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He's Labour's Jose. He hasn't won the league yet but he's turned around a massive tanker that is now heading towards the top.So, can a loss be a win?
To be fair, I do think this ignores that a lot of European countries have electoral systems which allow for multi-party politics to a far greater extent.Tweet
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Just brush over the economic policy and he'll do fine.He's Labour's Jose. He hasn't won the league yet but he's turned around a massive tanker that is now heading towards the top.
I'm old Labour and always will be. It's good to see that we can make a positive push in the right direction. I may not be one of the empowered youths anymore but I still believe what I did when I was.
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Just like brushing over the United draws.Just brush over the economic policy and he'll do fine.
My post was heavily sarcastic in my mind at least lolJust like brushing over the United draws.
Edit: momentum is the most important factor.
I got that but I think that the momentum that the party has brought forward can't be over emphasised. We go into a period where the Tories are going to be involved in infighting. Labour needs to build on the gains they have made and move forward.My post was heavily sarcastic in my mind at least lol
i thought you were referring to the Momentum movement. My bad.I got that but I think that the momentum that the party has brought forward can't be over emphasised. We go into a period where the Tories are going to be involved in infighting. Labour needs to build on the gains they have made and move forward.
That and I'm a little worse for wear after all it is 10 O'Clock on a Friday night and Friday is the day I get blitzed.
No problem. We are in a period of political uncertainty I think that Labour need to make the most of that. The fact that we have moved forward under Corbyn's manifesto is a big step. We need to mobalise the the youth that is not tied to a student union. How we get the disaffected youth on board is a big question for Labour. That and did I mention that I'm Blitzed?i thought you were referring to the Momentum movement. My bad.
No problem. We are in a period of political uncertainty I think that Labour need to make the most of that. The fact that we have moved forward under Corbyn's manifesto is a big step. We need to mobalise the the youth that is not tied to a student union. How we get the disaffected youth on board is a big question for Labour. That and did I mention that I'm Blitzed?
To be fair, I do think this ignores that a lot of European countries have electoral systems which allow for multi-party politics to a far greater extent.
The French socialists, for example, may only have 6%, but in the UK they'd likely be made up of Hamon voters, Melenchon voters, and even some slightly left-wing Macron voters.
Similar can be said for the SPD in Germany, with the likes of Die Linke (if that's what they're called) and the Greens presumably helping to deplete their vote share.
But still, very impressive performance from Corbyn all in.
Yeah I sorta knew before posting the tweet, that it wasn't completely accurate. Still pretty impressive though.With all the attention the UK is currently getting I hope some of those left parties on the continent take some inspiration from Corbyn.
Noteworthy though that those aren't the only left parties in those countries. SPD need to share the left vote with Greens and Linke for instance (which would currently probably still fall short of Corbyns % combined together).
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Jesus, a million is quite something. Again, even though it's obviously doesn't always translate to votes, it can be utilised effectively if you're vastly outnumbering your opponents when it comes to people campaigning, involving themselves in the election etc.Yeah I sorta knew before posting the tweet, that it wasn't completely accurate. Still pretty impressive though.
Also rumours going around that Labour membership is ''closing in on a million'' members
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Agree. Exciting times ahead.Jesus, a million is quite something. Again, even though it's obviously doesn't always translate to votes, it can be utilised effectively if you're vastly outnumbering your opponents when it comes to people campaigning, involving themselves in the election etc.
He made multiple public appearances during the campaign. Unfortunately the media weren't interested in publicising them as the PLP had decided he was unelectable so all the talk was about him being replaced ASAP.Pretty unforgivable his performance in this election compared to during the referendum.
That surprises me. I would have had her as a Corbynite and not a Blairite.JK Rowling has been quiet on the Corbyn front in recent weeks considering how often she blabbed about him leading the party to ruins for the previous year
The media is right wing dominated, to have the general election he just had required a gargantuan effortPretty unforgivable his performance in this election compared to during the referendum.
