Football in the olden days (pre-1990's) was crap, discuss.

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they were boring as f**k. the team with barnes, Beardsley was something to watch but that was later.
That was late 80s

Based on what exactly ? Our goals per game ratio ( even prior to the Barnes, Beardsley, era) during the title winning years of 1982, 1983, 1984, & 1986 are at least on a par, if not slightly better, than United's title winning years of the 90's.
What's the best attacking Liverpool side, for me it's that 87/88 side
 

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Cracking match from 1981/82 season. Shows a few things. 1 - Liverpool actually played some good stuff & scored goals as a result. 2- Southampton had a good side & could attract players of a much higher calibre than they can today. 3 - Southampton's first goal - & a lot of Liverpool's goals - showed that quick, intricate passing wasn't invented in the 90's & beyond.
This was my favorite match of that Liverpool '81 side ;)

 

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Cracking match from 1981/82 season. Shows a few things. 1 - Liverpool actually played some good stuff & scored goals as a result. 2- Southampton had a good side & could attract players of a much higher calibre than they can today. 3 - Southampton's first goal - & a lot of Liverpool's goals - showed that quick, intricate passing wasn't invented in the 90's & beyond.
When we beat Arsenal 2 - 0 at home in 87/88 Platini was there and he said we play a continental game or something. I will post that box to box goal in the 7 - 0 twatting of Spurs at sone point. Dalglglish's at Arsenal away in 82/83 too. feck . Theres too many .
 

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Terry Macs in the 7 - 0 against Spurs.

It doesnt show it all. Spurs had a corner I think and it was headed out . One touch , two touch then it goes out to where the footage picks it up from.

Any fan of the beautiful game should watch this.

 

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Terry Macs in the 7 - 0 against Spurs.

It doesnt show it all. Spurs had a corner I think and it was headed out . One touch , two touch then it goes out to where the footage picks it up from.

Any fan of the beautiful game should watch this.

I was born in 1980 so it's before my time but I saw a match in the 80s between yourselves and Forrest that was particularly impressive with the level of football, where I think you drubbed them. More so than this despite the result because of the quality of the football.

I do definitely think Barnes/Beardsley gave you another dimension though. What were Liverpool fans reaction to Beardsley being sold to Everton of all people?
 

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I was born in 1980 so it's before my time but I saw a match in the 80s between yourselves and Forrest that was particularly impressive with the level of football, where I think you drubbed them. More so than this despite the result because of the quality of the football.

I do definitely think Barnes/Beardsley gave you another dimension though. What were Liverpool fans reaction to Beardsley being sold to Everton of all people?
5 - 0 at Anfield .

Liverpool against Forest who I think were second in the league.

Tom Finney was a guest at Anfield that night and he said ' that was the finest display of football by an English side he's ever seen ' .

The following Saturday Wimbledon beat us in the Cup Final 1 - 0.


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I was born in 1980 so it's before my time but I saw a match in the 80s between yourselves and Forrest that was particularly impressive with the level of football, where I think you drubbed them. More so than this despite the result because of the quality of the football.

I do definitely think Barnes/Beardsley gave you another dimension though. What were Liverpool fans reaction to Beardsley being sold to Everton of all people?
Regarding Beardsley going to Everton . Not sure being honest. It was 90/91 and I dont remember a lot around about then. Too many tablets I reckon.
 

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Arsenal fans contributing to a Liverpool wank-fest. Now I remember why you never win anything. :(
 

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Arsenal fans contributing to a Liverpool wank-fest. Now I remember why you never win anything. :(
Any footie lad who's worth his salt will always say how good Liverpool were . We were miles ahead of the English game and then we beat the continentals at their own game.

We were the best mate . Don't punish yourself . Admit it .

JFT 96
 

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Any footie lad who's worth his salt will always say how good Liverpool were . We were miles ahead of the English game and then we beat the continentals at their own game.

We were the best mate . Don't punish yourself . Admit it .

JFT 96
Overrated shite, but keep deluding yourself. ;)
 

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Iam not biased by the way Kentonio.

I know great teams when I see them.

I can name many Liverpool sides , United sides and even Everton popped up with possibly one of the best I've seen 84/85 . I can honestly say there is not one Chelsea title winning side that comes close to that lot .
 

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Skills and techniques evolve with time. Everybody can do the "Cruijff turn" nowadays(even me!), but back in the '70s, it was something new.

