The RedCafe Boxing Thread
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It's a shame both these fights have been tainted by controversy as they've been great tear ups.
Definitely a premature stoppage but like the first froch/groves I felt the writing was on the wall somewhat. I think ward had turned the momentum and would've finished it either way not long after.
But yeah a definite shame, it really needs a part 3 but that'll never happen
Definitely a premature stoppage but like the first froch/groves I felt the writing was on the wall somewhat. I think ward had turned the momentum and would've finished it either way not long after.
But yeah a definite shame, it really needs a part 3 but that'll never happen
Jesus Christ! Ref is right there as well. That's mental.
If the referee ain't helping you out like he should.....help yourself out otherwise well, you lose. Experience. If he dq's you for the same thing, then well, yeah.
Wow, just watched this now. Reminds of Buster Douglas Boxing on the Megadrive- you could get away with 2-3 low blows, depending on the ref, and they battered your opponent's energy. After that after the bell knockout fiasco earlier, sad another night of boxing ends in the same old controversy bollocks.
Fwiw, I thought Ward fought a canny fight (when keeping it legal) and agree Kovalev seemed to be looking for a respectable out.
Fwiw, I thought Ward fought a canny fight (when keeping it legal) and agree Kovalev seemed to be looking for a respectable out.
So much salt. Loving every moment of this... and I'm not even a Ward fan.
Kovalev was pretty fecked from cross before the low blows, his legs looked to have gone and for me he was looking for a way out. It's a shame the fight ended like that I guess but Ward would of ended it soon after in my opinion.
I felt a bit sorry for Kovalev... the reality is, Weeks should have given Kovalev a minute or two to recover after that low blow and probably should have taken a point off Ward as he'd been warned already earlier in the fight. At that point he'd likely have recovered from the right hand which hurt him earlier in the round and would be up on the cards or maybe about level. Obviously it was a point in the fight where Ward was starting to take over but still, as Paulie said on comms... let the fighters decide the outcome.
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Boxing is scored round by round and Castillo did litttle to nothing in the first 5 round. Lederman couldn't properly score a fight to save his life.
The amassed bodywork took its toll, but the 6-7 lowblows had no impact on Kovalev´s energy or concentration.
Why don´t you wake the missus and tell her to punch you in the balls six times in quick succession as hard as she can and then you come back to post her within 30 seconds of it.
There's a misunderstanding of the low blow rule on this thread. If the belt is high, ie above the belly button then it's not a low blow if he lands on the belt. That's where most of the blows landed.
Listen to the explanation after this fight where a similar punch finishes the fight:
Most top fighters do but you're wrong about the number of low blows, the beltline was fair play, ref will have stated it from the beggining.
Borderline low blows are a pretty standard tactic, look Prime Hopkins, Pedroza, Jack Dempsey for worse
I also has Floyd winning the first five rounds of that fight. Floyd's never been close to winning less than 7 rounds in a fight tbh.
If they aren't below the belly button they're legal and they look pretty much on that line.
Ward did better this fight and Kovalev didn't look the same guy for the most part but still thought he led (though he was fading) and the "knockout" really has to detract from Ward's win. I mean, come on it was blatant and had it been the opposite way I think Kovalev would have been tossed out of there or at least lost a point and a 5-minute rest. Overall, ugly fight and uglier outcome.
I don´t need a lecture of the rules of boxing, but there seems to be a problem, that could have various reasons. You have badsight, a bad TV picture or your fingers have bullshiteritis.
Yes you do because there clearly don't understand what a low blow is, watch the video link explaining it. Either that or you have a bad case of bitter fanboyitis and looking for excuses.
The final shot that Ward lands before the referee steps in is 100% a low blow... it's beneath the belt line. Whether shots before that were low is neither here nor there really unless we're talking about points deductions. At that point the ref, if applying the rules correctly, should halt the fight and give Kovalev adequate time to recover... even if it meant two or three mins. It would have admittedly let Kovalev off the hook who was still hurt from the right hand and body shots earlier in the round, but that's Ward's problem as he shouldn't have landed low.
I have no preference for either fighter, but the referee messed up and failed to apply the rules which is a shame. I would have liked to have seen the fight come to a non-controversial conclusion.