Nah she's a massive centrist.That surprises me. I would have had her as a Corbynite and not a Blairite.
Corbyn wanted to leave the EU and has done for years. Don't understand how people expected him to campaign with the same vigour on that topic as he did for his own vision of the Labour party.Pretty unforgivable his performance in this election compared to during the referendum.
What I've come to realise about JK, rather sadly, is that she is the epitome of everything wrong with white liberalism.That surprises me. I would have had her as a Corbynite and not a Blairite.
JK Rowling is a fraud.What I've come to realise about JK, rather sadly, is that she is the epitome of everything wrong with white liberalism.
She says a lot of nice things, but I think she does so in order to wear the cape of being an ally & continue to get attention, rather than trying to break the status quo.
I came to this conclusion when the 'I didn't say Hermione is white' issue died down, and her actions surrounding Corbyn only highlights it more.
Very much so. Her silence on Corbyn is deafening.JK Rowling is a fraud.
The thin veneer of liberalism. Certainly isn't left wing.
For someone who has been working to undermine Corbyn every day (his words) and is now calling on 'moderates' to support May, the Labour party is the last place he should be calling home. He offers nothing of any worth to anyone bar the Tories and 'lesser' people have been booted out over the last 2 years for considerably less.Having successfully convinced the public that he's not some fiery old commie after all, I can hardly think of anything more stupid than engaging in a purge of the party.
This isn't that at all though. Plenty in here are Labour supporters who dislike Corbyn but have the hubris to state he ran a good campaign and they were wrong about him.LOl! It's like some people in this thread can't understand they're some people who's political views would be considered centrist but they're still labour supporters.
There's nothing wrong with being "not a Corbyn fan".
The faster all sides accept this, the faster we move on and forming an effective opposition.
I still don't understand the word "Blairite". Does Jk Rowling support Tony Blair?
Don't really know about JK, don't pay much attention to her.This isn't that at all though. Plenty in here are Labour supporters who dislike Corbyn but have the hubris to state he ran a good campaign and they were wrong about him.
Of course there's nothing wrong with not liking Corbyn but she spent much more effort campaigning against him than she did for Labour in any capacity. Her silence speaks volumes. She's the female Geldof, has a heightened sense of her sense and loves jumping on a populsr cause.
A very basic explanation http://www.edmundgriffiths.com/modlab.html but there is a ton of stuff on the political ideology of Blairism/Centrism.LOl! It's like some people in this thread can't understand they're some people who's political views would be considered centrist but they're still labour supporters.
There's nothing wrong with being "not a Corbyn fan".
The faster all sides accept this, the faster we move on and forming an effective opposition.
I still don't understand the word "Blairite". Does Jk Rowling support Tony Blair?
such a shameWhat I've come to realise about JK, rather sadly, is that she is the epitome of everything wrong with white liberalism.
She says a lot of nice things, but I think she does so in order to wear the cape of being an ally & continue to get attention, rather than trying to break the status quo.
I came to this conclusion when the 'I didn't say Hermione is white' issue died down, and her actions surrounding Corbyn only highlights it more.
So I'm a bit of a Blairite.A very basic explanation http://www.edmundgriffiths.com/modlab.html but there is a ton of stuff on the political ideology of Blairism/Centrism.
I don't get the left of the party wanting to get rid centrists/right. The party needs to unify and make use of it's most talented people. Many of those happen to be to the centre/right/Blairites.It should have happened 18 months ago, but we need Mandelson out of this party as soon as it is possible to do so. Make as big a deal about it as possible too and send a message to all these yesterday's men and women.
What does Mandelson offer anybody on the left at this point? He's actively tried to undermine the leader and his efforts have resulted in Corbyn being in the most stable position as leader he's ever been and Mandelson scrambling to tell the 'centrists' they should be backing Theresa May. He not only missed the Corbyn surge he did everything in his power to stop it.I don't get the left of the party wanting to get rid centrists/right. The party needs to unify and make use of it's most talented people. Many of those happen to be to the centre/right/Blairites.