Tricks are fun to watch, but not sure how far it can take you though. I do admit that all of the Fantasistas played in the Serie A back in the '90s are pure joy to watch. However, Bert van Marwijk told Shinji Ono that football isn't a circus. Is OP expecting the football to turn into a circus or expecting the teams to score some technical points by being able to pull some crazy moves during the match?

Note: Who is "Shinji Ono"? He's the most technically gifted player at Feyenoord in the early '00s confirmed by RvP, Kuyt, Tomasson, van Hooijdonk, and even by Sneijder (he called Ono the "toughest opponent ever")
 
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Cracking match from 1981/82 season. Shows a few things. 1 - Liverpool actually played some good stuff & scored goals as a result. 2- Southampton had a good side & could attract players of a much higher calibre than they can today. 3 - Southampton's first goal - & a lot of Liverpool's goals - showed that quick, intricate passing wasn't invented in the 90's & beyond.
You're kidding me right?

The first minute and a half alone shows terrible finishing, comical defending, attacks built from full backs playing hopeful diags on the half way line and neither team having any control over the ball whatsoever.
 

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Skills and techniques evolve with time. Everybody can do the "Cruijff turn" nowadays(even me!), but back in the '70s, it was something new.

Tricks are fun to watch, but not sure how far it can take you though. I do admit that all of the Fantasistas played in the Serie A back in the '90s are pure joy to watch. However, Bert van Marwijk told Shinji Ono that football isn't a circus. Is OP expecting the football to turn into a circus or expecting the teams to score some technical points by being able to pull some crazy moves during the match?

Note: Who is "Shinji Ono"? He's the most technically gifted player at Feyenoord in the early '00s confirmed by RvP, Kuyt, Tomasson, van Hooijdonk, and even by Sneijder (he called Ono the "toughest opponent ever")
It's doing it and getting away with it on a football pitch, you have to sell the dummy and then accelarate away. Which is why you don't get many doing it. Ozil does it but he doesn't accelerate away like Cruyff.
 

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The standard of football was 'crap', but it was mildly entertaining.

I loved Mexico 86 and Italia 90.......watching unheard-of players, playing in an exotic environment. Now you can get stats on everything, :(
 

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I can't wait for a similarly daft thread in 20 years saying the football in the 1990s/noughties was crap. Especially the title-babies who knew nothing else on here.
 

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A plausible corrective to this thread would be someone posting a recentish game played on an absolute quagmire where the control, poise, skill and all round play was as good as it is usually and much better than 30 years ago.
 

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Iam not biased by the way Kentonio.

I know great teams when I see them.

I can name many Liverpool sides , United sides and even Everton popped up with possibly one of the best I've seen 84/85 . I can honestly say there is not one Chelsea title winning side that comes close to that lot .
Priceless. You claim not to be bias in a post where you claim Liverpool sides are the best ever. Ok mate.. :lol:
 

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We've been around for 112 years. You muppets for 125. If you'd really like to make boasts over those 13 years of difference then you are of course welcome. The only difference between your lot and every other team, is you had a particularly good run of success (a long time ago). You've lived off those old stories for so long now though that it's just becoming a bit sad.
The history jibes have nothing to do with how long our respective clubs have been in existence but more to do with the fact that the likes of ourselves, United, & Arsenal had won countless honours in their first 100 years & Chelsea had won but a mere handful. & if it wasn't for Roman's money, chances are you'd still be on one league title win in 112 years.

Waiting 50 years to win your first league title & then having to 'buy' the next one 50 years later isn't a history to be proud of as far as I'm concerned.
 

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The history jibes have nothing to do with how long our respective clubs have been in existence but more to do with the fact that the likes of ourselves, United, & Arsenal had won countless honours in their first 100 years & Chelsea had won but a mere handful. & if it wasn't for Roman's money, chances are you'd still be on one league title win in 112 years.

Waiting 50 years to win your first league title & then having to 'buy' the next one 50 years later isn't a history to be proud of as far as I'm concerned.
What's really pathetic is the idea that you need to have won silverware at all in order to have history. As far as I'm concerned the likes of Carlisle or Oxford have just as much history as either Chelsea, United or Liverpool. In fact their fans probably deserve more respect, because they've stood by their teams for over a century despite never having a glamorous period.

