So then doom merchant... What would you do?

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I know you're not. Neither is @AXVnee7.

The United Forum is a disaster at the moment though with spoilt and ungrateful gobshites. I'm just trying to figure out if any of them have a brain and can offer a decent insight on what they think is wrong as opposed to regurgitating the same old negative bollocks.
Even if we have some great tacticians on the forum the words are easily typed. Putting those ideas into action and being successful is another matter.
 
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It's nothing revolutionary, but when you have our resources, you should be confident enough to really get at most of your Opponents from the off. The absolute worst that can happen , is that you concede early. That still gives you 80 odd minutes for us to win the game. The doom mongers would know doubt argue , aargh but we could get hammered. You gotta grasp the nettle imo. Fortune favours the brave, always has.
Worked well against City & Chelsea earlier in the season.
 

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Nor do Costa or Kane in fairness Josep.
Well I completely disagree with Kane as he is quite quick and has a bull dog terrier approach, much like Tevez to chasing down defenders.

Costa maybe doesn't have the pace but Chelsea have two rapid wingers that compensate for his lack of pace. Something of which we don't have.

We buy Zlatan but don't play to his strengths. That's my point.
 

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Similarly to @Peanut Butter I like you but you can come over as very negative, especially when I've browsed the match day forums.

Everyone likes to moan, that's not the point. There's a cluster of agenda driven posters here at the moment though who offer little to no insight but relentlessly darken the United forum and match day.

There's a thread going in the general and some really good long time Caf posters refuse to come in here now, or in the match day forum, because of it.

Quite sad really.
That's sad that posters don't post in here and as you say, we have a lot of agenda driven members. I will try and look more positive on match says :nervous: but other than that I'm quite optimistic when it comes to United.
 

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Realistically, I'd kick Fellaini out of the club and sign Messi. Hopefully I'll have time to do at least one of those things before they discover that I'm a total fraud.
 

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Silly? This seems like the most logical thread for a football forum.
Haven't a clue what I would do but I would prefer players like Bailly that I don't know to big names that don't give a shit.
 

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In all honesty the way we play needs addressing. We never go at teams from the first bell. It's too measured. We appear to do the one thing that saf maintained you can never do at a club like ours, play with fear, fear of what the opposition can do to us, fear of over committing thru fear of being countered ,which never happens anyway due to not taking enough risks.
It's nothing revolutionary, but when you have our resources, you should be confident enough to really get at most of your Opponents from the off. The absolute worst that can happen , is that you concede early. That still gives you 80 odd minutes for us to win the game. The doom mongers would know doubt argue , aargh but we could get hammered. You gotta grasp the nettle imo. Fortune favours the brave, always has.
Amidst all that I tend to agree although this side has shown it's capable with success, just like the Chelsea game at OT where we came straight out and took the game to them.

Why do you think it's not happening more often?
 

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Worked well against City & Chelsea earlier in the season.
We weren't brave against citeh. We sat off & let them have all the ball in the first half. They were taking the pish.....but yeah , use them 2 games to justify us using negative tactics. I'd expect nothing less from you given your opinions on chucking league games when we are 5 points behind with 2 games in hand.
 

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Even if we have some great tacticians on the forum the words are easily typed. Putting those ideas into action and being successful is another matter.
I know. I guess I'm hoping it might make certain posters think a little before they post.
 

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It's a tricky one, but the first thing would be to get rid of certain players. Top of the list would be Rooney, followed by Smalling or Jones (I'd keep one for depth,) and, sadly, Carrick. However, the more difficult task is finding the new Rooney and the new Carrick, a talisman in the case of the former (because in his prime, that's what Rooney was,) and a dependable midfielder in the case of the latter (still not sure we entirely appreciate how good Carrick once was.) For what it's worth, I'd keep Fellaini, as I like his attitude, and he does have his uses.

