They've never met Dany and have been told there will be a way to stop the dragons. The promise of an upgrade in status of their houses helps also.
Wait there isnt? I thought that there was just no proof that Snow was their son. There is no record of their marriage either?
Not so far as we know in the show/books, Lyanna was commonly believed to be abducted by Rhaegar, however
DAMMIT. So tempted to look at that spoiler.
Oddly the death of Myracella was all part of an eye for an eye cycle.
But didnt Ser Barristan say a couple of seasons ago how noble and kind Rhaegar was? That abduction story is false isnt it?
Most likely.
It is widely accepted among the fanbase that they eloped, but most of the Seven Kingdom believed Rhaegar abducted Lyanna. Robert most of all of course, he believed Rhaegar raped the girl to death.
And as has been said, those who win can write history.
Nah we definitely saw Silence at the front of the Greyjoy fleet. I'm not complaining as I thought it was a strong episode. The teleport is in full force though.
Yeah I think those scrolls that Sam has to go through, he will definitely find something regarding Jon Snow.And as has been said, those who win can write history.
Unless theres a warg and a Sam to find out the actual truth
And I'm sure the maester wanted him to find it
It might turn out to that there will never be direct proof in a scroll. It will come down to the story being told to Jon and others, information being filled in by some others who know part or all of the story and then those it is being told to are left with a decision to believe it or stick with the whole kidnap story. It will likely depend on the characters own biases, and what they want to believe. It has been hinted or shown that there are a few who know the truth of the Jon's lineage, so far they have kept the secret.
There is no way anyone would believe that Snow is a Targaryen without proof because that would mean he is the rightful heir to the throne of the Seven Kingdoms. Also this hinting business - who would you reckon know or kinda have an idea? Meisters keep proof of every raven message, as said earlier in the show. Someone must have sent a raven somewhere that Lyanna had given birth.
Those are part of the plot and not an excuse for sloppy writing. The reason that the show has been so good is because the writing has been excellent despite the fact that their are dragons and people coming back from the dead.there are dragons and people come back from the dead
I thought the scene was really good. I like the fact that they didn't get along the moment they saw each other. They have both been through too much to trust that easily.
I wonder if Jon himself might have a problem with it. The reveal would result in him finding out his paternal grandfather burnt his other grandfather alive, and that his own father still sided with that man. I can see him being quite disillusioned after finding out, and almost wishing Ned was his dad.
TBF, whilst I agree the dialogue and writing is not as good as the first four seasons, I think a lot of nit picking happens on this forum (and across the internet). I think most peoplpe who actually just watch it enjoy it and see it as a phenomenon. Its not confusing like Lost and some things are kept simple. I think plot conveniences do happen but its mostly to advance story which would otherwise be left in a lull if it was done in the same pace as the earlier seasons.
I dont really focus on the whiners. I just brush past it. I like the conversations I have with people here.This thread kind of ruins the show for me
I was a much happier GoT fan boy until I started reading this thread.
Oh damn, didnt even think of that. Thats quite messed up thing to have hanging over you (and thats despite coming back from the dead)
I have a feeling LF might know (though his interactions with Jon this season are kinda out of character for him - I would have thought he would try to butter up to him openly but sneakily position Sansa to take over behind his back).
Not sure how or what these two know about HISTORY per say. Like they have ears all over the realm CURRENTLY, but going back to the past, I am not sure how well they know that part.
Who is the other one? Madking was his grandfather and Ned fought to overthrow him right?
Well to be clear they mentioned one Maester who kept a record of every raven, let's not jump to conclusions about all of them being so good at records keeping. Plus you know scrolls get destroyed by nature, fire, etc. And did you watch the show when they showed Lyanna right after she gave birth? You can not assume anyone sent a raven anywhere announcing any such birth. It might have happened, it might not. Certainly Ned would have tried to block anyone sending word, but he might have failed at that.
Madking burnt lyanna's father.
Yeah Ned fought against the mad king in the rebellion that took place after the mad king burnt Ned's father and the "kidnapping" of Lyanna.
Yeah...compared to your dad making one mistake, him running away from his wife with someone he's rumoured to have abducted, and then continuing to fight against your family after his dad's slaughtered them is a bit fecked up. Daenerys was being a bit of an entitled shit in that episode there.
Who did the Madking over throw to become the King or does history not go so far back? Was he always in power?
The Targaryens had been in power for a couple of centuries after Aegon the Conqueror took the Seven Kingdoms. The Mad King was just next in line after his dad died.
I'd think Jon would understand why Rhaegar fought for the Targs.
Makes so much sense now. Cheers!
He'd understand why, but he's still going to be completely pissed that his dad was fighting for the person who slaughtered his family. It's a bit of a fecked up situation for him, and Daenerys demanding he bend the knee is kind of insulting.
