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The Fallout series has to be one of the most overrated franchises.

Fallout 3 is a brown/grey boreathon.

New Vegas is slightly better but still overall a dull game.

Fallout 4 can't decide what it wants to be and has shallow mechanics.
 

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@GhastlyHun Out of interest, can you elaborate on what you mean when you suggest Skyrim doesnt have working roleplaying mechanics?

Im actually quite new to this genre, Skyrim was my first. Dragons Age definitely felt a lot closer to the roleplaying games I used to play outside of computer games as a kid, but I still thought Skyrim was excellent. Just curious to understand your criticism of it better.
Well, in Skyrim you have a "class" (i.e. a differentiated character) only for a few hours, sooner or later everyone can do everything. In the original Fallout games and New Vegas, the character you create has a lot more impact on the way you play, as character attributes will be altered only a little over the entirety of the game, and skills should be chosen accordingly. Your bookish stealthy scientist guy will not be on par with the grunting melee brute in close combat even at the end of the game. Your in-game character therefore feels a lot more like a distinctive person whose role you are playing. Additionally, Fallout 1,2, and NV also come with optional character "traits" - special modifiers with both positive and negative consequences for you, which are persistent over the whole game, to make your character even more unique. You can for example be more agile at the expense of becoming more squishy, i.e., higher risk of receiving crippled limbs for +1 Agility, or you can deal more damage but be less persuasive and charismatic.
And then, there are the perks you can unlock every two levels based on your attributes and skills, many of which also bend the rules of the game a lot and change what your character can do - sometimes they give you new dialogue options. The last point goes for all the attributes and skills as well, not only persuasion is used in dialogue checks. The game reacts to so many things you do with you character in different ways.
 

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Sorry Im being dumb but you are going to have to simplify it even more. Maybe that's apt, you have to dumb down your posts for me, and I like Skyrim, which also dumbs things down.

But I dont really get what you mean by dumbing down. As in the quests arent intellectually taxing enough?
It's just people trying to win Internet points because the level up screen doesn't require you to have a PhD to understand.

There's a reason Skyrim is one of the most popular RPGs ever, because it's accessible. For some reason there a real snobbery in the gaming community about "dumbing" down games.
 

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Well, in Skyrim you have a "class" (i.e. a differentiated character) only for a few hours, sooner or later everyone can do everything. In the original Fallout games and New Vegas, the character you create has a lot more impact on the way you play, as character attributes will be altered only a little over the entirety of the game, and skills should be chosen accordingly. Your bookish stealthy scientist guy will not be on par with the grunting melee brute in close combat even at the end of the game. Your in-game character therefore feels a lot more like a distinctive person whose role you are playing. Additionally, Fallout 1,2, and NV also come with optional character "traits" - special modifiers with both positive and negative consequences for you, which are persistent over the whole game, to make your character even more unique. You can for example be more agile at the expense of becoming more squishy, i.e., higher risk of receiving crippled limbs for +1 Agility, or you can deal more damage but be less persuasive and charismatic.
And then, there are the perks you can unlock every two levels based on your attributes and skills, many of which also bend the rules of the game a lot and change what your character can do - sometimes they give you new dialogue options. The last point goes for all the attributes and skills as well, not only persuasion is used in dialogue checks. The game reacts to so many things you do with you character in different ways.
OK thanks, that makes a lot of sense. I can totally see that about Skyrim. DAI was also much better in that regard.
 

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For me the Assasins Creed genre has been a huge let down. The 1st game laid the path for what could have been the greatest genre ever with story line, moving physics and everything. Number 2 though was such a big let down and it just got worse.
 

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It's just people trying to win Internet points because the level up screen doesn't require you to have a PhD to understand.

There's a reason Skyrim is one of the most popular RPGs ever, because it's accessible. For some reason there a real snobbery in the gaming community about "dumbing" down games.
It probably was the perfect "entry level" RPG for me but yeah, I loved it.

Has anybody said Mass Effect? I'm saying it.
As the most overrated game? Not sure but thanks as I have been considering buying it.
 

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For me the Assasins Creed genre has been a huge let down. The 1st game laid the path for what could have been the greatest genre ever with story line, moving physics and everything. Number 2 though was such a big let down and it just got worse.
I cant remember which one I first played but it was all around medieval Italy - Venice and Florence etc. I think that was II?

I absolutely loved that one, thought it was fantastic. Loved climbing and running on rooftops etc.

Then I played the one in America with the battleships and didnt think that was as good, but it was OK.

Then recently played the one in London and thought that was pretty disappointing to be honest.
 

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The Fallout series has to be one of the most overrated franchises.

Fallout 3 is a brown/grey boreathon.

New Vegas is slightly better but still overall a dull game.

Fallout 4 can't decide what it wants to be and has shallow mechanics.
Since you are talking about the Fallout franchise - do you even know Fallout 1 and 2? (Disregarding Fallout Tactics, as it's not canon and another type of game)
 

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Since you are talking about the Fallout franchise - do you even know Fallout 1 and 2? (Disregarding Fallout Tactics, as it's not canon and another type of game)
I've played them, but should have been more clear, I mean modern Fallout.

What I have played of the original they seem OK but a post apocalyptic setting isn't the most inspiring and they lost my interest.

Personally just don't think that setting suits an RPG.
 

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Well, I'll have you know that Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas are among the best RPGs made to this day :p
 

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I've played them, but should have been more clear, I mean modern Fallout.

What I have played of the original they seem OK but a post apocalyptic setting isn't the most inspiring and they lost my interest.