I have no idea about formations, and I haven't seen enough of the usual transfer suspects to really comment. However, Griezmann would be a good start. I'd also love to have Lukaku. I find it amazing that a guy who has consistently scored over the last several seasons, for mid-level clubs and at a young age, is deemed not good enough, especially when goals have been so hard to come by for us. I'd also throw a shitload of money at Juve for one of their wise old Italian defenders.
 

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Silly? This seems like the most logical thread for a football forum.
Haven't a clue what I would do but I would prefer players like Bailly that I don't know to big names that don't give a shit.
I actually think Mourinho will get a few of these types of players. He's mentioned mentality enough this season and knows this is key.

Bailly Pogba Zlatan all have it, Mkhitaryan is mentally weaker but perhaps he was the best option available for the creative spark in the summer.

I think he'll target certain types of players and not necessarily a collection of the biggest names (although I expect one marquee signing)
 

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It's a tricky one, but the first thing would be to get rid of certain players. Top of the list would be Rooney, followed by Smalling or Jones (I'd keep one for depth,) and, sadly, Carrick. However, the more difficult task is finding the new Rooney and the new Carrick, a talisman in the case of the former (because in his prime, that's what Rooney was,) and a dependable midfielder in the case of the latter (still not sure we entirely appreciate how good Carrick once was.) For what it's worth, I'd keep Fellaini, as I like his attitude, and he does have his uses.

I have no idea about formations, and I haven't seen enough of the usual transfer suspects to really comment. However, Griezmann would be a good start. I'd also love to have Lukaku. I find it amazing that a guy who has consistently scored over the last several seasons, for mid-level clubs and at a young age, is deemed not good enough, especially when goals have been so hard to come by for us. I'd also throw a shitload of money at Juve for one of their wise old Italian defenders.
I would keep Fellaini too. He seems to have that mentality that JM likes, willing to go on and play wherever following instructions to the letter. You need players like this although I don't for one minute think JM sees him as our midfield first XI.
 

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I would keep Fellaini too. He seems to have that mentality that JM likes, willing to go on and play wherever following instructions to the letter. You need players like this although I don't for one minute think JM sees him as our midfield first XI.
He's a totally different player, but I kind of see him as our new Park, a player for certain occasions, who provides zero moaning when not playing.
 

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My ideal squad for next season...

De Gea
Valencia - Varane - Rojo - Mendy
Herrera - Matuidi - Pogba
Griezmann - Lukaku - Martial

Romero
Darmian - Bailly - Tuanzebe - Blind
Mata - Fellaini - Pereira - Mkhitaryan
Rashford - Chicharito
I vote for @Jaybomb 's alternative future. Maybe 1 additional quality back up CM though.
 

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Mourinho is doing a grand job. He is very negative in the big games and personally I find it a bit embarrassing, but if your goal is only trophies with no regard for a clubs traditions then he is the man.

Next season I expect more of the same. He will hopefully bring in his type of players, which means a powerful spine to the team, some more height and set piece ability to help us get the 1-0 in the tough games, and hopefully some more pace for our developing counter attack.

I expect us to generally control the small games as we have this year, but hopefully with the ability to break a deadlock via set plays more often, and with some more clinical players to take some of the half chances we make.

Sadly I expect us to continue to be negative in the big games, looking to get a draw or possibly grab a win with brilliant defence and big players like fellaini and pogba in the box at set plays and crosses. I would rather we went at every single team we played, and while I accept that fergie sometimes played on the counter vs big teams away in Europe, doing it versus top 6 prem teams isn't really necessary in my eyes. That said, it will be the way mourinho gets his trophies, and he is our manager so I am behind it.

Hopefully next year we can get together a similar run this year, but with the ability to nick a few extra wins, with a more powerful and defensive midfield unit and probably a bit more height and aerial threat
 

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He's a totally different player, but I kind of see him as our new Park, a player for certain occasions, who provides zero moaning when not playing.
Giggs was talking about Fellaini and said he understood why JM liked him having worked with him himself as a coach.

