Reality-Monopoly Draft

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

I must have completely missed this. Is there any chance things like this can be threadmarked?

It is threadmarked, the competition announcement that is. I even updated the thread title for awareness

@Pat_Mustard picks Vierchowod

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Box 23 - Never played abroad.


P-Nut - 1. Ronaldinho 2. D.De Gea 3. Neymar
harms - 1. dropped 2. G. Donnarumma 3. L. Figo
Tuppet - 1. M. Desailly 2. J. Neeskens 3. P. Lahm
Oneniltothearsenal/ctp - 1. J. Bican 2. Breitner 3. Facchetti
Pat_Mustard - 1. R. Gullit 2. A. Brehme 3. P. Vierchowod
Skizzo - 1. Kaka 2. R. Dasayev
mazhar13 - 1. D. Law 2. U. Seeler
2mufc0 - 1. A. Köpke 2. E. Davids
prath92 - 1. M. Ballack 2. T. Henry
Chesterlestreet - 1. J. Masopust 2. R. Baraja
Oaencha - 1. A.Del Piero 2. R. Lewandowski
Moby - 1. D. Drogba 2. B. Schweinsteiger
RedTiger - 1. C. Seedorf 2. Batistuta
NM - 1. D. Edwards 2. Scholes
Enigma_87/Sjor - 1. A. Iniesta 2. R. Ferdinand
Ecstatic/MDFC - 1. M. Laudrup 2. Xavi

Block list: Alfredo Di Stéfano, Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore, Cristiano Ronaldo, Daniel Passarella, Diego Maradona, Elias Figueroa, Eusébio, Ferenc Puskás, Franco Baresi, Franz Beckenbauer, Gaetano Scirea, Garrincha, George Best, Gerd Müller, Johan Cruyff, Lev Yashin, Lionel Messi, Lothar Matthäus, Luis Ronaldo, Marco van Basten, Matthias Sammer, Michel Platini, Paolo Maldini, Pelé, Rivaldo, Roberto Baggio, Romário, Zico, Zinedine Zidane
Dropped list: Frank Rijkaard

@Skizzo

 

[Skizzo]

Box 21 - played for and had an official position at the same club

Played for and managed Liverpool

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graeme_Souness

 

[Skizzo]

P-Nut - 1. Ronaldinho 2. D.De Gea 3. Neymar
harms - 1. dropped 2. G. Donnarumma 3. L. Figo
Tuppet - 1. M. Desailly 2. J. Neeskens 3. P. Lahm
Oneniltothearsenal/ctp - 1. J. Bican 2. Breitner 3. Facchetti
Pat_Mustard - 1. R. Gullit 2. A. Brehme 3. P. Vierchowod
Skizzo - 1. Kaka 2. R. Dasayev 3. G. Souness
mazhar13 - 1. D. Law 2. U. Seeler
2mufc0 - 1. A. Köpke 2. E. Davids
prath92 - 1. M. Ballack 2. T. Henry
Chesterlestreet - 1. J. Masopust 2. R. Baraja
Oaencha - 1. A.Del Piero 2. R. Lewandowski
Moby - 1. D. Drogba 2. B. Schweinsteiger
RedTiger - 1. C. Seedorf 2. Batistuta
NM - 1. D. Edwards 2. Scholes
Enigma_87/Sjor - 1. A. Iniesta 2. R. Ferdinand
Ecstatic/MDFC - 1. M. Laudrup 2. Xavi

Block list: Alfredo Di Stéfano, Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore, Cristiano Ronaldo, Daniel Passarella, Diego Maradona, Elias Figueroa, Eusébio, Ferenc Puskás, Franco Baresi, Franz Beckenbauer, Gaetano Scirea, Garrincha, George Best, Gerd Müller, Johan Cruyff, Lev Yashin, Lionel Messi, Lothar Matthäus, Luis Ronaldo, Marco van Basten, Matthias Sammer, Michel Platini, Paolo Maldini, Pelé, Rivaldo, Roberto Baggio, Romário, Zico, Zinedine Zidane
Dropped list: Frank Rijkaard

@mazhar13

 

[Oaencha]

It is threadmarked, the competition announcement that is. I even updated the thread title for awareness

@Pat_Mustard picks Vierchowod

Apologies, I'm off-form today. I will keep extra vigilant for the next one.

