Wait so children of kings get preference to become rulers even if the king had siblings right? Thats why the Stark children are rulers and not Benjin Stark.
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Yes, same as the monarchy in Britain and most countries. First-born (son usually) is at the head, then the other kids afterwards, and then goes to siblings.
Kinda confused again. Let me see if I got this right:
Madking killed Brandon Stark (brother of Ned) and Rickard Stark (dad of Ned) for going against Rhaegar "kidnapping" their sister/daughter. Then the rebellion full on started and Robert and Ned teamed up to overthrow the Madking and suceeded? Is that right?
They'd have to march for a long time, watch the show now famous for time travelling now refuse to do it with the unsullied because it doesn't fit the plot point haha
I agree that most of the fast forward is used to move the plot forward. Some of it can be really jarring though. The way the Lannisters marched an army across the Reach without anybody noticing for one thing. Then taking the capital of the Reach without a siege compounded on that.
Overall I thought it was a great episode but the way they handled the destruction of one of the great houses was poor. The scene between The Queen of Thrones and Jaime made up for that though as I thought that was very well done.
I really liked the scene between Dani and Jon I thought that played out really well.
Well of course. Or worse they match all the way and get to Dragonstone only to find out that Dany has gone elsewhere.
He's not a particularly big fan of the god she worships.
Ah, I'd forgotten about that, gotcha
Yeah sort of like real life monarchies.
Yes, that's correct. Rickard was Lord of Winterfell; Brandon was next in line. Both of them getting killed resulted in Ned becoming Lord. Robert joined Ned in rebellion because both of them were good friends from their time spent at the Vale, under the stewardship of Jon Arryn, who therefore joined them as well, committing three houses to the cause.
Also is it wishful thinking on my part that to think the ships that Stannis lent Jon to save the Wildlings would come in handy at some point?
Probably because the unsullied's fight to get back to Dany will be interesting while an army just marching a long distance for days and days is not.
At this point the show is going to move at a certain pace, that's the way it is. Complaining about it every week is sort of pointless.
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Oh cause when you said in your previous post that his "dad" was fighting for the person that slaughtered his family, I thought you were referring to Ned and that confused me but you were referring to Rhaegar?
Well slaughtered is a bit off. The correct term is cooked.
And the realisation that he has the same bloke's blood flowing in his veins as well
Yes, referring to Rhaegar there.
Maybe.
I didn't really think about it till now but it's interesting how the two war generals facing off are Jaime and Tyrion. They are otherwise very close, and I really hope we get to see them meet at some point because the interactions between them would be immense.
But why wouldnt Rhaegar fight for the Madking though? After all he WAS his dad. Also this whole war came out only because he eloped with Lyanna.
Is Tyrion really a war general though? The guy Dany left behind in Mereen and Jorah were the war generals. Right now isnt Grey worm technically the general?
Rhaegar most likely was fighting for the girl if anything. He intended to call a council and depose Aerys or get himself as Regent before he went to the Trident to fight Robert. The war could have been ended if Lyanna was returned, a compensation paid and a Targaryen hostage or two to House Stark/Baratheon.
This show is so complex and so interesting it needs to go in the history books. Like kids need to learn about this story in school.
I wouldn't say he's a general in the sense that's he in control of the army, but he does seem to be the one calling the shots as to where everyone should be deployed. I would say Grey Worm is more like the commander on the battlefield as he makes the decisions of who he's leading. Casterly Rock for example was a direct Jaime vs Tyrion show in which Jaime outwitted the inexperienced Tyrion. I actually think that if Jorah is to make it back, he could be the turning factor. which is why there's a lot of emphasis on him being cured in the last couple of episodes.
Naturally he'd fight for his father but if you're Jon, you'd still be pissed.
I hope you didn't pick up undertones of complaint from my comment you truly negative man
Probably will be the least of his worries when he finds out though, just finding out who he is will be enough of a burden I think. Not to mention that if it becomes widespread knowledge the problems it could cause him in the North. he is still half stark, but not Ned's son, so it could be an issue for some of the Northern Lords.
But shouldnt he be more pissed that his father was the main cause for his grandfather killing his mom's brother and grandfather rather than his dad fighting for the madking? Then again he wouldnt have been born if his father didnt elope with Lyanna. Played myself there!
Martin did a massive amount of research for this series and you wouldnt believe the minutiate complexities and factual representation of medieval life, economy and warfare present in the books. All the big events/battles in the books have historical parallels. From the obvious one like War of the Rose to the smaller one like the McDonald clan's massacre (Red Wedding)This show is so complex and so interesting it needs to go in the history books. Like kids need to learn about this story in school.