Basically that he very good at understanding instructions and can carry out a plan to perfection when asked.
 

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I'm not a doom merchant but here goes:

Mourinho really shouldn't change his approach. We only need better players, and I'm positively sure that we will get a few of this summer.
 

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Amidst all that I tend to agree although this side has shown it's capable with success, just like the Chelsea game at OT where we came straight out and took the game to them.

Why do you think it's not happening more often?
I don't know for sure, but I can only offer my own opinion in that Jose can do it in short bursts , but eventually his cautious side reigns him in. For me, Jose is a front runner, if he gets the right results at the start of the season, & gets a lead , he has enough nous to do the necessaries to plot his way to titles. The problem is when he's behind from the off. In this scenario , He still appears to want to plot his way to the conclusion, in exactly the same way he would if we were leading the pack. Hopefully ( if I'm right that is ) this season will have told him that that approach doesn't work in a chasing situation. You need to be more adventurous to close the gap.
 

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If you do not like a meal at a restaurant you should be able to explain in detail how you would cook it differently.
 

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It's not easy to rid players from a club like United. You'd have to give them away or subsidise their salary until the contract runs its course. Chances will be high, however, there's no guarantee even if you assemble the best players we'll be successful.

We should count ourselves lucky even during even our worst moments we have managed to win some trophies. The majority of fans in the UK would dream of our success once in their lifetime.
 

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It's not easy to rid players from a club like United. You'd have to give them away or subsidise their salary until the contract runs its course. Chances will be high, however, there's no guarantee even if you assemble the best players we'll be successful.

We should count ourselves lucky even during even our worst moments we have managed to win some trophies. The majority of fans in the UK would dream of our success once in their lifetime.
Absolutely this.
 

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If you do not like a meal at a restaurant you should be able to explain in detail how you would cook it differently.
The vast majority of people eating in a restaurant wouldn't know how to use a microwave.
 

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These would be a good start:

• Stop parking 10 men behind the ball when defending a lead or heading into tough away games
• Avoid public criticism of the players wherever possible
• Find alternatives to completely freezing players out if they don't quite fit the profile
• Make better use of the squad over the course of the season
 

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Even if we have some great tacticians on the forum the words are easily typed. Putting those ideas into action and being successful is another matter.
Pretty much. I think if you look over the last 4 seasons (probably longer) there isn't a caf poster that hasn't been found out, by predicting something or standing firm on a belief. We can all talk the talk, but probably can't walk the walk.

Ignoring tactics, it would be nice for the boys to enter the tunnel with the belief they are the best team in the league or any other competition they enter. How I miss how Fergie instilled a bit of invincibility into the players minds. It must be very hard to play for a manager whose first thoughts are to not lose. Not a doom merchant, as we will probably win 2 trophies this season (and contrary to some on here that is the name of the game), and that is the main reason many people wanted Jose (a winner). But those of us who are not fans have also got exactly what we expected. It is very hard to watch, negative in many games, and he does not come across as someone who is not top of his game. It is strange that Jose actually needs to win his next 2 games just to equal LVG's league wins last year. Having brought in 3 attacking players we are probably going to have scored maybe a handful of additional goals. So something is not right.
 

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In all seriousness, you're not going to get many serious replies @TheReligion because the whingers complain, for the sake of it. The majority of them genuinely have no idea how to answer this question.
None of us do. Which is why we're not football managers.

We can all type a load of stuff, but whether you're a whinger or optimist, no one here knows thr answer.

What an odd thing to say...

For me the club still lacks an identity on the pitch. Jose needs to stamp his mark on the team. Whether thats in their commitment or playstyle (probably both). That is as important, or probably more important, than player turnover.

But i'd get rid of rooney (sadly), zlatan, jones and suggest to carrick he may want to retire.