 

[Joga Bonito]

D. Law 2. U. Seeler

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Just realized that landing on the pat/skizz boxes late in the game could be hell – in terms of actually clearing your players, that is. There's a hell of a lot of potential combos there when you've got a dozen players on each side.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Did you delete something @antohan ?

 

[antohan]

Did you delete something @antohan ?

Yeah, was a spoiler once I thought about it twice.

 

[Ecstatic]

Just realized that landing on the pat/skizz boxes late in the game could be hell – in terms of actually clearing your players, that is. There's a hell of a lot of potential combos there when you've got a dozen players on each side.

The wording stipulates 'a player', not 'all players'

 

[harms]

Fantastic

 

[P-Nut]

The wording stipulates 'a player', not 'all players'

Jesus if it wasn't it would be a pointless draft once you landed on that box late game.

 

[Ecstatic]

Jesus if it wasn't it would be a pointless draft once you landed on that box late game.

The wording is unequivocal: 'a player' means 'one player'.

Of course, EAP is free to change the rules/wording

 

[P-Nut]

The wording is unequivocal: 'a player' means 'one player'.

Of course, EAP is free to change the rules/wording

Oh yeah I know just imagining if it was Chesters way everyone would be screwed.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

The wording stipulates 'a player', not 'all players'

Eh? You can't just pick one of X's players and then conclude - happily - that he didn't play with any of yours. That would be nice - but I doubt that's the intention.

Unless I've misread the criterion you have to – basically – figure out whether any of your players have played with any of X's players – and then drop at least one player if you have one or more who qualifies.

That's a fair bit of research if you've drafted, say, 12 players when you land on the box.

Did P1 play with XP1, XP2...XP12?

Rinse and repeat for all 12 players.

 

[antohan]

The wording is unequivocal: 'a player' means 'one player'.

Of course, EAP is free to change the rules/wording

Makes absolutely no sense the other way

 

[antohan]

Eh? You can't just pick one of X's players and then conclude - happily - that he didn't play with any of yours. That would be nice - but I doubt that's the intention.

Unless I've misread the criterion you have to – basically – figure out whether any of your players have played with any of X's players – and then drop at least one player if you have one or more who qualifies.

That's a fair bit of research if you've drafted, say, 12 players when you land on the box.

Did P1 play with XP1, XP2...XP12?

Rinse and repeat for all 12 players.

Correct. It's an arse. I assume there's a go-to list in the OP? There should be.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Oh yeah I know just imagining if it was Chesters way everyone would be screwed.

I don't mean that you have to drop all players who played with any player in X's team - that would be absurd. But you have to figure out if you have a player - or more - who qualifies. And that's a bit of a job in itself - if you have lots of players when landing on the box.

 

[Ecstatic]

a,b,c d have played together

An example: I have a, b and c

Skizzo has d


>>> I can say I will sacrifice b, but won't lose my 3 players

 

[Chesterlestreet]

An example: I have X, Y and Z.

Skizzo has Mickey Mouse.


>>> I can say I will sacrifice Y, but won't lose my 3 players

Correct (I think). Edited out names.

But the more players you have, the more demanding it will be to check whether any one of them played with Mickey Mouse.

And Mickey Mouse is just one of Skizzo's players - any one of yours may have played with any of his.

What makes it hell isn't that you risk losing multiple players, but rather that you have to spend a lot of time, potentially, checking for connections.

 

[Skizzo]

@Chesterlestreet you make a valid point

Which makes it all the more tempting to wait. Hmm...

 

[mazhar13]

Box 16: Bottoms Up

After much thought, I cannot resist going for this player. I've already picked 2 players that I have never used in previous drafts, so I'll pick this 3rd player who won the Serie B in 2006/07:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006–07_Juventus_F.C._season

P-Nut - 1. Ronaldinho 2. D.De Gea 3. Neymar
harms - 1. dropped 2. G. Donnarumma 3. L. Figo
Tuppet - 1. M. Desailly 2. J. Neeskens 3. P. Lahm
Oneniltothearsenal/ctp - 1. J. Bican 2. Breitner 3. Facchetti
Pat_Mustard - 1. R. Gullit 2. A. Brehme 3. P. Vierchowod
Skizzo - 1. Kaka 2. R. Dasayev 3. G. Souness
mazhar13 - 1. D. Law 2. U. Seeler 3. P. Nedvěd
2mufc0 - 1. A. Köpke 2. E. Davids
prath92 - 1. M. Ballack 2. T. Henry
Chesterlestreet - 1. J. Masopust 2. R. Baraja
Oaencha - 1. A.Del Piero 2. R. Lewandowski
Moby - 1. D. Drogba 2. B. Schweinsteiger
RedTiger - 1. C. Seedorf 2. Batistuta
NM - 1. D. Edwards 2. Scholes
Enigma_87/Sjor - 1. A. Iniesta 2. R. Ferdinand
Ecstatic/MDFC - 1. M. Laudrup 2. Xavi