As for what you consider worthy of pride, I really couldn't give a feck. Unless you're in your sixties, you almost certainly started supporting Liverpool while they were highly successful, which makes you a glory hunting plastic as far as I'm concerned. :)
 

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What's really pathetic is the idea that you need to have won silverware at all in order to have history. As far as I'm concerned the likes of Carlisle or Oxford have just as much history as either Chelsea, United or Liverpool. In fact their fans probably deserve more respect, because they've stood by their teams for over a century despite never having a glamorous period.

As for what you consider worthy of pride, I really couldn't give a feck. Unless you're in your sixties, you almost certainly started supporting Liverpool while they were highly successful, which makes you a glory hunting plastic as far as I'm concerned. :)
A bit hypocrical given you started this whole pissing contest with Liverpool's lack of recent success:

Like most things related to Liverpool, I'd also call it history. :D
Trophies aside Chelsea's history is one of BNP Members/Racism/Hooliganism and the fanbase bar the glory supporters hasn't moved on. There's not a whole lot to be proud of before you became Abrahimovic FC. At the least the new found glory can mean the fascists of Russia and Eastern Europe can join hand in hands with the racist chavs to bully black people of trains.
 

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What's really pathetic is the idea that you need to have won silverware at all in order to have history. As far as I'm concerned the likes of Carlisle or Oxford have just as much history as either Chelsea, United or Liverpool. In fact their fans probably deserve more respect, because they've stood by their teams for over a century despite never having a glamorous period.

As for what you consider worthy of pride, I really couldn't give a feck. Unless you're in your sixties, you almost certainly started supporting Liverpool while they were highly successful, which makes you a glory hunting plastic as far as I'm concerned. :)
If Carlisle or Oxford ever got taken over by a very rich sugar-daddy & suddenly became successful after pretty much winning next to nothing in their entire history, then one of their supporters came on to a football forum saying that football was crap in the old days, then I'm pretty sure he or she would get the retort I'm giving to you. & with ample justification imo.
 

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Trophies aside Chelsea's history is one of BNP Members/Racism/Hooliganism and the fanbase bar the glory supporters hasn't moved on. There's not a whole lot to be proud of before you became Abrahimovic FC. At the least the new found glory can mean the fascists of Russia and Eastern Europe can join hand in hands with the racist chavs to bully black people of trains.
Sure, if you completely ignore the entire club history with the exception of about 20 years in the 70-80's. For much of our history we were considered a glamorous team who didn't win much, but had a lot of celebrity fans and style. Then after the dark thuggish period in the 70's and 80's we embraced the foreign influx, and with players like Vialli, Di Matteo and Zola once again became an exciting side with a lot to talk about. By the time Roman bought the club we were already in the top 4 and the CL. Bit like where Arsenal were until recently. ;)
 

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If Carlisle or Oxford ever got taken over by a very rich sugar-daddy & suddenly became successful after pretty much winning next to nothing in their entire history, then one of their supporters came on to a football forum saying that football was crap in the old days, then I'm pretty sure he or she would get the retort I'm giving to you. & with ample justification imo.
I actually started this thread because of noticing how much improved the lower table teams had become over the last few seasons. I'd been really impressed with how many of them were playing styles of football that in the past would have been considered absolutely top level. They get overshadowed by the current big teams however, and a number of people here have blown the 'football is in decline' trumpet a lot recently.

It really didn't initially have a single thing to do with Chelsea, or any of the other top teams.
 

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Sure, if you completely ignore the entire club history with the exception of about 20 years in the 70-80's. For much of our history we were considered a glamorous team who didn't win much, but had a lot of celebrity fans and style. Then after the dark thuggish period in the 70's and 80's we embraced the foreign influx, and with players like Vialli, Di Matteo and Zola once again became an exciting side with a lot to talk about. By the time Roman bought the club we were already in the top 4 and the CL. Bit like where Arsenal were until recently. ;)
The thing is it wasn't 'only 20 years'. I've got match going Chelsea supporting mate who says he wouldn't take his black girlfriend or her dad to the game because of that element in the fanbase. It's not a coincidence or random that in 2015 you're fans and not other clubs bully black people of trains chanting ‘We’re racist, we’re racist and that’s the way we like it’.

And yes I know you finally got top4 the year Abrahamovic, wasn't he going to buy Liverpool or Newcastle before the late winner against them that saw you get top4 in ? I forget which.
 

