Disgusting tonight. It's frigging Celta Vigo!
Dirty, negative football
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Pathetic. On today's evidence, Mourinho is quite simply a bad manager.
As much as I despise José, I really want him to play great football and succeed. He's doing a great job at proving me right. Prove me wrong man!!!
Crystal Palace could beat Celta Vigo. Your giving them too much credit. We invited them to play, they didn't even want to beat us.
We got through tonight, but Jose's football really is going to cost us.
We had no right defending the lead tonight. We absolutely battered them at their place, and should have been looking to put the game to bed tonight.
As it was, we went defensive, especially in the last 20 or so, conceded a goal and were very lucky to go through in the end.
Jose did something very similar at Chelsea against PSG. Pretty sure PSG were down to 10 men too. Chelsea ended up losing the game because of the negative football.
Having said that, we're in the final, so Jose must be doing something right.
We had no right defending the lead tonight. We absolutely battered them at their place, and should have been looking to put the game to bed tonight.
As it was, we went defensive, especially in the last 20 or so, conceded a goal and were very lucky to go through in the end.
Jose did something very similar at Chelsea against PSG. Pretty sure PSG were down to 10 men too. Chelsea ended up losing the game because of the negative football.
Having said that, we're in the final, so Jose must be doing something right.
Something something Fergie did the same too. Something something injuries, etc etc
I remember thinking Cruyff was being very unfair and snobby when he said that as I'd enjoyed the tension of those Liverpool vs Chelsea games. I think he was being unfair on shit now.
I really dont see the point in bringing in expensive players like Pogba into a team that plays like West Brom. Mourinho is throwing money out the window playing stone age tactics with some world class talent. He wont last very long at the club if he continues like this.
Horrible second half, total joke really
lucky to go through
lucky to go through
The caution in Mourinho's tactics is causing the team to play nervously. We simply do not have it in us to grind it out; we never look certain once we make the switch.
Hopefully in the final we can play more freely, but with what's at stake I can't see us doing it.
Hopefully in the final we can play more freely, but with what's at stake I can't see us doing it.
He never was like that before,what on earth happened to him after that Chelsea sacking...
Playing defensive when its needed,sure,parking bus,sure but it was with purpose,you knew his teams can hurt you on counter. With us,we dont even know how to counter,hoofing the shit out of it,from minute one.
That momen when Pogba using his energy to get of 3 players and then when he had few seconds to pass,Valencia standing near our box,while that whole right side is wide open...i mean what kind of shit is that.
Playing defensive when its needed,sure,parking bus,sure but it was with purpose,you knew his teams can hurt you on counter. With us,we dont even know how to counter,hoofing the shit out of it,from minute one.
That momen when Pogba using his energy to get of 3 players and then when he had few seconds to pass,Valencia standing near our box,while that whole right side is wide open...i mean what kind of shit is that.
Not fecking acceptable.
I don't think so they use the ball very well and have outplayed Barca and Real in recent seasons, they just lack in the final third. We were generally comfortable until the end. I don't see how Jose was so negative he didn't set up as a back 6 and camp in the box.
Unless you think that having a run in that consisted of Saint-Etienne, Rostov, Anderlecht and Celta is José's doing, I am not sure what you are talking about.
We dropped far too deep at the end & invited pressure on. These players have shown this season they're not good enough to defend like this & we have no threat on the counter as the players are too deep & the striker is left isolated. Plus, to do this at OT against Celta is disappointing. A Real or Barca I can understand, but these lot!!
I expect Jose will not be this negative next season.
I expect Jose will not be this negative next season.
Resting Bailly worked a treat, no wonder Sir Bobby didn't want him the first time we weren't holding on that bad back in 09 vs Barca.But its typical mourinho so I expect most knew exactly what we were getting so its hardly surprising but I thought he might of grew a pair but no still a defensive manager and always will be.
You serious?
We just don't have the players to park the bus. That's not how we're constructed. We're an attacking team.
I'm giving Jose the benefit because he is clearly uncomfortable. He's reverted to type because that's what he knows best, and it's just about getting us over that line.
I'm giving Jose the benefit because he is clearly uncomfortable. He's reverted to type because that's what he knows best, and it's just about getting us over that line.
Tonight was as bad as I've seen us at home, conceding all the possession to Celta fecking Vigo at Old Trafford. When will Mourinho realize we suck at defending leads? Not one player is interested in taking the ball forward or push further to win the ball and as a result we drop deeper and deeper.
Final is going to be more or less same and with Bailly suspended I shudder to think what a tall physical striker in Dolberg will do to Blind.
Final is going to be more or less same and with Bailly suspended I shudder to think what a tall physical striker in Dolberg will do to Blind.
A club that is so focused on creating a brand and maintaining a global appeal, has again gone with a manager who makes it a chore to watch United. He started off saying the right things, that he had to be attacking at United and that gave me hope. But he's become the so negative, with many talented players in the team, I really worry about my interest in watching his team going forward.
Over the course of the season we've invited pressure, sat back against lesser opponents, and it's quite obvious it isn't actually a good tactic. The chances we've given up doing so, the points dropped, suggest that. When he's been brave, at home against Boro when we ended up with two in defence even at 1-1, he was rewarded with a winner. He was positive and it worked, but worryingly he didn't learn from it.
Every big game has been set up to counter the other team, not imposing a particular style of play, the subs have been negative and he reached a new level of negativity by going with 6 at the back at Boro. After the fixtures have piled up he's been as negative as he's ever been, defeatist in interviews, talking about how the team is too tired cannot compete like this. And of course that mentality will feed through to the players.