I think we need two strikers. If one of them is griezmann no other attackers. One or two CM as this season has proved you need depth. If pogba gets injired and herrera suspended thrn we're fecked. We want competition for places, not scratching about for options. I'd also get in one CB. Over 26 who can lead the back 4.

So something like

Morata
Greizmann
CM (?)
DCM (?)
CB (?)

The two strikers to rotate with rashford.

The two midfielders to rotate with pogba and herrera.

Something like

DDG
Valencia - new CB / Bailly - rojo / smalling - Shaw / Blind
New DCM / Herrera - pogba / mata - new cm / pogba
Martial / lingard - rashford / morata - greizmann / miki
 

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If you do not like a meal at a restaurant you should be able to explain in detail how you would cook it differently.
By the same sentiment if you do not like a meal at a restaurant you have no right to act like a spoilt brat, cause a scene and upset the other customers.

If you don't like the restaurant make a complaint and never go back again.
 

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I'm not a moaner but I'll throw my hat into the ring...but not without first saying that Jose is the right man for the job, that this should be seen as a long term project - just as sir Alex knew Rooney, Ronaldo, fletcher, da silva etc would blossom.

I certainly couldn't have seen Pep do a better job, we've played good football at times the key to which has been a fully fit squad. And it's the players who've struggled to put the ball in the net.

Now playing the game here's the sitting down and listing the questions & board requests that need satisfying. So I'll list priority targets followed by secondary/last resort etc. Things to consider with my backroom staff..

1)How to establish power,
2)How "gelled" the squad is/do we have good players who are held back by their support, and therefore don't look good enough, and some might think need replacing but the root problem is their "wingman"
3) commercial demands of the club/board & wage bill.

Firstly mentality. Being unknown a power statement needs making. This has to be Rooney. Might even help if he goes on a free - no nonsense taken by the new gaffer.

This could even spread into some of the "old boys network" of ferguson men. It's sad to cull but you only need to look at the class of '92's attitude on tv.

So looking at the squad, but DDG I'll come to later.

Defence:
Smalling and jones out. They are too injury prone and inconsistent to partner Bailly, plus rojo has shown himself good enough to nail the starting partner. This means it's strengthening the strength in depth...

Keane re signed - clause means he's cheap enough and good enough to rotate and take rojo's position whilst he recovers. He just as capable as either jones or Smalling but the key point is will be available with his solid injury record. I'd like to see Tuanzebe take the other back up slot.

TFM looks a beast and I'd love to see him play reserve to Valencia/another back up CB role. Cameron borthwick jackon would play back up to shaw on the other flank who I'd give one more season to fulfil his potential. We also have Valera as another back up right back.

That leaves Blind or Darmian to go... And considering the left back spot looks young/vulnerable to injury, and blind is a better centre back/midfielder he gets the nod to stay

So that's;
Valencia--Bailly--rojo--shaw
(TFM-Tuanzebe-keane-CBJ)
That's one signing around £18 million with the selling on fee factored in. And three "senior" wages removed and replaced by one plus two "junior" wages promoted. £6 million each for the chuckle brothers, with the above wages factored in, and keane is near enough a zero expenditure signing.

Midfield isn't as straightforwards. I'd play 4-3-3 to get the best from Pogba, which would require a key DM signing. Whist the game is moving back towards the more Makalele type destroyer, pog flourishes with a Pirlo/carrick playmaker. This leaves two standout options

Preferred target - Fabinho
Secondary target - Wiegl
Third option destroyer type - Fosu mensah or the young Porto prodigy/captain whose name escapes me...

That's Herrera as our box to box and Pogba as our starting attacking mid. Pereira replaces Rooney and Rodriguez looks to be a done deal. He definately has goals in him. Isco would obviously be better but reputation of me as the new gaffer and the fact he wants to fight means it wouldn't happen. So really the best bet is to trust periera with games and look at back up/challenger to Ander.

