Should Wenger be sacked?

Should Arsenal sack Wenger


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John_Jensen

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Christ, he's losing the plot. He's been underwhelming for years now but I don't remember a season from him where he's come out with such bollocks before. From saying Chelsea's title isn't as impressive because they don't dominate possession to claiming his technical department is at fault for them not making the top 4.

In fairness to him you or somebody else has spun that to make it look like he's deflecting blame onto others, he's not. He was answering a question posed about the fans chanting Kroneke out and assigning blame to him for the poor season, and he answered that the 'technical staff' were responsible for the sporting performance. He was including himself in the 'technical staff', as opposed to the likes of Kroenke.
 

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True, but it's deflection anyway - he knows that supporters' discontent with Kroenke isn't just due to this season's endeavours...just as he knows that fans who want him (Wenger) out are not 'criticising the team' when they hold protests. Arsene is being disingenuous.
 
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True, but it's deflection anyway - he knows that supporters' discontent with Kroenke isn't just due to this season's endeveavours...just as he knows that fans who want him (Wenger) out are not 'criticising the team' when they hold protests. Arsene is being disingenuous.

He's doing what he always does, trying to conduct difficult interviews by not saying very much and defusing any possible negative headlines as much as he can.

He's past his sell by date and should go but he's never been one to throw anyone at the club under the bus and has taken flack for years that should have been directed at the ineptitude at board level, to suggest he's assigning his blame elsewhere is disingenuous.
 

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Some good points but I stand by my hand-in-glove comment: by taking flak for the board, Arsene gets to continue being manager despite no title in nigh-on a decade & a half...and no European title (in his entire career, in fact). It's a mutually beneficial arrangement, for sure.
 

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Perhaps the EL campaign will do them good if they can win it. There's no fecking chance in hell they'd win CL but perhaps they can get this mental, positive factor should they get the Europa.
 

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Wenger should reject a 1 year deal. It only makes him a sitting duck for another season and he'll have to contend with the same speculation again, this time without the CL.
 

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Perhaps the EL campaign will do them good if they can win it. There's no fecking chance in hell they'd win CL but perhaps they can get this mental, positive factor should they get the Europa.
Exactly. Hope we take it seriously next season.
 

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He needs to win the FA cup, how on earth do they announce a new deal if they get beat and finish without CL football.
 

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My respect for Wenger has diminished year on year for a variety of reasons, but mainly because of his detachment from the fans. Arsenal is his personal project, he feels, and even the club's deterioration won't stop him playing with his toy. Oh and then there's the whole refusing to endanger owners'/shareholders' profits by spending unless absolutely necessary thing; board and manager are hand-in-glove on this matter regardless of deceptive public statements.
True, but it's deflection anyway - he knows that supporters' discontent with Kroenke isn't just due to this season's endeavours...just as he knows that fans who want him (Wenger) out are not 'criticising the team' when they hold protests. Arsene is being disingenuous.
I have not seen anything like it. He constantly treats their fans with utter contempt.
 

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His comments yesterday about his situation being a factor might suggest, he himself doesn't know if he's staying or not. There have been rumours that the board is split.
If that's the situation, I find it incredible that a club that size haven't made a decision behind closed doors at the end of May.
 

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Perhaps the EL campaign will do them good if they can win it. There's no fecking chance in hell they'd win CL but perhaps they can get this mental, positive factor should they get the Europa.
Would be huge for them if they won the EL, without taking the piss they only ever get to the last 16 of UCL. EL is far more achievable for a title.
 

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His comments yesterday about his situation being a factor might suggest, he himself doesn't know if he's staying or not. There have been rumours that the board is split.
I will argue it until the chickens come home, but Wenger has already signed a new contract and the board has simply been waiting it to out for the perfect opportunity to do so.

Unfortunately they are now between a rock and a hard place. I want them to lose the cup final and see how they will announce that contract.
 

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I will argue it until the chickens come home, but Wenger has already signed a new contract and the board has simply been waiting it to out for the perfect opportunity to do so.

