What a strange, strange thread.
England should get a 5th CL spot
- Thread starter Smoking_Owl
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feck it, why stop at 5, lets just put all 20 teams in there and allow the Barca, Madrid, Bayern and Juventus in to make up the numbers.
Didn't they have to change the rules recently because English clubs were doing so shit in Europe that we were in danger of losing the fourth place to Italy?
I don't know why I'm asking this as a question because the answer is yes.
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...xplained-what-it-means-for-the-premier-league
I don't know why I'm asking this as a question because the answer is yes.
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...xplained-what-it-means-for-the-premier-league
Hate the fact that it's 4. It should be just champions. Change the name to top 4 league.
beat me to it. I would only add "and where can I get some"
May be not this year. Eventually in next 5 years, PL clubs will again dominate CL. Real, Barca strong showing are result of big money invested in players and big contracts for keeping them over the years due to the huge TV money they got which others don't. PL clubs now gets huge TV money. Eventuality will happen, wait and see.
Regarding OP, First let them show that they are worth 4 spots by holding on to it.
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Does the op have any metric to show that 5th place deserves a spot? Or is it just subjective "these are good teams missing out" stuff?
In lieu of same I think the title should be awarded to everyone in the top four. Seems unfair to me that only 1st place gets it.
In lieu of same I think the title should be awarded to everyone in the top four. Seems unfair to me that only 1st place gets it.
Seriously though. I could understand this idea when all of the participating PL teams were regularly storming the semifinals, and PL-only finals were the rule, so that the PL 5th could be seen as a serious contender for the title. As it is, we'd just swap one mediocre team for another, based on... something.
Don't get me involved in this crap!
If teams from 5th to 8th positions are so amazingly strong, they can make it into Champions League by fecking winning Europa League, which by the way United did last season. If they cannot win that, then they clearly AREN'T better than their equivalents from other leagues.
yup
Let's discuss it when it happens then? Currently there's feck all basis or need for any of this.
I'd rather we have less than we already do, let other countries have some teams in instead of having to qualify.
No more than 3 per country should be the limit.
No more than 3 per country should be the limit.
Without even reading the replies so far..
English teams have been (on the whole) pretty unremarkable in Europe for the past 4 or 5 years. What justification could UEFA possibly have for giving 5 spots to the PL?
I mean aside from Liverpool making the EL final last year and United winning the EL this year, there's been feck all to gloat over since Chelsea fluked the CL in 2012.
English teams have been (on the whole) pretty unremarkable in Europe for the past 4 or 5 years. What justification could UEFA possibly have for giving 5 spots to the PL?
I mean aside from Liverpool making the EL final last year and United winning the EL this year, there's been feck all to gloat over since Chelsea fluked the CL in 2012.
We do not talk about this.
And given the transfer fees this Summer so are the major European leagues now as they are getting most of it.
Not sure about that. PL clubs have been spending the money very poorly recently. Need to start building coherent teams to have a chance to dominate. The crazy market though I think may actually make it harder for big continental clubs to build good teams as well. I think it have resulted in some drop in quality among say Barcelona and Bayern. It have suited Real Madrid well who both have the money and a good squad structure.
Most clubs now can't afford to have many world class players. Remember us under 2008/2009 having Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez and Berbatov. 4 world class strikers which you don't see teams having now.
When Messi and Ronaldo quit I can see the CL becoming more even and unpredictable with PL teams being up fighting for it more again though.
Italy will claw back a 4th spot before a 5th spot is ever granted to any country.
If you're not good enough to finish in the top 4, then you can't argue about being excluded.
If you're not good enough to finish in the top 4, then you can't argue about being excluded.
Are you serious?? It's what's fecking killing the Premier League. Imagine prioritising a 5th place finish over cup competition and trophies. Feck that. I'd be happy if it was only 3 places, let alone 4, regardless of where United finished each season.
If they are good enough to win, so what? Not that there won't be pretenders from other nations, like today. At least they'll win the competition I care about. And I suspect title challenges in domestic leagues across the Europe will be more fiercer and interesting. Most importantly, in England.
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England should be downgraded to 3 spots to be quite frank.