Flashy signing - James
Dream signing but won't happen - Isco
Last resort to replace Fellaini - Barkley

Rivals to Herrera
Naingolan
Youri Tielemans
Loan Portuguese kid from bayern

Attack I'll get into tomorrow


 
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By the same sentiment if you do not like a meal at a restaurant you have no right to act like a spoilt brat, cause a scene and upset the other customers.

If you don't like the restaurant make a complaint and never go back again.
People complaining here on this forum would be the equivalent of a negative Yelp review.
 

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Tactics:

De Gea/ NEW GK
Valencia Bailly Rojo Shaw
NEW CDM
Herrera Pogba
NEW WING/Mkhitaryan---------Rashford/Martial
NEW ST

4-3-3 and 5/3/2/ 4-2-3-1/ 4-4-2
Top Team/Good - Mid Table/Weak

Emphasise the need for width in attacks, wingers stay wide and are only allowed to cut inside when by the box. Our entire season we have not created enough overloads in wide areas to stretch narrow and compact defences and therefore have struggled to beat these teams. This has also meant Pogba hasn't had the space to drive into from CM which I believe is limiting his goal scoring potential. I really do believe our attacking problems start with our lack of width. A new CF is an absolute must also someone who can finish and has physicality in their game.

Transfers IN (1/2/3 In order of preference):
PRIORITIES


ST: Lukaku/Belotti

Reasoning: Both are physical and suit the PL. Would not IMO make us CL contenders but would certainly push us back into top 4 contention, we need physical finishers.

CDM: Fabinho/Matuidi/Bakayoko

Reasoning: The system of play would require a covering DM who enjoys the physical side of play but is capable on the ball.

Wing: Willian (I would say Dembele but unrealistic)

Reasoning: We need a direct winger who can hug a touchline or cut inside. Willian is a clear No1 target out wide.

CB: Keane

Reasoning: We need an injury free CB who is solid back up for Bailly and Rojo when he returns.

Wishful Thinking
ST:Griezmann (see if he's still keen as I don't care who you are he has the quality needed!)
CM:Tolisso/Keita/Cyprien (but for his injury)
RB: Semedo
LB: Mendy
CB: Varane

Transfers OUT

Rooney (No longer can fill in any role required)
Jones/Smalling (Whoever is least on board is out)
Darmian
Young


Initial Strategy

Look to solidify the teams spine in the first summer transfer window with a quality CDM and a proven ST ideally Lukaku and Fabinho.

If possible add to wide areas with PL proven Willian.

Allow loanees BJ, Januzaj and Pereira a squad role. Emphasise to Januzaj that he must make it as a winger who stays wide.

Remove Rooney and Darmian as priorities, Jones or Smalling to leave but assess on arrival. Allow Fellaini to stay, he can be useful.

Use Rooney's freed up wage space to attempt signing of Griezmann.

Undecided on Young depends on his fitness etc.

Convince Carrick to stay one more season to help with changing of guard.


Future Strategy

Replace RB
ADD TO CM
ADD WIDTH IF STILL LACKING

Objectives
Season 1

Top 4 Champions League Qualification
FA Cup Semis
League Cup Semis
Europa League Quarters/Semis *League is now priority above all else*
 
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I'd start by picking a system and having faith in it, I'm tired of watching us try and play chess with our opponents, we match up to counter them, I'd want them to have to change their gameplan to counter us. 4-3-3 attacking, home and away feck em.

I'd add 2 strikers, maybe Lukaku depending on the fee and Griezmann. I'd play Rashford alongside them in a 3 man attack with Martial/Mkh ready to step in when needed. I'd also like to add a couple of young prospects to the squad Dolberg and a midfielder (Tielemans maybe).

I'd love to see a proper tackler in the side, someone of a Kante mould to play alongside Pogba and Herrera. Ideally this would give Pogba more room to influence the attack in a more attacking playmaker role.