Unfortunately they are now between a rock and a hard place. I want them to lose the cup final and see how they will announce that contract.
I think they're worried about two things. Protests and season renewals.
The announcement coming after the season ends, kill the protests because most won't bother. But I don't know when their renewal deadline is.
In any case, this cloak and dagger stuff about a renewal already suggests it's time to go.
 

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The Daily Mail is so happy we missed out on the Champions League. They couldn't truly wait. Most anti-Arsenal newspaper in the U.K.
 

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He should leave, he has already stated he won't end his career after arsenal, the job is toxic.
Go to a team who will back you supportive-ly and financially.
 

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John Cross is convinced Wenger is staying - he has been briefed by someone at the club I reckon :drool:

There's going to be mutiny when they announce he is staying. Arsenal simply don't seem to have any ambition whatsoever these days and long may it continue!
 

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Classic tactics. When you know most people are against something so badly, you simply announce it when they can no longer complain. 2 months without a stage to protest or be angry, and when the season starts it will be subdued by the hope of a new season and the meaninglessness of creating negativity around the team.
 

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For what it is worth, i have just renewed my membership. Always with Arsenal even if i don't like our manager.
 

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For what it is worth, i have just renewed my membership. Always with Arsenal even if i don't like our manager.
no offense, i know where you're coming from as far as your renewal is concerned, but as long as people like you keep doing that, the board will be more than happy to keep the status quo. They are already treating fans like shit and don't give 2 fecks about our opinion whatsoever.

The only way to make the point hit home is to do a proper large protest or something along those lines. For example, fully boycotting the fa cup final would be a right stab in their backsides with all the pressure they'd suddenly find themselves under, especially from the media. Until fans get together and do something big enough for the world to see, so much so that board can no longer ignore the voices that allows them to be in their position, nothing will change.
 
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Would be huge for them if they won the EL, without taking the piss they only ever get to the last 16 of UCL. EL is far more achievable for a title.
Don't shoot me here, but finishing first in their CL group ahead of PSG is more impressive than winning the EL imo. Losing 10-2 to Bayern is pretty bad, but if they got knocked out by Bayern in a competitive game I'd say they had a better European season than Spurs (obvious), but also United.
 

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Don't shoot me here, but finishing first in their CL group ahead of PSG is more impressive than winning the EL imo. Losing 10-2 to Bayern is pretty bad, but if they got knocked out by Bayern in a competitive game I'd say they had a better European season than Spurs (obvious), but also United.
If they actually put up a fight against Bayern I would agree with you.
 

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Don't shoot me here, but finishing first in their CL group ahead of PSG is more impressive than winning the EL imo. Losing 10-2 to Bayern is pretty bad, but if they got knocked out by Bayern in a competitive game I'd say they had a better European season than Spurs (obvious), but also United.
I think spurs never winning anything is why you think this. Downgrading the importance of winning trophies

Finishing first in the CL group stage is better than winning the europa league...wtf
 

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If they actually put up a fight against Bayern I would agree with you.
Yeah I agree.

I think spurs never winning anything is why you think this. Downgrading the importance of winning trophies

Finishing first in the CL group stage is better than winning the europa league...wtf

I'd normally say all the teams in the knock out stages had better European seasons than those who play in the EL. Of course performances can somehow make them comparable such as United possibly winning it and Arsenal being knocked out 10-2, but let's not pretend that United would have a large chance of knocking Bayern out of the CL either.

I honestly find it slightly unfair how Arsenal are being punished for performing better in Europe and the league than United, but still end up in a position of no CL football next season. This whole system is kinda strange to me.
 

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Yeah I agree.




I'd normally say all the teams in the knock out stages had better European seasons than those who play in the EL. Of course performances can somehow make them comparable such as United possibly winning it and Arsenal being knocked out 10-2, but let's not pretend that United would have a large chance of knocking Bayern out of the CL either.

I honestly find it slightly unfair how Arsenal are being punished for performing better in Europe and the league than United, but still end up in a position of no CL football next season. This whole system is kinda strange to me.
So you would rather Spurs get knocked out in the last 16 this season instead of beating Gent and winning the europa league?
 

