what we want whether the ref sees it or not. The current system is a joke.......
And I do think Ibra should be banned.......
There are going to be calls for FA action on all sorts of things and of course they'll be inconsistent in what they do and what they leave and that will lead to accusations of bias etc.
They may as well just say we can review what we want whether the ref sees it or not. The current system is a joke.......
And I do think Ibra should be banned.......
spot on
You can't throw an inexperienced Rashford in there to lead the line with him having that little time in that position. For me, Rooney is the obvious choice, he even had a good game on Saturday.
Most elbowing incidents are not off-the-ball incidents though. And plenty of them have been punished. Your logic doesn't hold water. Any health-threatening deliberate action deserves to be punished and there is no legal obstruction to do so. Simple.
I know we all fear this.
But I don't think he will play him in a straight swap 9 position.
Perhaps he will be behind Marial or more than likely Rashford.
Key for me is Mikhi must play.
Plenty? Ok, then. Name two examples of a player being retrospectively banned for elbowing someone while heading the ball.
I can straight away think of the number of times scouse thug Gerrard getting away with elbows and stamps.
If the referee had not seen the incident (Ibrahimovic's elbow), I wonder what he was talking about with him and Rooney for about a minute, while holding a yellow card in his hand.
He obviously did not have the guts to show it and send Ibrahimovic off, but I wish he did - that would mean a one game ban, never mind that we would then probably win the match.
He obviously did not have the guts to show it and send Ibrahimovic off, but I wish he did - that would mean a one game ban, never mind that we would then probably win the match.
http://www.bournemouth.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=79177&start=1
Bournemouth fans saying it was unintentional
Bournemouth fans saying it was unintentional
Haha, good post.
If the FA actually could time travel I fear it could mean the end of the world.
In relation to the charge; I'm surprised so many try to argue Zlatan doesn't deserve the ban based on a technicality. He was lucky to not get a straight red in the first place. If this was any player from another team everyone would be saying 'no brainer'.
Anyway, I look forward to see another striker for a few games, hope Martial or Rashford is given a chance since it could either indicate that they are used in the wrong position or that Jose is right not to trust them as strikers.
See, I have more important things to remember than such incidents. Might be wrong. Wasn't Aguero punished for elbowing a player in a not-off-the-ball incident?
Cantona has a lot of experience too, should we register him quickly and play him up front?
Rooney has scored 2 goals in 18 league appearances and 1000 mins of league football. He scores 1 goal every 500 mins and very importantly he plays centrally whenever he plays. He still never looks like scoring.
Rashford has 3 goals from the wing and at least he offers some pace and movement. Though I would personally play both Martial and Rashford upfront in a different formation, thus increasing our chances of one of them having a good game and scoring.
This is absolutely spot on. It is not a rocket science or healthcare reform. The rules should be pretty clear. Yet there seems to be a different interpretation of what has to be done on every case.
Actually, that's a good example. Just googled it. Not dissimilar to the Ibra incident. Although Aguero didn't even make a pretence of trying to head the ball.
Just heard Danny Murphy saying that Mings shouldn't be banned as Mings said it was unintentional and there is no way proving that it was.
Okay, Danny you bald twat.
Okay, Danny you bald twat.
Other than the fact that there is no rule to support their decision?
He's always been anti-United that tosserJust heard Danny Murphy saying that Mings shouldn't be banned as Mings said it was unintentional and there is no way proving that it was.
Okay, Danny you bald twat.
Indeed. And they will have it in mind when deciding on Zlatan. They'll be afraid that City will be all over them id they don't punish him.
Tbh, I think that Zlatan needs rest. He will be fresh for April and May.
People going off on one when they have not read all of the statement.
There are already precendents, IMO. Aguero. The rules allow intepretation.
I know he is ABU but surely there's a line somewhere. Just because someone says something doesn't make it true, Danny.
Yeah, that is a possible upside.
I'm also perversely pleased that the rest of the attacking players have no choice but to step up and prove we're not a one man team. About time too.
Spot on.
He's actually spot on. You're arguing about the wrong thing. It's not about whether Zlatan deserved a red card or not during the game, it's about being consistent. Whether you think it's right or not, this is going to set a precedent. Are they going to retrospectively punish all red card offenses? If I remember correctly another Bournemouth player also went for a dangerous studs-up tackle which the ref only gave a yellow for. It should have been a straight red. Why aren't they retrospectively punishing him?
They're setting a precedent with this ban, which will be difficult for them to follow and maintain consistency.
It's fairly obvious both should be banned. I know it technically should be "off the ball" and Zlatan's wasn't, but it's so blatant that it'd set a worse precedent not to punish it.
The only thing I don't get is HOW the ref managed to miss both of them. In the replay he was very clearly looking straight at Zlatan as he elbowed Mings in the face. So is he now saying he didn't see it and would have sent him off if he had? Because if he didn't see it, what WAS he looking at?
He was refereeing the game by staring at where the ball was but not actually looking at what was happening?
I mean I really have no qualm with Zlatan being banned for elbowing someone in the face, but that makes the referee very clearly a liar...and if you're allowing people who you know are prepared to lie about what they see, act as referees, you really have no integrity to base anything on.
There's been so many incidents similar to this over the past few months, where a ref seems to have clearly seen something and just decided to ignore it or pretend it was something else.
The only thing I don't get is HOW the ref managed to miss both of them. In the replay he was very clearly looking straight at Zlatan as he elbowed Mings in the face. So is he now saying he didn't see it and would have sent him off if he had? Because if he didn't see it, what WAS he looking at?
He was refereeing the game by staring at where the ball was but not actually looking at what was happening?
I mean I really have no qualm with Zlatan being banned for elbowing someone in the face, but that makes the referee very clearly a liar...and if you're allowing people who you know are prepared to lie about what they see, act as referees, you really have no integrity to base anything on.
There's been so many incidents similar to this over the past few months, where a ref seems to have clearly seen something and just decided to ignore it or pretend it was something else.
I'd probably go with a 6 match ban for Mings and a 4 match ban for Ibra (extra game for it being premeditated). Obviously Ibra was provoked but a message should be sent saying retaliation won't be allowed etc.
One detail though. In fact, it's not positive for United if Mings gets a long ban. Bournemouth play Liverpool on the 5th of April and Spurs on the 15th, if he gets a 6 match ban as many are asking for he will be unavailable and directly benefiting your direct rivals for a top 4 finish.