Ronaldo in two years (possibly would get three out of him) would score more goals than others who are at a club 5,6, or 7
Would you want Ronaldo back?
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unreal.. someone managed to bring rooney into the discussion. i give up. we are talking about a guy who scores goals with his eyes closed, in the bathtub while asleep
it's unbelieveable. any minute now someone will say martial is better
I actually expected worse. There are a lot of voices who want him but has valid apprehensions and can see why it may not be the wisest thing to do or why the short terminism isn't beneficial. The other type of crowd is a lot more loud though with the same 'look at me, I'm the only voice of reason' persona like their hero.
I have to say that those have escaped my notice, though it probably is just the brashness of the idolatry.
Look at the poll. Not as one sided which I think is a fair reflection.
I would see it as like a steroid boost to win us the league for at least the next 2 seasons.
Winning the league and avoiding a 5 year slump is worth far more financially and in terms of our short to long term future than a 100m or 150m transfer fee.
The prize money for the league alone would pay for it let alone all the money we get otherwise and TV money.
Winning the league and avoiding a 5 year slump is worth far more financially and in terms of our short to long term future than a 100m or 150m transfer fee.
The prize money for the league alone would pay for it let alone all the money we get otherwise and TV money.
Not sure what to make of the poll, the third option just obscures it. I'm inclined to interpret that as "Yes, but I can't let my heart be fooled again". That would mean, people with actual trepidation beyond that, are the tiniest minority.
Post of the month for me. This is literally everything why I massively dislike Ronaldo, everything is all about him. To answer this thread, NO we MUST not sign Ronaldo back. That ship has sailed a long time ago and I suspect that he doesn't even "love" united as much he claimed. We were just his stepping stone to Real Madrid and the reason why so many Utd fans adore and worship him is because people like to get what they can't have. He left us at his peak and he's contributed massively to one of our club's most successful era, not to mention he went on to achieve greater things with Real Madrid. People tend to be nostalgic about the past, especially good times but let's be clear on one thing. I highly doubt he even loves United as how many of you made it out to be. Just watch his movie, the fact that Man Utd only features in his film for less than like 5 minutes if I remember correctly, says it all. He also rarely talks about Man Utd after he left us, as compared to the other legends like Paddy. Ronaldo can feck off and continue to stay at Real. We are not going to be his rebound.
Obviously yes... but...
While I'm not that concerned about his wages, which will be very high... I'd have to say the price we pay to Real is a significant factor. As several people have pointed out there are surprisingly few options for the package deal that is Cristiano Ronaldo... PSG (who I think would be the real front runner), Us, City (do they really need him?), Maybe Chelsea or AC Milan with their new found wealth... China seems to be cooling off, the MLS may try and pull a Beckham type move - but I doubt it. I can't see Bayern, Barca, Juve, Athletico getting involved in this type of speculation.
When we sold Ronaldo for a record fee (30% above the existing record fee) the length of career was a significant, it was clear he had many many seasons ahead of him at the top level. Now at 32 and as reigning Ballon D"or winner, how many top season seasons does he have left? We all saw what Zlatan could do, but imagine if we had paid a significant fee for him? When I see fees of 130M (as reliable sources have suggested) for 3-4-5 at best seasons of a player at that level, that is a boat load for a short term gain. I
While I'm not that concerned about his wages, which will be very high... I'd have to say the price we pay to Real is a significant factor. As several people have pointed out there are surprisingly few options for the package deal that is Cristiano Ronaldo... PSG (who I think would be the real front runner), Us, City (do they really need him?), Maybe Chelsea or AC Milan with their new found wealth... China seems to be cooling off, the MLS may try and pull a Beckham type move - but I doubt it. I can't see Bayern, Barca, Juve, Athletico getting involved in this type of speculation.