3 not 4 would be better. The league would be even more competitive than it is now. 5 is absolutely ridiculous why do you think they deserve another extra team?
This thread reminds me of that Father Ted episode where they are on the plane thats running out of fuel and the priests have to give the reasons why they deserve the parachutes:
Father Joe Briefly: I think I should get the parachute because I'm great. In fact, I think I should get both the parachutes, in case one of them doesn't work! [disapproving grumbles from the other priests]
Father Ted: Not a popular one, Joe.
Father Joe Briefly: I think I should get the parachute because I'm great. In fact, I think I should get both the parachutes, in case one of them doesn't work! [disapproving grumbles from the other priests]
Father Ted: Not a popular one, Joe.
So, the 2nd place team from Spain(Barca or Real) are pretenders compared to team finishing 1st in some obscure European league?
Apart from the fact that no club or league automatically "deserves" anything, it would actually make things boring. If say, we were out of the title race by December, atleast a top 4 battle would be something to look forward to. 5 CL places would imply a 90% chance of never missing out on CL despite shite performances.
Let's win things the hard way by competing.
Let's win things the hard way by competing.
This.
wtf? Fair? Isn't it all based on a point scoring system?No. What I meant, PSG and Bayern wont have it easy as you might've imagined, as there'll also be pretenders for the CL win in other clubs, like Barcelona, us or Milan for instance.
And in this imagined Champions League, with 16 spots, there probably won't be a lot of clubs from obscure European leagues.
England are lucky to still have 4 CL spots tbh.
Spain should get 6
Germany 4
Italy 4
England 3
France 3
Germany 4
Italy 4
England 3
France 3
Out of interest, how did you come to these numbers?
wtf is this
?We suck in the UCL every year but want an extra spot? We should count our blessings we even have 4 spots with how shite England have been in the UCL recently
Why stop there though.
United have so much money eventually they are gonna hammer all challengers and dominate the champions league. So in light of that, there should be a rule that they get another go at it if they get knocked out this year.
United have so much money eventually they are gonna hammer all challengers and dominate the champions league. So in light of that, there should be a rule that they get another go at it if they get knocked out this year.
As others have said they are lucky to get 4 teams. I think they only deserve 3 teams at the moment. They have been awful for years in the CL, nobody has close to winning it in ages. Just because the premier league is popular, competitive and has big financial backing doesn't mean they are the best side's in Europe.
Why not 6 spots? It would be unfair that the top 6 can't qualify.
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Probably 7 spots because it would be unfair that clubs outside the top 6 can never get into CL because the places are always trusted by the top 6.
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Probably 7 spots because it would be unfair that clubs outside the top 6 can never get into CL because the places are always trusted by the top 6.
That's some good shit you're smoking Mr Owl.
Instead of discussing what should happen perhaps we can take a look of what will happen.
Because starting in 2018/2019, the big four associations (England, Italy, Spain, Germany) will each have 4 teams qualifying automatically for the Champions League, no more qualifiers for third placed teams in Italy and the same for the fourth placed teams in England, Spain and Germany.
A total of 16 spots equally divided between four associations. Understandable, since they contain the teams who draw the biggest audiences. Perhaps not all that fair for all other associations though, but it is what it is. I think they've planned it to work like this for three seasons, at least to 2020/2021.
There'll also be a new kick-off time for some matches, if my memory serves me right. And that's not just the ones in Russia.
Finally. Too many good matches simultaneously in the past and too much shitty quality in the tournament overall.
Because starting in 2018/2019, the big four associations (England, Italy, Spain, Germany) will each have 4 teams qualifying automatically for the Champions League, no more qualifiers for third placed teams in Italy and the same for the fourth placed teams in England, Spain and Germany.
A total of 16 spots equally divided between four associations. Understandable, since they contain the teams who draw the biggest audiences. Perhaps not all that fair for all other associations though, but it is what it is. I think they've planned it to work like this for three seasons, at least to 2020/2021.
There'll also be a new kick-off time for some matches, if my memory serves me right. And that's not just the ones in Russia.
Finally. Too many good matches simultaneously in the past and too much shitty quality in the tournament overall.