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So you would rather Spurs get knocked out in the last 16 this season instead of beating Gent and winning the europa league?
Absolutely, next season I want Spurs to go through from the group stages, that is quite important for us imo. And if we get knocked out in a tight game by one of Europe's elite I'd rather that happen than coming third and winning the EL. What happened this season would be even worse, finish third and then get knocked out of the EL as well.

How about you? If you're in the CL next season would you prefer to lose against one of the top teams in the last 16 or finish third in your group and win the EL?
 

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Absolutely, next season I want Spurs to go through from the group stages, that is quite important for us imo. And if we get knocked out in a tight game by one of Europe's elite I'd rather that happen than coming third and winning the EL. What happened this season would be even worse, finish third and then get knocked out of the EL as well.

How about you? If you're in the CL next season would you prefer to lose against one of the top teams in the last 16 or finish third in your group and win the EL?
Do I look back fondly at losing to Bayern in the quarter finals under Moyes. No! It was a terrible season with nothing good to remember

Last season we had the FA Cup win which was a great memory and this season we will have the league cup final and hopefully the europa league final to remember

I would prefer to win a trophy
 

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Don't shoot me here, but finishing first in their CL group ahead of PSG is more impressive than winning the EL imo. Losing 10-2 to Bayern is pretty bad, but if they got knocked out by Bayern in a competitive game I'd say they had a better European season than Spurs (obvious), but also United.
:lol:

Horrible, horrible post. I'll never understand why Spurs fans degrade the importance of winning trophies, probably a coping mechanism as they've won feck all in recent years.
 

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finishing first in their CL group ahead of PSG is more impressive than winning the EL imo.
I would like to congratulate you on finding a sentence that has never been thought before.
 

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Horrible, horrible post. I'll never understand why Spurs fans degrade the importance of winning trophies, probably a coping mechanism as they've won feck all in recent years.
Meh, wrong time and place I guess.

My point is that it depends what you win. Why don't we just make another alternative world cup with all the teams who doesn't qualify and give them a trophy as well? I haven't been a fan of how the CL/EL is structured for a long time now, and it's strange how Arsenal in theory could have been rewarded for finishing their group 3rd instead of 1st. Not that they would have been guaranteed to win the EL, but it's a bigger chance of winning EL than beating Bayern.
 

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I'm surprised people are even able to come up with replies to that post. I could only come up with a lol.
Next they will come up with the statement saying being in FA cup is better than winning the league cup.
 

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Meh, wrong time and place I guess.

My point is that it depends what you win. Why don't we just make another alternative world cup with all the teams who doesn't qualify and give them a trophy as well? I haven't been a fan of how the CL/EL is structured for a long time now, and it's strange how Arsenal in theory could have been rewarded for finishing their group 3rd instead of 1st. Not that they would have been guaranteed to win the EL, but it's a bigger chance of winning EL than beating Bayern.
Well you're assuming that anybody who finishes third in the CL group has a great chance of winning the UEL. There isn't, as you lot found out when you went out to Belgium's seventh best team.
 

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Don't shoot me here, but finishing first in their CL group ahead of PSG is more impressive than winning the EL imo. Losing 10-2 to Bayern is pretty bad, but if they got knocked out by Bayern in a competitive game I'd say they had a better European season than Spurs (obvious), but also United.
I'll try not to shoot you! I do understand your point, but I just feel silverware is silverware, if you can get your hands on it, it does wonders for squad morale and attitude towards winning. Since its also arsenal, they really need to win whatever they can and can't really afford to be too picky.
 

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He shouldn't resign. I think they have a shot at the league if they focus all their power on that now they're out of the CL. I can't see Wenger leave on these terms knowing what a bad loser the man is. He's also the biggest name in Arsenals history - so I assume they have the decency to let him finish in a way that will allow some dignity to stay.
 

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He shouldn't resign. I think they have a shot at the league if they focus all their power on that now they're out of the CL. I can't see Wenger leave on these terms knowing what a bad loser the man is. He's also the biggest name in Arsenals history - so I assume they have the decency to let him finish in a way that will allow some dignity to stay.
He is chasing losses. It never ends well