Personally just don't think that setting suits an RPG
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I have been trying to put my finger on exactly what I dont like about Fallout 4, as I figured if I could define it, it would help me decide whether it might get better with time. And I definitely think you are onto something here. Having been running around fighting dragons and demons in Skyrim, wandering around scrapping metal and concrete from derelict houses did feel like a bit of a comedown.

I dont think its that alone, but it is definitely a part of it.
 

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Having said that, I did find walking around the neighbourhood scrapping all the houses and cars and lamp-posts, and then fortifying the area around my base, pretty much the most interesting thing I could find to do.
 

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Sorry Im being dumb but you are going to have to simplify it even more. Maybe that's apt, you have to dumb down your posts for me, and I like Skyrim, which also dumbs things down.

But I dont really get what you mean by dumbing down. As in the quests arent intellectually taxing enough?
Well, for example, Morrowind doesn't have quest markers telling you where to go. You have to work that out for yourself. Whereas in Skyrim, you are signposted to the precise place that you need to go on every quest. Does that make sense?
 

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I have been trying to put my finger on exactly what I dont like about Fallout 4, as I figured if I could define it, it would help me decide whether it might get better with time. And I definitely think you are onto something here. Having been running around fighting dragons and demons in Skyrim, wandering around scrapping metal and concrete from derelict houses did feel like a bit of a comedown.

I dont think its that alone, but it is definitely a part of it.
Fallout definitely feels more of a grind, I also felt I couldn't just wander and discover the same way as in Elder Scrolls.

Also the resource management doesn't help in that regard.
 

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It's just people trying to win Internet points because the level up screen doesn't require you to have a PhD to understand.

There's a reason Skyrim is one of the most popular RPGs ever, because it's accessible. For some reason there a real snobbery in the gaming community about "dumbing" down games.
I hope you aren't referring to me. I like Skyrim.
 

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For me the Assasins Creed genre has been a huge let down. The 1st game laid the path for what could have been the greatest genre ever with story line, moving physics and everything. Number 2 though was such a big let down and it just got worse.
2 is my favourite one by far, though Black Flag isn't far off.
 

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God, I remember playing the Bard's Tale games on my Amiga back in the day. Things have certainly come a long way since then, but I used to absolutely love that game, while never really knowing whether I was getting anywhere in it or not.
 

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Having said that, I did find walking around the neighbourhood scrapping all the houses and cars and lamp-posts, and then fortifying the area around my base, pretty much the most interesting thing I could find to do.
Well. Based on that, New Vegas might or might not be your thing, since the scrapping and building stuff is not in there. ;)
(There is a lot of crafting, though. Gives you special ammo you can't find elsewhere, for example)
 

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Well. Based on that, New Vegas might or might not be your thing, since the scrapping and building stuff is not in there. ;)
(There is a lot of crafting, though. Gives you special ammo you can't find elsewhere, for example)
Only way to know is to try it I guess. I will - but probably not as my next game.

May look at Horizon. Also, Far Cry Primal, I quite liked 3 and 4.
 

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Does Horizon have guns? Presumably you can upgrade from that bow and arrow after a while?
Staff, bows and slingshots.

You get different types of ammo though which changes up the combat a bit.

I really liked Horizon but never finished it.
 

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I was thoroughly unimpressed by Dragon Age: Inquisition (after loving the first two). Tame, predictable storyline with numerous plot holes/weaknesses. Too much random map clutter. And the multiplayer - although not the primary focus of the game - was crap after they seemingly nailed it in Mass Effect 3.

Also, didnt think Skyrim was as good as folk made it out to be. Good game yes, but great? Not so sure.


On the Assassin's Creed games - the first one paved the way but was rather flawed. The Ezio trilogy (set in Italy) goes down as one of my favourite sets of games ever. After that it went downhill, although I did quite like Black Flag.

On Fallout - Fallout 3 was excellent I thought. New Vegas was also very good. 4 was a bit of a letdown for me - felt like it had been dumbed down too much, and the voice acting for the protagonist unfortunately killed the replay value (he just always sounds like a standup guy, hard to become immersed when playing anything else).
 
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I was thoroughly unimpressed by Dragon Age: Inquisition (after loving the first two). Tame, predictable storyline with numerous plot holes/weaknesses. Too much random map clutter. And the multiplayer - although not the primary focus of the game - was crap after they seemingly nailed it in Mass Effect 3.

Also, didnt think Skyrim was as good as folk made it out to be. Good game yes, but great? Not so sure.
I've seen a lot of criticism of DAI.

Part of it, and with Skyrim as well, is that I couldn't care less about the storyline. Anything good in that respect would be wasted on me, I tend to zone out in long cinematic sequences. I'm just about running around killing things and collecting materials to craft cool stuff and level up my character.
 

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Mass Effect 2 is overrated for me as well. I mean, I had a blast with it the first time, but then, when I thought the story would really kick off, it was just over. Without doing anything for the plotlines as laid out in the first game.
In retrospect, ME2 marks the beginning of the demise of the series, taking a turn away from SciFi themes, world building, and role-playing, towards mindless shooting and romancing the shit out of everything with legs.
(Needless to say, I didn't bother with ME3 after that.)
 

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Having said that, I did find walking around the neighbourhood scrapping all the houses and cars and lamp-posts, and then fortifying the area around my base, pretty much the most interesting thing I could find to do.
Taking this concept over to Skyrim would be great. Was by far the mist enjoyable aspect of Fallout 4 (although I do find the map itself to be decent) but yeah the thought of building your own Skyrim villages would be good fun - Dragons for security guards anyone!?