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The thing is it wasn't 'only 20 years'. I've got match going Chelsea supporting mate who says he wouldn't take his black girlfriend or her dad to the game because of that element in the fanbase. It's not a coincidence or random that in 2015 you're fans and not other clubs bully black people of trains chanting ‘We’re racist, we’re racist and that’s the way we like it’.

And yes I know you finally got top4 the year Abrahamovic, wasn't he going to buy Liverpool or Newcastle before the late winner against them that saw you get top4 in ? I forget which.
There are small bunches of arseholes in every club support. The idea that someone couldn't take a black partner or friend to a Chelsea game is complete nonsense. Take a careful look at the crowd, you'll see people of all races supporting the team together completely happily.
 

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Football back in the day was pretty shit.

Balls, pitches and training methods were shit as were a lot of the players. A lot of the fans were not much better.

But then wages were shit too.

If you can ignore the stupid wages and the off field antics of the modern player we are getting a much better 'product' nowadays.
 

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I actually started this thread because of noticing how much improved the lower table teams had become over the last few seasons.
Sunderland and Boro? Are you talking about 8th place Tony Pulis-led WBA?

I'd been really impressed with how many of them were playing styles of football that in the past would have been considered absolutely top level. They get overshadowed by the current big teams however, and a number of people here have blown the 'football is in decline' trumpet a lot recently.
You never thought maybe if instead of trying to play fancy, big team football, those sides relied more on good-old small teams styles they wouldn't be posing a bigger challenge to the big teams? The continued success of Pulis and Big Sam doesn't ring any bells?
 

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You never thought maybe if instead of trying to play fancy, big team football, those sides relied more on good-old small teams styles they wouldn't be posing a bigger challenge to the big teams? The continued success of Pulis and Big Sam doesn't ring any bells?
Be realistic, most of those teams are never (barring big buyouts) going to be regularly competing on an even playing field with the top 6-7. Yet they aren't just playing hoofball every game, they're playing some nice football, and I'm really appreciative of that.

A part of it of course is that even the smaller teams have some really good players these days, with the money in the league. Look at the likes of Cabaye at Palace for instance.
 

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Small teams always had the odd good player and as for playing style, total football might make you more entertaining, but it doesn't mean a team playing like that is better than one playing kick & rush
 

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There are small bunches of arseholes in every club support. The idea that someone couldn't take a black partner or friend to a Chelsea game is complete nonsense. Take a careful look at the crowd, you'll see people of all races supporting the team together completely happily.
I'm not saying all Chelsea fans are racist but there's a racist NF element at Chelsea more so than other big clubs, they're more in Millwall territory.

Anyway to get back on topic, this is Liverpool-Forrest 1987-88, you'll struggle to see a better performance/game this weekend (much better the other games posted on this thread)


@Cassady this is the game I was talking about
 
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I actually started this thread because of noticing how much improved the lower table teams had become over the last few seasons. I'd been really impressed with how many of them were playing styles of football that in the past would have been considered absolutely top level. They get overshadowed by the current big teams however, and a number of people here have blown the 'football is in decline' trumpet a lot recently.
Actually more common in the past than today. In the last 15 years rich teams have stockpilled all the best players while in the past this was less common. Plenty of mid-table clubs played good attacking football in the past, United were a mid table club at times in the 80s, you were mid table in the 90s/00s, Sheffield Weds and Middlesborough in the 90s played some lovely attacking football. Swansea typically play proper football in recent years as did Wigan under Martinez.

What's more you had teams like Aberdeen, Ipswich and Derby winning European trophies back then.
 

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Small teams always had the odd good player and as for playing style, total football might make you more entertaining, but it doesn't mean a team playing like that is better than one playing kick & rush
It doesn't have to, but it often does. It's not like teams used to choose to play tumescent crap tactics because they felt like it, they simply lacked the quality and the players to play anything else. Look at a team like Hull 20 years ago and look at them now and it's like day and night.
 

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I'm not saying all Chelsea fans are racist but there's a racist NF element at Chelsea more so than other big clubs, they're more in Millwall territory
Bollocks, the club and fans have worked extremely hard since those days to ban the NF types and any sign of racism or violence gets met with lifetime stadium bans. We're nothing like Millwall.
 

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It doesn't have to, but it often does. It's not like teams used to choose to play tumescent crap tactics because they felt like it, they simply lacked the quality and the players to play anything else. Look at a team like Hull 20 years ago and look at them now and it's like day and night.
In terms of entertainment sure, in terms of results/level/degree of difficulty for the big teams, not so much