I prefer Ward to Kovalev but the last punch was low. Most the others I agree were either legal or debatable. As I said after the fight I think Kovalev wanted out from early in the fight and a lot of the "low" shots were him playing up to it and looking for time or a way out where he wouldn't lose. He just didn't seem up for the fight at all really.
Agreed the last blow was a little low, not in the balls but low none the less and yes Kovalev should of been given time to recover by the rule book. The poster I was replying to claimed there were 6+ low blows, which is bollox.
As for the referee I imagine his priority was checking on Kovalev's state, ie look after his safety. Either that or maybe he was biased or maybe thought the last blow wasn't low from his position.
RJJs take on the fight:
The Benavidez vs Medina fight was a great watch, worth YouTubing for anyone who hasn't seen it.
Good fight this, Garcia is a beast and has a bright future but I think Broner might surprise a few people if he's motivated.
Crikey, Kell Brook now back in training following surgery on his eye socket. Hearn said he's lining up a comeback fight in December.
He's gonna do some serious damage, needs protecting from himself. I said it at the time and I stand by it for all the praise Hearn gets for putting on big fights he doesn't give a feck about the fighters welfare really, he portrays this image of being their mate etc but the potential harm he's doing to Brook at the moment is ludicrous and it all started with the GGG fight that should of never happened.
Benn and Collins agree to have a third fight.
A 53 year old v a 52 year old. Unlikely to see that get a licence.
A 53 year old v a 52 year old. Unlikely to see that get a licence.
Some countries boxing comission will give them a license. Wasn't it Haye vs. Chisora that was sanctioned by Malta or something?
Yeah I agree- the GGG fight was only ever going to end one way. Crazy for Brook to fight again.
Brooks matchmaking and Hearn's inability to get him good fights for so long became his undoing. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but he had no business going directly to GGG then having a surgery then shedding the weight and fighting Spence. Really should have been able to get the Vargas fight last summer, part unify and then either get Thurman or move up to 154 as a unified champion. From Porter to GGG he got nothing done and I think he's one of the better British fighters based on skill, talent and guts in recent years.
Yeah I said at the time with the GGG stuff in this thread in terms of result it was no lose for Brook.
Hearn was promoting it as "Everyone is scared of GGG" so Brook came across looking brave stepping up a weight class fighting him whilst the likes of Canelo etc didn't even entertain the fight at the time. Hearn could promote Brook as the brave hero who tried what everyone was scared to do and that's exactly what he did after the fight. In the meantime it was always going to damage his career and it's proven that it has. Terrible matchmaking really.
Rigondeaux trying to goad Lomachenko into a fight via Twitter.
If that happens...
x infinity
If that happens...
x infinityPotential to be the best fight ever. There was talk of this getting made post match after Rigondeaux's latest win.Rigondeaux trying to goad Lomachenko into a fight via Twitter.
If that happens...
For the casuals, it will be horrible. For the purists...
Also, Rigondeaux's last win was changed into a no contest! Which I agree with.
Rigondeaux is all talk. He "called out" Lomachenko twice before and then had all crazy demands like Lomachenko come down to silly catchweights and crazy money demands which is the same as ducking but saving face calling out the man to stay relevant. He's doing it again now. Don't believe for a minute he's serious. He hasn't beaten a ranked opponent in like 4 years and nobody cares about him so just trying to drum some interest for the next time he fights a bum. He's usually Lomachenko's name to market himself much like Saunders has done with Golovkin.
Not gonna happen this year anyway. Lomachenko v Marriaga announced for 5th August.
Also Crawford v Indongo on 19th August...
I know. I'm gonna go ringside for Lomachenko fight. It's basically just down the street from my house.Not gonna happen this year anyway. Lomachenko v Marriaga announced for 5th August.
Also Crawford v Indongo on 19th August...
I think both Crawford and Lomachenko will fight a 3rd fight this year. Crawford-Indongo is great news all 4 belts on the line.
Pac man loses and should retire on that performance, well done to Horn, done what had to be done, it was a scrappy but entertaining fight.
Pacquiao got screwed. 117-111 wtf.
The ref was about to stop the match in the 9th. Horn was doing a lot of huffing and puffing but landed no significant punches.
The ref was about to stop the match in the 9th. Horn was doing a lot of huffing and puffing but landed no significant punches.
And horn came out in the 10th and probably won that round, he had at least 5 of the first 6 rounds in my books.
Can't believe the yanks had pac up after 4 when he had done nothing.