He's become more and more negative over the course of the season, and the negativity has got to me. I've seen every game this season, but I wasn't bothered missing the Arsenal match, I went to a third division Icelandic game in stead. Tonight, I can't even be happy about reaching a European final. It's supposed to be fun watching football, it hasn't been a lot of that in 2017 with Jose.
Over the course of the season we've invited pressure, sat back against lesser opponents, and it's quite obvious it isn't actually a good tactic. The chances we've given up doing so, the points dropped, suggest that. When he's been brave, at home against Boro when we ended up with two in defence even at 1-1, he was rewarded with a winner. He was positive and it worked, but worryingly he didn't learn from it.
Every big game has been set up to counter the other team, not imposing a particular style of play, the subs have been negative and he reached a new level of negativity by going with 6 at the back at Boro. After the fixtures have piled up he's been as negative as he's ever been, defeatist in interviews, talking about how the team is too tired cannot compete like this. And of course that mentality will feed through to the players.
He's become more and more negative over the course of the season, and the negativity has got to me. I've seen every game this season, but I wasn't bothered missing the Arsenal match, I went to a third division Icelandic game in stead. Tonight, I can't even be happy about reaching a European final. It's supposed to be fun watching football, it hasn't been a lot of that in 2017 with Jose.
Not true. He cost Chelsea vs PSG in 2014-2015 by being so negative when they were a MAN UP! I remember that game.
Also recall his Chelsea side going to Atleti in 2013-2014 and parking the bus as well.
Jose's lost something since Real and he's never regained it.
And his "anti-football" approach continues to get less and less effective.
We more or less had a very similar game to Barcelona in 2008 with two differences; it was Barcelona! And Fergie was so ashamed of it he went out of his way to not be associated with that a year later.
Yes I am. The setup wasn't overtly negative we were just not good enough to completely put them to the sword.
I don't know how many times we have to do it to drill it into Mourinho's head, sitting back on a slim lead rarely fecking works for us. I'm sick to death of these nervy finishes, I thought we were done with that after LVG.
Mate use your eyes.. didn't you feel threatened watching them? I didn't... they had plenty of the ball and just wasted it. I'm sure if we played a real time like Barca and Real we would notice the difference.
He was negative because with 7 minutes left he decided to park the 79 bus when we seemed as you put it 'comfortable'.
Maybe you are right but i cant remember his teams being this clueless,dont know how to even move in counter,hoofing from minute one.
My support for the manager took a big hit tonight, for once I feel this thread has a point. There's simply no way to excuse that shambles of a performance against Celta at home. Horrible stuff
Great if we come out of this first season with two trophies but it has to change next year. If Mourinho isn't willing to be the one to change it, then...
It's horrible to look at - but tonight I don't care. But he plays a dangerous game. Either he wins the final against Ajax and will be considered a genious, or he loses and will be branded a failure. And rightly so - on both accounts!
Never commented in this thread till just a few minutes ago. Today took the fecking cake.
I fail to see why there's a semblance of positivity about what Jose's done this season. This team is Pogba and Ibra away from not being able to create a chance a game. Now that Ibra is the fallen Mufasa we're seeing a team that is making heavy work of mediocre sides. That display is one of the worst of the past 3 years. Lord knows where we're going to be picking up another Ibra.
It reminds me of watching that Porto team of his come to old Trafford and win in the CL years ago. Especially in that last twenty minutes tonight when we were diving, time wasting and using every trick in the book to cling on for the win. I remember watching the old game vs Porto at the time and thinking they were the worst thing to ever happen to football.
If at the end of next season it looks more like we're transitioning into that diving, cheating, boring Porto rather than Jose's freescoring if slightly dull yet successful Madrid, then unfortunately I'd like yet another change of direction please
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Fingers crossed that we manage to grind out the final > qualify for the CL > Jose gets to sign his fix it men in the summer = and all this shite nervy football against Burnleys and Vigos will become a forgotten memory.
If at the end of next season it looks more like we're transitioning into that diving, cheating, boring Porto rather than Jose's freescoring if slightly dull yet successful Madrid, then unfortunately I'd like yet another change of direction please
. Fingers crossed that we manage to grind out the final > qualify for the CL > Jose gets to sign his fix it men in the summer = and all this shite nervy football against Burnleys and Vigos will become a forgotten memory.
Look I just don't think we're very good. Serious lack of quality in the team which has to be addressed this summer.
I don't see anyone calling him a genius if we win the europa league
We did this stupidity against Boro and Valdes bailed us out and today it was Guidetti. Sooner rather than later, we're going to pay for it. Unnecessary cowardice and inviting pressure.
Wanna bet?
It was shit football but people are really underestimating the strength of these teams. They're not pub teams ffs. Rostov beat Bayern in the CL and Vigo have beaten Barcelona and knocked Madrid out in a cup competition, they're no mugs.
Today was the first time this season I didn't agree with the negativity, in the past games I understood given the fixtures/injuries etc. but today we just didn't look as hungry as they did. First half we were good, second half we completely buckled under their pressure.
That being said, we're through to the final and that's the most important thing.
Today was the first time this season I didn't agree with the negativity, in the past games I understood given the fixtures/injuries etc. but today we just didn't look as hungry as they did. First half we were good, second half we completely buckled under their pressure.
That being said, we're through to the final and that's the most important thing.
This thread is going to be hilarious in a years time.
You were positive about our team till now?