Block list: Alfredo Di Stéfano, Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore, Cristiano Ronaldo, Daniel Passarella, Diego Maradona, Elias Figueroa, Eusébio, Ferenc Puskás, Franco Baresi, Franz Beckenbauer, Gaetano Scirea, Garrincha, George Best, Gerd Müller, Johan Cruyff, Lev Yashin, Lionel Messi, Lothar Matthäus, Luis Ronaldo, Marco van Basten, Matthias Sammer, Michel Platini, Paolo Maldini, Pelé, Rivaldo, Roberto Baggio, Romário, Zico, Zinedine Zidane
Dropped list: Frank Rijkaard

@2mufc0

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

@Chesterlestreet you make a valid point

Which makes it all the more tempting to wait. Hmm...

deliciously evil.

 

[Skizzo]

deliciously evil.

It really screws one half of the managers more than the other half too, because in theory half of them will know it's coming and could pick a crap player to meet the criteria to drop them

 

[antohan]

I don't mean that you have to drop all players who played with any player in X's team - that would be absurd. But you have to figure out if you have a player - or more - who qualifies. And that's a bit of a job in itself - if you have lots of players when landing on the box.

In practice, whenever you get a crap box you are bound to prioritise getting a player that qualifies for the replacement boxes, so once you fall late on you would have your designated Skizzo, Pat and CL chap (and whatever the fourth is, WC?).

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

It really screws one half of the managers more than the other half too, because in theory half of them will know it's coming and could pick a crap player to meet the criteria to drop them

But they don't know which criteria applies. The flip side of waiting is most managers will have cone acrossone or more weak player boxes interim and escape the severity.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

deliciously evil.

I'm probably daft but I don't see how he benefits all that much from it himself. He can, at any given point, calculate that so-and-so will suffer (and that he, himself, won't – directly) – but that's about it, surely.

The earlier he plays the card, the more likely it is that he'll get fecked himself in one way or another down the line AND that those who suffer will recover gloriously.

The longer he waits, the less likely it is that he, himself, will escape unscathed from playing the card – plus he, along with everyone else, will have that tedious research job on his hands.

The only scenario in which he can have his cake and eat it, is pretty unlikely: He drafts perfectly in terms of avoiding players he'd lose from playing the card up until a very late stage. He'd have to devote more time to plotting his picks than any sane man would be willing to, if you ask me.

I'm probably missing something here, but that's what it looks like to me. Key point being, of course, that he can't escape the box himself – he gets whatever everyone else gets.

 

[antohan]

Box 16: Bottoms Up

After much thought, I cannot resist going for this player. I've already picked 2 players that I have never used in previous drafts, so I'll pick this 3rd player who won the Serie B in 2006/07:

That was my pick instead of RTs Batistuta.

Good, can now update then.

R1: More than 6 clubs, EDGAR DAVIDS
R2: Won 2nd Division, PAVEL NEDVED
R3: Club player and official staff other than tealady(man), @oneniltothearsenal

That would have been a beauty of a left side.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

I'm probably daft but I don't see how he benefits all that much from it himself. He can, at any given point, calculate that so-and-so will suffer (and that he, himself, won't – directly) – but that's about it, surely.

The earlier he plays the card, the more likely it is that he'll get fecked himself in one way or another down the line AND that those who suffer will recover gloriously.

The longer he waits, the less likely it is that he, himself, will escape unscathed from playing the card – plus he, along with everyone else, will have that tedious research job on his hands.

The only scenario in which he can have his cake and eat it, is pretty unlikely: He drafts perfectly in terms of avoiding players he'd lose from playing the card up until a very late stage. He'd have to devote more time to plotting his picks than any sane man would be willing to, if you ask me.

I'm probably missing something here, but that's what it looks like to me. Key point being, of course, that he can't escape the box himself – he gets whatever everyone else gets.