I'd spend big on a defender if possible maybe Marquinhos, he's young with bags of talent and could form a great partnership alongside Bailey.

The players I'd sell:
Rooney, Fellaini, Jones, Darmian, Mata, Lingard, Young and Carrick.

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De Gea
Valencia Marquinhos Bailey Shaw
Pogba xxx Herrera
Rashford Lukaku Griezmann

Subs: Romero, Smalling, Blind, Tielemans, Mkhitryan, Martial, Dolberg.

I feel with good attacking fullbacks and the option of putting Rashford and Griezman wide in certain situations will give us some width depending on the opposition.
 

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First thing I'd do is use a single formation and buy players to fit that system, in my case it'd be a 4-3-3, and go from there. We're the richest club in the world so go out and act accordingly and spend the money where it's needed but don't waste in on luxury players just to pack the squad out.

I'd look at what's genuinely needed which in my opinion is an alternative attacking right back, a quality centre back leader, a first choice attacking left back who's actually a left back, a defensive midfielder who just defends, a proper right sided attacker, an alternative left sided attacker and an alternative striker.

That sounds a lot but when you consider Darmian, one of Smalling or Jones, Young, Rooney and Zlatan as well as fringe reserves will all likely be moved on it isn't as much as it sounds and they need to be replaced with quality instead of squad filler as we've had for years now.

I've said before if we had an open cheque book as often rumoured then go out and spend £400 million (I'm sure that's one Balague was quoted as saying the other day) but buy from within the Premier League so they're proven domestically, it's important to be on top domestically and then build up towards conquering Europe.

Attempt to raid Spurs for Walker, Alderweireld, Dier and Alli or Arsenal for Bellerin and Sanchez or Everton for Lukaku as just that group alone would be pretty much enough for what we need. People will say "clubs wouldn't sell to us" but as much of a bastard as Levy is he's also a business man so would pull our pants down price wise he'd also sell and Arsenal would too.

We've fallen so far behind domestically that we need to pick off our rivals with the one thing we have over all and that's money, I'd use our main resource to put us back on top domestically and buy players to fit our system and give them time playing together in a settled first choice 11 instead of always tinkering.
 

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My problem with the question posed is that it's quite open and thus invites article-like responses. Most people end up not reading said responses, due to length, and as such there's not much actual conversation happening
 

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I've said before if we had an open cheque book as often rumoured then go out and spend £400 million (I'm sure that's one Balague was quoted as saying the other day) but buy from within the Premier League so they're proven domestically, it's important to be on top domestically and then build up towards conquering Europe.

Attempt to raid Spurs for Walker, Alderweireld, Dier and Alli or Arsenal for Bellerin and Sanchez or Everton for Lukaku as just that group alone would be pretty much enough for what we need. People will say "clubs wouldn't sell to us" but as much of a bastard as Levy is he's also a business man so would pull our pants down price wise he'd also sell and Arsenal would too.

We've fallen so far behind domestically that we need to pick off our rivals with the one thing we have over all and that's money, I'd use our main resource to put us back on top domestically and buy players to fit our system and give them time playing together in a settled first choice 11 instead of always tinkering.
Given the hypothetical context is that we haven't got CL football and that I am assuming we'd be operating on earth do you not think raiding Spurs of nearly half their first XI is optimisitc?

Walker or Dier I could understand, Alderweirald and Alli would be no goes in my book simply not for sale.

Bellerin would not join us and Sanchez (if we were out of the CL) would have better offers. Although throw enough money his way and who knows!

The problem you have with having your 'pants down' is that again hypothetically speaking you would further add to the United tax added to transfers, this would make your long term transfer policy very difficult to enforce.
 

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My problem with the question posed is that it's quite open and thus invites article-like responses. Most people end up not reading said responses, due to length, and as such there's not much actual conversation happening
Then be part of the solution, read and consider the responses and their relative merits and downfalls and comment on them thus creating meaningful and enjoyable discussion