When we sold Ronaldo for a record fee (30% above the existing record fee) the length of career was a significant, it was clear he had many many seasons ahead of him at the top level. Now at 32 and as reigning Ballon D"or winner, how many top season seasons does he have left? We all saw what Zlatan could do, but imagine if we had paid a significant fee for him? When I see fees of 130M (as reliable sources have suggested) for 3-4-5 at best seasons of a player at that level, that is a boat load for a short term gain. I
Your pragmatic part of the brain leaves a lot to be desired.
What this nonsense with shirt sales? No player ever could pay his fee with shirt sales. Adidas is getting money, too.
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Let's hope Perez doesn't see this chart.
Yes the third option does obscure views and is most likely a mishmash of different opinions which isn't a 'yes absolutely yes!'. As long as people are open to the idea that every decision can't be solved by a binary answer, it should be fine. It's very hard to say no to Ronaldo but if it means not getting anyone else by blowing the budget on him or getting him at the cost of every other long term plan that may have existed then I am not sure we should. Luckily, we may not have to ponder too much as this won't happen.
Ok let's cut to the chase here.
Personally I do not believe that Ronaldo wants to leave Real, but he also does not want to be left humiliated by a massive tax hit while on the same money.
He knows that Real make a shit load of money out of him. Way more than goes to him.
He realises how much more United would pay him, and he also has a shrewd agent.
He's holding Real to ransom by getting them to pay the inevitable world player of the year much much more to compensate for the tax, and beyond.
The thing is, do United recognise a moral failure in this scenario, or are they willing to give him what he wants?
I'm surprised there's no Federer on there.
He is already on a 5 year deal with Madrid. We will need to pay him more money for longer to entice him over - or do you think he would accept a 3 year deal when he already has guaranteed money for 5-6 years?
He'll be the one who wanted to leave Madrid's 5 year contract, no one forced him to do so and come to us and PSG, but I can't see us nor PSG nor any club giving a 32 years player 6 year contract, max will be 4 years I think.
Only god knows
Don't think Fed is that active on social media. Or is he? The whole thing is entirely based on social media activity which seems a bit ridiculous even if it's the truth.
Want? No. Have? Yes.
It's a small difference, but one that applies to me.
It's a small difference, but one that applies to me.
You make good points, I see the logic. But I have a hard time imagining a player being at the same time fickle and machiavelic. Maybe he is just fed up with his situation on the whole at Madrid and the tax issue was just the last drop. Or maybe Mendez is pulling the strings. I also wonder if Mendez one of the third-party representatives in negotiating the Mbappé deal.
How will you feel if we paid 50M for Zlatan last summer? What if CR7 comes in and do his cruciate? This is why you don't invest that much in geriatrics. If he was a younger player, even if he does his ligaments, you wait for it to heal, ligament damage on 30+ players may be the end of their career. Take a moment to think.
If true, What kind of relationship is that? Not exactly endearing behaviour. Such a turn off. Probably a blessing he ain't coming anyway
.Mendes is also Mourinho's agent. If Mourinho can see through a possible Ronaldo pissy fit, he would probably call Ronaldo's bluff in order to future proof himself with a another shot at the bernabeu job in the future, and endear himself to their fans a bit.
I honestly believe Woody is not interested in this charade, the man is not a fool like some people here seems to think. United discussions with Madrid will continue per Morata.
I reckon the only way he won't come, is if Real kiss his arse. They're seriously being humiliated this time around.If true, What kind of relationship is that? Not exactly endearing behaviour. Such a turn off. Probably a blessing he ain't coming anyway
http://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2017/06/17/594545b5e2704e122c8b45da.html
How can the Real fans tolerate that? Goals, and lots of them I suppose, but honestly I couldn't love a player like that. We've got one already, but he's shit now, that's the difference. Besides, who's going to pay the tax bill if he leaves, I dunno....
Three possible options.
Negotiates a new mega deal with Real - most likely.
United.
America.
Or a piano could fall on his head the min he signs..? Did you out think Shaw or Rojo would do their ligaments at their age well under 30?