If you can spare about half an hour or so, I highly recommend reading 'Down and out in Westeros'. It's freely available on pdf form, doesnt include any spoilers and is a very enlightening read on Martin's representation of Westerosi economy.
Cheers. Will definitely check it out sometime soon.
oh dear, that title probably fits a few others here more than me.
But no it was more a general comment about the ongoing discussion of the timing.
I thought that he had only hired the ships from those pirates?
Pretty sure Stannis lent him his fleet because he was marching on foot to Winterfell.
Aye that was brilliant timing!
Wasnt LF around when Jons biological dad went and took Neds sister (he might have known that it wasnt a straight out kidnapping and they were in love with each other). And with her giving birth and with Ned coming back with a kid at the same time, he put 2 and 2 together? Dunno. From his earlier scenes in the show it seems like he knows more than hes letting on.
Varys not so sure, but he was around during the MadKing rule and if he had his little birds around the same time, he would have known given how he happens to make it his business to know everything.
TBF, everything Dany said was kinda true. Shes been through a lot of shit too and this is just since the show started. lol. Shes done a hell of a job to get a huge army or two to back her claim.
I get that, I really do. But at least you can see the positives as well.
The only thing id add now with regards to nobody noticing is, maybe the ones who would have turned? And it helped the set up.
For all we know, the siege didnt take a day. The ravens that might have been sent could have been killed (ala Theon doing that in s2?). Or are there even any ravens to send? Its possible Dany doesnt even know yet whilst it was going on (as stupid as that sounds
)Anyway, I get it requires a lot of explaining but imo, sometimes it doesnt and you just go with it.
For me, some seem hell bent on picking apart some of the negatives rather than enjoying the positives and there were a lot imo in the last episode. If felt like the game of thrones was indeed being played. But I think @RDCR07 put it best - dont focus on the whiners, and focus on the actual conversations
Jamie pretty much said that right? Might need to rewatch but I think he implied or said they are stuck and essentially would need to march through the lands which would occupy them for ages.
Danys idea was to take her dragons and burn all the ships of Eurons. I could see her pushing moreso for that now.
Wasnt LF around when Jons biological dad went and took Neds sister (he might have known that it wasnt a straight out kidnapping and they were in love with each other). And with her giving birth and with Ned coming back with a kid at the same time, he put 2 and 2 together? Dunno. From his earlier scenes in the show it seems like he knows more than hes letting on.
Varys not so sure, but he was around during the MadKing rule and if he had his little birds around the same time, he would have known given how he happens to make it his business to know everything.
TBF, everything Dany said was kinda true. Shes been through a lot of shit too and this is just since the show started. lol. Shes done a hell of a job to get a huge army or two to back her claim.
I get that, I really do. But at least you can see the positives as well.
The only thing id add now with regards to nobody noticing is, maybe the ones who would have turned? And it helped the set up.
For all we know, the siege didnt take a day. The ravens that might have been sent could have been killed (ala Theon doing that in s2?). Or are there even any ravens to send? Its possible Dany doesnt even know yet whilst it was going on (as stupid as that sounds
Anyway, I get it requires a lot of explaining but imo, sometimes it doesnt and you just go with it.
For me, some seem hell bent on picking apart some of the negatives rather than enjoying the positives and there were a lot imo in the last episode. If felt like the game of thrones was indeed being played. But I think @RDCR07 put it best - dont focus on the whiners, and focus on the actual conversations
Jamie pretty much said that right? Might need to rewatch but I think he implied or said they are stuck and essentially would need to march through the lands which would occupy them for ages.
Danys idea was to take her dragons and burn all the ships of Eurons. I could see her pushing moreso for that now.
I think she has to retake Highgarden. With the gold running out in the Westerlands it is the real seat of power left in Westeros.
Maybe. I also think she needs to make a strong union with North, more so, now that shes lost all other allies.
At this point she only really needs to defeat Cersei. If the Lannister army is destroyed then the Reach lords will defect.
I think even if someone places the script in front of me right now I wont read it. I just wanna see it all happen on the screen.
I don't want to know but I realise that this will be everywhere before next Monday.
Dont think Highgarden is/should be a priority. She bloody cant go to Kings Landing cause she doesnt have the ships or the men. She needs to ally with the North ASAP.
She has to somehow defeat Euron and his fleet outside of Kings Landing. Because if she was to hit KL, then there is a chance her dragons can die with those fecking huge crossbows. That coupled with going up with Lannister plus the Greyjoys would be hard. So if she somehow defeats Euron at sea, then when she hits KL even if her dragons die, her dothraki and the North can defeat Cersei.