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Top 4 race 2016/17

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Shocked that we won and even more shocked in how emphatic the victory was. Top 4 is guaranteed with a home win over Middlesborough and by that point, it may even guarantee top 3 if WBA can do us a favour in midweek... no way Everton are getting a result at the Etihad next weekend.
Considering where we were just 2 weeks ago after the Palace defeat, I think we've shown a lot of resilience to get back to where we are now.
Here's hoping we don't feck up next week now
 

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Utd mathematically out of the top 4 running now.:D So its officially now a three way tussle for 3rd and 4th places (and 5th obviously) between the others.
Amazing with the money they have spent and the fact that they lead everyone else in two of the three main income brackets.

Thought we were lucky today, clearly an inexperienced back four who lost track of their line for the first goal, won't face an easier WH side than that one again. That said, you can only beat what is put in front of you and we certainly won't bemoan a team hit by injuries with our luck in that department. Sturridge was superb l felt, Milner never stopped running, midfield solid and we were full of invention in the final third, hit the woodwork twice, a bit lucky with Wijnaldum's handball but the game was practically over by then anyway. Same side against Boro l hope.
 

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Shocked that we won and even more shocked in how emphatic the victory was. Top 4 is guaranteed with a home win over Middlesborough and by that point, it may even guarantee top 3 if WBA can do us a favour in midweek... no way Everton are getting a result at the Etihad next weekend.
Considering where we were just 2 weeks ago after the Palace defeat, I think we've shown a lot of resilience to get back to where we are now.
Here's hoping we don't feck up next week now
Come again? City's last two games are at home to West Brom and away at Watford. Emirates you mean?
 

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no I said I'd have fancied us to have turned at least 3 or 4 of those draws into wins

is that not clear enough? where are you getting Chelsea from?
Ahh.. In that case i agree. It wasn't clear to me though. 3/4 means 3 quarters to me, which would have been 10 or 11 of your drawn matches
 

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Come again? City's last two games are at home to West Brom and away at Watford. Emirates you mean?
My mistake... working nights and the fixtures/days are all blurring into one at the moment. Hopefully West Bromwich can help us anyway
 

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As a neutral, Arsenal missing out would be more interesting than Liverpool missing out.
 

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There's 10 teams in the qualifiers including the likes of

Sevilla
Napoli
Dortmund or Hoffenheim
Sporting Lisbon
Ajax
CSKA Moscow or Zenit St Petersberg
Nice

Would not be surprised if they end up getting knocked out before the group stage
You have to look at the seedings. Firstly any team that wins their league plays in the 'Champions' section of qualifying and not the 'League Section'.
So that means we could only play teams finishing 2nd / 3rd / 4th in their respective leagues and that have come through earlier qualifying rounds.

It's likely, but not confirmed yet, that we (or City or Arsenal if we feck up vs. Middlesbro') will be one of the 8 'seeded' teams in the final qualifying round (Play Off round) before the Group Stages. Certainly Ajax or United, Dortmund, Zenit, Sevilla, Napoli and Leverkusen will all be seeded if they qualify this season (and Moscow likely too), so none of those could be potential opponents (of course we could not face another PL team anyway).
 
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You have to look at the seedings. Firstly any team that wins their league plays in the 'Champions' section of qualifying and not the 'League Section'.
So that means we could only play teams finishing 2nd / 3rd / 4th in their respective leagues and that have come through earlier qualifying rounds.

It's likely, but not confirmed yet, that we (or City or Arsenal if we feck up vs. Middlesbro') will be one of the 8 'seeded' teams in the final qualifying round (Play Off round) before the Group Stages. Certainly Ajax or United, Dortmund, Zenit, Sevilla, Napoli and Leverkusen will all be seeded if they qualify this season (and Moscow likely too), so none of those could be potential opponents (of course we could not face another PL team anyway).
Looks like you are right. Are you sure its 8 seeded teams though as it appears to be only 5 according to this


I'm assuming the seeding is decided by the coefficient points so if 5 out of these 6 teams get through to the final round Liverpool will end up unseeded.

Dortmund (If they finish below Hoffenheim on final day)
Sevilla (Currently 4th)
Napoli (Currently 3rd)
Zenit (If they finish above Moscow with 2 games left)
Ajax (Finished 2nd, enter 3rd round)
Dynamo Kyiv (Finished 2nd, enter 3rd round)
 

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Could be a trickier game for Liverpool than most people expect. I remember nearly everyone, myself included, thinking that City's home game v QPR to win the title would be an absolute formality and I wish it had been.
 

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Looks like you are right. Are you sure its 8 seeded teams though as it appears to be only 5 according to this


I'm assuming the seeding is decided by the coefficient points so if 5 out of these 6 teams get through to the final round Liverpool will end up unseeded.

