I get that impression as well.
Injured players not making themselves available to play
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It's indeed a new level of delusion. How Mourinho convinced our fans that we have players who just can't be bothered to turn up is just genius on his part. Seems like the old adage that if you keep repeating a lie, people will believe it, is true in this case.
Personally, I want them out first and faremost because they can't be trusted to stay fit and this has been our downfall for a number of seasons now, also all of them are completely rubbish as far as building a quality side goes.
You won't see these guys playing for any of the top sides in Europe, even as squad players, that's a fact, no reason for us to keep them on our books.
So many people need flashlights.
I thought the same when I saw that qoute. A small part of me wants the injury to be significant enough to warrant the substitution because if it turns out to have been a precautionary sub then I think it's over for Luke.
Smalling was in a leg brace a week ago, doing strengthening work in the pool just a few days ago. Do posters think he's pretending with physios indulging this pretence?
Mata had a fecking groin surgery, we thought he'd be out till the end of the season, comes back and is available. We've got injury crisis in defence, Jones was last seen for us on March 19, same applies for Smalling.
I honestly just don't care if they are unlucky, poor lads or whatever, we're not a hospital.
I honestly just don't care if they are unlucky, poor lads or whatever, we're not a hospital.
Yeah seems to be the case.
How about because it might just rescue their careers under Jose and be the difference between us making the CL and missing out.
And the club they end up leaving for will certainly not be challenging for trophies. Is that not reason enough?
Agreed. Its appalling. Similar to what he did with Carneiro too isn't it? Jose must have quite the medical degree. What a complete ass he is.
Jose does not sound happy?
"I don't know about the injuries," Mourinho told BT Sport. "I think Luke Shaw's must be a big injury, because to leave the pitch after 10 minutes I am expecting a very big injury."
"I don't know about the injuries," Mourinho told BT Sport. "I think Luke Shaw's must be a big injury, because to leave the pitch after 10 minutes I am expecting a very big injury."
He prefers not to talk about them but does at the same time. Good old Jose.I wouldn't bat an eyelid if Jones or Smalling went from the club but I would be sorry for Shaw and I think that would be a mistake.
Mourinho has access to medical reports.
I'll give you guys Smalling since he was in braces a week ago, but Jones and his toe? Give me a break. Terry played for a whole season with a broken toe.
Suspect it is a mentality thing with Jones because of all the injuries he has had, similar to Saha.
Will be glad to see the back of him, stolen a living for too long. More than two whole years out injured during his spell with us. It is ridiculous.
I'll give you guys Smalling since he was in braces a week ago, but Jones and his toe? Give me a break. Terry played for a whole season with a broken toe.
Suspect it is a mentality thing with Jones because of all the injuries he has had, similar to Saha.
Will be glad to see the back of him, stolen a living for too long. More than two whole years out injured during his spell with us. It is ridiculous.
Out of interest - how the hell did 2 defenders injure each other in training?
I'm not sure if Mourinho will sell 2 CB's, depends on what other options are out there. But agree about Jones and Shaw. They're simply too injury-prone. Wouldn't be surprised if Mourinho tried to get Pepe. He's still good enough in my opinion. Add Keane to this and the CB's will be competitive enough next season.
No idea who the LB might be. Mendy? Guerreiro? Rose? Someone else?
What an absolute cnut that man is. What purpose do these bullying tactics serve other than to deflect from his own failings?
Good! I've never seen a bigger bottler in football than Shaw, he's a joke.
How about Jones being constantly injured? Is that good enough reason?
Jose not completely innocent, his psychological gambling could be creating a fear amongst players. Playing for us is getting to be a bit like playing for England, not something the players necessarily look forward to.
Yeah, Jose is instilling the venom.
Somebody please post Jones' injury list ever since he joined us.
Somebody please post Jones' injury list ever since he joined us.
Its likely a mentality thing. We have a good number of players locked into moderately high wage (or full on high wage) contracts who think they can mosey about and collect their massive paychecks like they're at a resort or something. I hope Jose cleans house in that regard - which will obviously mean Rooney, Young, Jones, Smalling, and Shaw could all go.
There's an argument to be made that Jones and Smalling should be moved on because they aren't good enough for this club.
Aye, it has definitely had an effect on a lot of posters here.
Mind you, the argument that Jones should be sold based on his injury history is hardly anything new.
Yes it is.
The same tactics that have seen him win 8 domestic titles, two European cups and countless domestic cups.
It's also a stretch to even call it bullying.
It seems like he's trying his best to lose the dressing room.
Yeah Jones was seen walking in Manchester a few weeks ago.
Don't do it mate, resist the temptation to twist the argument. If you've had enough of Jones not being fit that's fine, I actually agree.
But don't conflate that with the idea a fit player is choosing not to play.
So it's possible he's delaying his comeback..
And it's not just Jose's 'venom' how you have beautifully put it.
Why would Jose purposely make enemies amongst his squad? How exactly does that benefit him?
Boom.
Also seen it with players coming to renegotiation time and their performances improve or they suddenly become fit/available to play.
Aye it's a gamble, but if the players can't see what he's trying to achieve or indeed are questioning a man who has won it all, then they need to take a look at themselves.
If you're not willing to run through a brick wall for Mourinho, then you're not a Mourinho player. Simple as.
I do think a lot of them are being overly cautious and don't want to "risk" their injuries. Mourinho doesn't want that mentality though and that's fair enough. He wants players who will fight through injuries to play. Some people may disagree with that mentality, but look at Ronaldo, probably the biggest example of it. He plays almost every game and it's all because of his drive and determination. He never wants to miss games and will play through all sorts of injuries. Smalling, Jones and Shaw seem to be constantly injured, and while of course sometimes you can't play through them, a lot of Shaw's just seem to be him being a bit of a pussy after his leg break.
Whether or not they are actually injured or not though, they all have to be flogged off I think. They're barely good enough to be rotation options even when fit, but can't be relied on to even be fit for half the games. What's the point in keeping squad players around who are on big wages and don't have the right mentality?
Whether or not they are actually injured or not though, they all have to be flogged off I think. They're barely good enough to be rotation options even when fit, but can't be relied on to even be fit for half the games. What's the point in keeping squad players around who are on big wages and don't have the right mentality?
This might get laughed at but I think Jose's lack of empathy is solely down to his lack of ever having played top level football.
It's his 'venom'.
Why would Mourinho make it look like that?
I'm no fan of Smalling but the guy has never been part of his preferred CB pairing. The only reason he was playing was due to injury to Bailly. Ditto for Jones. They know that the manager doesn't fancy them and it makes no sense to play through injury and if you perform poorly, clubs like Arsenal, Everton and the likes who may be potentially interested in them may just back off.
Everyone knows that if you aren't on the right side of Mou, there is no way you are coming back- it happened with Mata at Chelsea, Casillas at RM, these 2 here and possibly Martial as well
No you asked is Jones being constantly injured enough reason to want him out. To which I replied "yes it is."
But that's a different point completely from the one Jose has made over the last few weeks.