Again I ask why? What do you contribute to this country? Im really fascinated.
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100%.
Thats not really the issue here though. I agree he sounds well off enough to be a natural Tory voter and I can understand not wanting to vote against your own interests.
You can do that without talking absolute bollocks and pretending like you haven't come from one of the most privileged backgrounds it's possible to have. Sammsky's had a head start in life that others can only dream of and to act like the issue is that everyone else is lazy is downright insulting.
Oh god, it's dick measuring contest time. What is next, who can sing the national anthem the loudest?
Makes sense.
Agree with a lot of what you say.
For interest what is classified as "poor" in the UK today - doubt it's the same as when I was young.
Also there are people who live off the state without making any effort to do anything about it
He did and does use the NHS. Every private healthcare plan in this country is subsidised because they firstly useNHS trained staff so they avoid the costs involved with that, and secondly, private healthcare in this country is not geared for emergency cover. Every emergency callout the patient will be routed to an NHS hospital using NHS ambulances. That is why it is so cheap.
UK private health costs is about £3,500 per household per annum of 4 last I checked. Pre obamacare, in the US it was $20K. That is how much he still gets subsidised by the NHS right now.
The 1% disproportionality pay for this countries coffers, yet get a disproportional percentage of the blame.
It's not his fault Labour fecked us.
Voting for the Tories for selfish reasons is, by it's very nature, selfish. But many people would do the same, give the opportunity for a £15k pay cut
Where did I say this???????
I simply said that I wont vote for Corbyn to raise my taxes even more.
Yeah but we won't be getting a referendum on the monarchy any time soon, so what can you do?
A nice hard cock and a little empathy.
True
We're not all as self-centered though. I pay higher rate tax, private health insurance etc and i think it should be more if im being honest. Its still historically very low.
As i have to explain to the in-laws frequently i value living in a decent society more than material gains.
Yes!!! Thank you!
After voting then all my life, I just cant justify it anymore.
My mum is now 70, lived in UK for 50 years and voted labour all her life. She just told me she also wont vote for Corbyn.
They work very hard, don't you know
Because UKIP would say immigrants take take take, and don't want to give anything back.
I'm not UKIP incidentally, I'm of the opinion there are arseholes from all backgrounds.
How is it a cheap shot? You said something that suggests you don't understand how hard work and income relate to each other. That makes it an ignorant statement.
To be fair, despite the abuse you're getting, I wouldn't vote for him either (although for other reasons).
40% is a good figure really. For every 10 hours you work, you are working 4 hours for the government. They'll pay you back in things like state pension, NHS, roads, defence, etc. Especially when you pay only 2% National Insurance, so you can pay 98% of your earnings into your SIPP.... I have no qualms about higher rate's tax rate.
But higher than 40% I find it harder to justify. The old days of 50% income tax were a bit silly.
Well, I read all posts in that exchange and some of sammsky's posts in this thread haven't been glorious. Something I would expect from a GOP supporter for a guy who consistently opposes Trump in US. I'm going to put it down to frustration.
Good luck with your trading. FWIW, I support higher taxes even though it may not be the best outcome for me personally. It creates a safety net for many and of course it is hard to ensure every penny is spent the right way. If we need that type of assurance, we can as well stop giving to all charities
yawn yawn
This is why Labour will get swept into oblivion this election. And they will never ever come back, because their socialist agenda is so out of touch with 21st century Britain.
Not voting Labour doesn't mean you have to vote Tory, though, as you are fortunately aware.
Just a reminder, it was 73% when Thatcher was in office. It was over 80% during the previous tory government of Ted Heath.
We do not have high taxes.
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So basically, the ''scrounging classes'' voting for Brexit is the final straw for you, you don't want to vote to help them in any way, any more?
So basically, the ''scrounging classes'' voting for Brexit is the final straw for you, you don't want to vote to help them in any way, any more?
utter frustration with an idiotic labour party leader and his ancient socialist policies.
Sammsky, I'm from a very similar background as yours. I'll avoid the whole Labour vs Tories debate, and tell you that your original premise is wrong. Not all people on welfare voted Brexit, and even then it wouldn't matter. They're also not all lazy gits. There are many more variables than "hard work" to escape poverty. Some people don't have families to lean on, some are sick, and some are just really unlucky.
I know a "good" is as subjective a measure as there is, but would you say you have a good life? Because there are many more hardworking people like you don't have a good life, and as long as I have a good life, I'll be voting for a better one for them.
No i don't. I have self interest too.
There are no poor people? Refreshing? You absolute clown!
I think most sensible people acknowledge those people and I certainly do. I just don't think their sins justify punishing the whole group.
It's also a both a societal issue and a state issue that neither wishes to properly tackle it seems.
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Also just to use myself as an example (well my parents) regarding the 'hard work' factor:
Dad was a fire fighter - had an accident on the job which later gave him early retirement on a 50% pension I believe (he was on pretty big money before he left, 80-100k I believe). Hasn't worked a day beyond his own hobbies since. State funded.
Mum is a social worker, a former nurse and ward sister. Loved her job but hasn't had a pay rise in 10 years (if not longer, I forget). Her work load has exponentially increased (as you will read in the papers all the time). So she's working harder, without any increase in pay.
Dad sits on his arse, earns a fortune. Mum busts her ass and it isn't reflected in her pay.
There's luck involved people.
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Tory is definitely the right vote for you.
I pay all that too and not sure I'd describe it as 'historically low', particularly when you factor in loads of indirect taxes we pay, such as VAT etc...Id happily pay a penny more on income tax if the money raised was guaranteed to be used by the NHS, even though I can go private.
I think it is now. Labour are un-votable for. They offer me nothing, not even moral satisfaction.
The annual allowance for pension contributions is capped at £40k, not meaning to be a pedant.
Exactly. Rich people are not fecking struggling, and the idea that 50% tax (after allowances lets not forget) is some unbearable burden, is frankly laughable.
It's also stupid, because when the poor have more money they spend more money, allowing hard working rich folk to get even wealthier if they can actually be arsed.
Well no because its progressive i dont pay 40% on everything so its less. Your criteria is also one that assumes its my money in the first place, i dont really see it that way.
Anyone complaining about paying 45% on earnings above the threshold (150k is it?) can get fecked. No one earns a living in isolation from the rest of us or society, all money is in circulation you've just absorbed some of it yourself.
Apologies, I was just lying cause I was confused as to why you asked. I feel bad now you've responded rather politely.
I'm an unemployed scrounger, bleeding the state dry, pretending to be too ill to work. Currently waiting for a letter that can turn up at any time that summons me to lengthy questioning on extremely personal matters followed by a physical examination. After that, I wait for a letter that can turn up at any time that tells me whether I am deemed sufficiently ill to be deserving of financial support, or whether my benefits will be stopped.
Livin' the life, at sammsky's expense, yo!
Labour need to leave Brexit out of the campaign completely, the Lib Dems will be running something similar and alot of Labour voters voted leave anyway. They should concentrate on the NHS and the mess social care is in, highlight the Torie's faults.
If everyone is going to lay into Sammsky for being 'selfish', we might as well pull up Ken on this sort of bullshit. Yes, he's not suffering, so let's tax him more sounds the best way to go about it.
I'd pay 2p more in the same scenario, 5p if the extra money was ring-fenced for education. Although I'd want guarantees that it was spent wisely. Which is the real rub here. Paying the government the guts of half your salary gets harder and harder to put up with the more you learn about how incredibly badly run the public sector is. Unfortunately, I don't know what the solution is. I suspect it isn't political.