Dortmund (If they finish below Hoffenheim on final day)
Sevilla (Currently 4th)
Napoli (Currently 3rd)
Zenit (If they finish above Moscow with 2 games left)
Ajax (Finished 2nd, enter 3rd round)
Dynamo Kyiv (Finished 2nd, enter 3rd round)
Ah you could be right and it's only 5 teams that are seeded (haven't seen anything published yet for the 2017/18 format) - for some reason I was thinking 8 teams were seeded.

However as Dortmund are currently ahead of Hoffenheim they only have to match their result in the last round to remain there (both at home, Dortmund tougher match), Zenit are 1 pt behind Moscow (come on Zenit - I'll be watching their results now !), Ajax could win the EL (fingers crossed), or finally we'll have to hope Kiev go out in the 3rd round. So 4 chances to remove one of the teams above us and give us a seeding. Could be a tight run thing but money would be on Dortmund at least.
 

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A few hours ago the Telegraph poll on whether Arsenal will make the Top 4 was split 50/50.

Amazing optimism.
 

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Could be a trickier game for Liverpool than most people expect. I remember nearly everyone, myself included, thinking that City's home game v QPR to win the title would be an absolute formality and I wish it had been.
That's actually a perfect example of why it shouldn't be tricky. QPR were fighting to stay up, as soon as they knew they were safe they fell to pieces. Middlesbrough are already relegated.
 

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As a neutral, Arsenal missing out would be more interesting than Liverpool missing out.
100% and to be honest I hope they do, far too much optimism around Arsenal after their recent run time they're brought back down to earth by missing out on top 4 and loose the cup final
 

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That's actually a perfect example of why it shouldn't be tricky. QPR were fighting to stay up, as soon as they knew they were safe they fell to pieces. Middlesbrough are already relegated.
Could mean there's no pressure on them to perform, something they have been under all season.

Might release the shackles so to speak, allowing them to play with more freedom.

Whatever the case, you can never tell with Liverpool. We like to **** things up.
 

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Could mean there's no pressure on them to perform, something they have been under all season.

Might release the shackles so to speak, allowing them to play with more freedom.

Whatever the case, you can never tell with Liverpool. We like to **** things up.
To perform for what? They won't be arsed, they have nothing to play for. Same as West Ham yesterday.
 

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We won't screw up against Boro, l know the whole "no pressure on them they can just play" idea but the fact is they are relegated for a reason, they don't have a magical switch they can press that makes them play match winning football all of a sudden.

I think City are in far more danger away to Watford, their result and performance last night shows they have some fight left in them, a few minutes away from a draw with the Champions / Champions elect.
 

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We won't screw up against Boro, l know the whole "no pressure on them they can just play" idea but the fact is they are relegated for a reason, they don't have a magical switch they can press that makes them play match winning football all of a sudden.

I think City are in far more danger away to Watford, their result and performance last night shows they have some fight left in them, a few minutes away from a draw with the Champions / Champions elect.
I'll bet my money on City drawing with WBA than for them to lose any points against Watford.
 

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I'll bet my money on City drawing with WBA than for them to lose any points against Watford.
Perhaps its hard to evaluate Watford's result as Chelsea had already won the league l suppose, but we were at Watford only a few games a go, Deeney will kick you, they will go hard into the challenges, it will me scruffy, City like ourselves have had a lot of stumbles against lower league opposition so let's just see.
 

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Perhaps its hard to evaluate Watford's result as Chelsea had already won the league l suppose, but we were at Watford only a few games a go, Deeney will kick you, they will go hard into the challenges, it will me scruffy, City like ourselves have had a lot of stumbles against lower league opposition so let's just see.
It will be the kind of games City love as Watford won't set back as deep as WBA so I'm pretty sure they will win, WBA, on the contrary, will just set back as deep as possible and make life hard for City.
 

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We won't screw up against Boro, l know the whole "no pressure on them they can just play" idea but the fact is they are relegated for a reason, they don't have a magical switch they can press that makes them play match winning football all of a sudden.

I think City are in far more danger away to Watford, their result and performance last night shows they have some fight left in them, a few minutes away from a draw with the Champions / Champions elect.
At home to a relegated team on the last day of the season seems like a mere formality but relegated teams tend to play well and they would love nothing more than fecking up another team's hopes, misery loves company, added to the fact that you always seem to struggle against teams like these, I don't think its a given win.
 

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We should beat Boro but I'm still nervy as feck - the ghost of Gerrard's slip haunts me.

However, they have no reason to sit eleven men behind the ball and try to contain us. Rather, you'd think that with nothing to play for, they would want to have a go. Which should play into our hands.
 

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I think fans that aren't convinced of our ability to beat Boro are actually fairly correct in their assumptions. If supporting this club has taught me anything in the last decade or so, it's that if something can go wrong, it will most certainly go wrong, as well as that we don't really deserve good things. I am actually convinced we're going to beat Boro, but I'm not convinced we're going to get to the CL group stage, I find it very easy to picture us losing the qualifier.