There's the same chance Rashford could do his ligaments than Ronaldo ..you can't say we won't sign any player over 30 in case they get injured
Ronaldo is the best player in the world... he works like a dog to prolong his career and stay on top as long as he can
If there's any chance of bringing him back of course we should take it we would be mad not too
Maybe he will give Rooney a call and ask him for advice, eh?
Imagine if we did sign him.
I can see the sea of "RONALDO 7" shirts around me in the East stand now
Including those tight wads who wheel out there 8-10year old ones.
I can see the sea of "RONALDO 7" shirts around me in the East stand now
Including those tight wads who wheel out there 8-10year old ones.
10/10
For the sake of argument my answer would be: depends.
I wouldn't have him back if it meant spending an unholy amount, bankrolling Real Madrid's next big signing(s), paying him – what – half a mill per week for the next – what – four years.
I wouldn't want him back if it meant that Mourinho has to, essentially, scrap his existing plan for building a top side, brick by brick – and do over in order to accommodate one player who will want to be the focal point of everything that happens on the pitch. A strategy that is viable when you have the “supporting cast” of Madrid at your disposal. Which we don't. Ronaldo doesn't “guarantee” multiple leagues and deep CL runs in any kind of setup, with any kind of players providing him with the service he needs in order to be an actual beast of the kind his worshipers seem to think he simply is regardless of the circumstances (the sort who claim he won the last CL singlehandedly, as though the likes of Modric, Marcelo and Benzema all went up in smoke magically).
So, if we can continue rebuilding and addressing squad and XI deficiencies as per normal – and then add Ronaldo to a system which Mourinho actually favours as such, without this tying us to a transfer/salary package out of this world for several years, then yes – sure.
I wouldn't have him back if it meant spending an unholy amount, bankrolling Real Madrid's next big signing(s), paying him – what – half a mill per week for the next – what – four years.
I wouldn't want him back if it meant that Mourinho has to, essentially, scrap his existing plan for building a top side, brick by brick – and do over in order to accommodate one player who will want to be the focal point of everything that happens on the pitch. A strategy that is viable when you have the “supporting cast” of Madrid at your disposal. Which we don't. Ronaldo doesn't “guarantee” multiple leagues and deep CL runs in any kind of setup, with any kind of players providing him with the service he needs in order to be an actual beast of the kind his worshipers seem to think he simply is regardless of the circumstances (the sort who claim he won the last CL singlehandedly, as though the likes of Modric, Marcelo and Benzema all went up in smoke magically).
So, if we can continue rebuilding and addressing squad and XI deficiencies as per normal – and then add Ronaldo to a system which Mourinho actually favours as such, without this tying us to a transfer/salary package out of this world for several years, then yes – sure.
It's like one of those a "Russian brides" marrying a rich old man to sponge off him in exchange for playing with his ballsIf true, What kind of relationship is that? Not exactly endearing behaviour. Such a turn off. Probably a blessing he ain't coming anyway
In a nutsack - yes.
However, his arrival would almost signify the end of the morata ambitions.
He occupies the space winker ron is running into.
Either Ronaldo or Morata it is. (A possible muppet poll)
However, his arrival would almost signify the end of the morata ambitions.
He occupies the space winker ron is running into.
Either Ronaldo or Morata it is. (A possible muppet poll)
Imagine if we had ronaldo for us last season, pogba would have had 20 plus assists to his name. He is the best poacher in the world football right now. He knows how to score, I would take him back but not for insane money . Anything under £150m is worth a risk. If ibra can score 28 goals in 35 then ronaldo can easily score 35 odd for 2 to 3 seasons.
I don't see him moving but if he does then yes bring him back.
I don't see him moving but if he does then yes bring him back.
Best player in the world who has 3 CLs in 4 years and has been scoring 40+ goals each season? Who wouldn't
Touche.