What you're missing is that none of the rewards will be designed to give benefit to the winner. I.e. there is no cake. These are negative prizes where winner decides to take a small hit but to land bigger hits on others.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

What you're missing is that none of the rewards will be designed to give benefit to the winner. I.e. there is no cake. These are negative prizes where winner decides to take a small hit but to land bigger hits on others.

Heh - yeah. That's fair enough.

Can he decide not to play that card at all, by the way?

 

[Enigma_87]

Can he decide not to play that card at all, by the way?

He can, indirectly, by using it in the 13th round or something.

 

[Enigma_87]

I'm probably daft but I don't see how he benefits all that much from it himself. He can, at any given point, calculate that so-and-so will suffer (and that he, himself, won't – directly) – but that's about it, surely.

The earlier he plays the card, the more likely it is that he'll get fecked himself in one way or another down the line AND that those who suffer will recover gloriously.

The longer he waits, the less likely it is that he, himself, will escape unscathed from playing the card – plus he, along with everyone else, will have that tedious research job on his hands.

The only scenario in which he can have his cake and eat it, is pretty unlikely: He drafts perfectly in terms of avoiding players he'd lose from playing the card up until a very late stage. He'd have to devote more time to plotting his picks than any sane man would be willing to, if you ask me.

I'm probably missing something here, but that's what it looks like to me. Key point being, of course, that he can't escape the box himself – he gets whatever everyone else gets.

IMO he has to use it from the beginning of the snake as he's 5th in the picking order. Otherwise you'll have a depleted pool with 11 managers picking before you from the same criteria.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

In practice, whenever you get a crap box you are bound to prioritise getting a player that qualifies for the replacement boxes, so once you fall late on you would have your designated Skizzo, Pat and CL chap (and whatever the fourth is, WC?).

Yep.

In theory you can - also - pick from good boxes with a certain priority in mind, i.e. opt for players who didn't win the CL/WC (or played with Patzzo's boys as that list expands), but that gets absurd fast. Not least since you could lose anyone, randomly, through injury anyway.

 

[prtk0811]

I never understood what goes on in these threads.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

IMO he has to use it from the beginning of the snake as he's 5th in the picking order. Otherwise you'll have a depleted pool with 11 managers picking before you from the same criteria.

It's for the next round, though. Not the one he's playing it in. If he opts to play it now, it will take effect in R4.

ETA In other words, he'll be 5th in the picking order regardless - the way it works is that it effectively cancels out the true box for that round and replaces it with whatever box he picks. So, the whole round becomes a one-box affair for everyone involved, including himself. So, in order to play it effectively, he has to make sure he has nothing to lose directly from playing it.

The best he can hope for is to do damage to as many managers as possible without taking a hit himself - and the longer he waits, the more complicated that assessment becomes: He has to go through the rosters to check who would lose who, etc. And make sure he hasn't fecked up in terms of his own roster.

And, again, on the flipside - the earlier he plays it, the easier it will be for the affected managers to recover.

 

[Skizzo]

But they don't know which criteria applies. The flip side of waiting is most managers will have cone acrossone or more weak player boxes interim and escape the severity.

So I don't say which of the 4 I chose? I just PM you and announce that I'm playing the card?

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

I never understood what goes on in these threads.

Played Monopoly? This is fantasy Monopoly with football related boxes.

So I don't say which of the 4 I chose? I just PM you and announce that I'm playing the card?

Doesn't matter. It needs to be announced so they know which restricted player they need to drop.

And yeah, you can choose not to use it at all.....but I'd be a bit wary.

 

[Ecstatic]

It's for the next round, though. Not the one he's playing it in. If he opts to play it now, it will take effect in R4.

ETA In other words, he'll be 5th in the picking order regardless - the way it works is that it effectively cancels out the true box for that round and replaces it with whatever box he picks. So, the whole round becomes a one-box affair for everyone involved, including himself. So, in order to play it effectively, he has to make sure he has nothing to lose directly from playing it.

The best he can hope for is to do damage to as many managers as possible without taking a hit himself - and the longer he waits, the more complicated that assessment becomes: He has to go through the rosters to check who would lose who, etc. And make sure he hasn't fecked up in terms of his own roster.

And, again, on the flipside - the earlier he plays it, the easier it will be for the affected managers to recover.

He can hit himself?

 

[2mufc0]

Falcao.

Could someone update the list please.

 

[prtk0811]

Played Monopoly? This is fantasy Monopoly with football related boxes

Unfortunately no, never heard of it.