This club has a tendency of "forcing" magic moments, ever since Istanbul there's this forceful "no, this is meant to be so it better be so" feeling around it, and media cater to that feeling too, you could see it in our title challenge all the way up to the slip, sure that season felt nice, but the cringe on the pitch and interviews was way too much to take, the film speech of how this will not slip, the slip, the sheer arrogance of thinking Palace are going to roll over and we're gonna boost our GD by rapidly scoring past them like it's a bad FIFA game... this forcing of magic is really counter-productive, and yet the club keeps doing it and as a result I think players and managers also think it's meant to be and it's their destiny to win, so they don't try or underestimate the opponent's strength.

Not to mention underestimating teams is a weakness on its own too, you can see it when we're playing bad teams at home and draw/lose.

We do tend to have tons of bad luck on our "way back to the top" (which has been going on for the past 6 years at least), last year we've been in the same finals United were in this year, and yet failed to win any of them. On the other hand, I am completely convinced United are winning the EL, while we had to struggle against super teams like Borussia and Sevilla, they had the easy run of playing second-tier Benelux teams.

Every single team that's been on a losing streak, managed to beat us. Sunderland, Hull, Palace, Swansea, Bournemouth took 5pts off us. Same teams would then go on and painfully lose to average opposition next week. It kept happening all season. Not to mention how Bournemouth game was a typical "magic of the FA cup" shit fest where a goal doesn't count because the ball is few millimeters too close to the line, and then the other team breaks your team's morale and humiliates you with set-piece goals. Can't wait to visit that shit ground next season again, how they're able to have stands with loud as feck fans so close to the pitch without breaking any rules, I have no idea. How some morbidly obese midget that will never achieve anything in his life can then come on and outrun all of your defenders and become a scottish messi in a matter of minutes, is also beyond me.

Last season UEFA managed to suspend our best performing defender for drugs, then next season, after we've already played and lost a European final without him, they "suddenly realised" he didn't take anything illegal. This season Matip retired from international football, yet was forbidden from playing for the club for some reason, again a "weird" "coincidence". And my favourite instance of utter failure was how the great four of Lallana, Mane, Phil and Bob were constantly injured and never actually played together after being promoted as the most attacking group in England.

All in all, we tend to have bad luck and we tend to fail way too much for comfort, so i won't be surprised if we fail against Boro or in the qualifier. If we do, I'm sure the fans will once again pretend like it's all fine and dandy, like they always do when Klopp comes out with an excuse. He's an extremely lovable guy, and it's hard to even think of letting him go, ever. His persona somehow makes him get away with a lot of real humiliating shit on the pitch, but whatever, optimism also has its place in the game, let's just see if we can beat Boro and take it from there.

But let me also be clear that it's one thing if you make piles of shite like Forster, Heaton and Fabianski look like world class goalkeepers, but if this team manages to make Guzan look like even a decent goalkeeper, I'll probably off myself.
 

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I think fans that aren't convinced of our ability to beat Boro are actually fairly correct in their assumptions. If supporting this club has taught me anything in the last decade or so, it's that if something can go wrong, it will most certainly go wrong, as well as that we don't really deserve good things. I am actually convinced we're going to beat Boro, but I'm not convinced we're going to get to the CL group stage, I find it very easy to picture us losing the qualifier.
I share your view on the CL qualifier thing. I find it really difficult to be optimistic about Liverpool these days - as mad as it sounds we seem ridden with misfortune in the past few years. Mad that a game against relegated fecking Middlesbrough has me shitting myself, when it should be a formality.

If it's still 0-0 at half time I'll be all over the shop.

That said, Klopp will have done a decent job if we get fourth.
 

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I share your view on the CL qualifier thing. I find it really difficult to be optimistic about Liverpool these days - as mad as it sounds we seem ridden with misfortune in the past few years. Mad that a game against relegated fecking Middlesbrough has me shitting myself, when it should be a formality.

If it's still 0-0 at half time I'll be all over the shop.

That said, Klopp will have done a decent job if we get fourth.
Same here. We should be looking to overhaul City's goal difference just in case but here we are bricking it instead. Klopp's still done a decent job regardless of 4th. I'll be more disappointed if we don't sign good-ish players than actually making CL.
 

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http://www.skysports.com/football/n...e-play-off-against-sevilla-napoli-or-dortmund

Could be a tricky CL playoff for Liverpool if they don't make 3rd.
Honestly should just drop points against Boro and avoid the massive media+rival fans shitstorm that will follow our humiliating exit from qualifiers.

One thing is for sure, you won't be seeing this article again in 12 months. From next season, the top four in the Premier League will go directly to the Champions League group stage. Hooray!
Luck never runs out when you're Liverpool, eh:rolleyes: