DomesticTadpole
Doom-monger obsessed with Herrera & the M.E.N.
I cannot believe how some are losing their minds over this game.Erm, we are in 2nd place. By definition, we are very close to the title.
I cannot believe how some are losing their minds over this game.Erm, we are in 2nd place. By definition, we are very close to the title.
Neither can I, it’s baffling imo.I cannot believe how some are losing their minds over this game.
No, of course I saw Herrera at Juanfield etc...that's not my point. Anfield is simply a different game for United players and they probably need to be at a higher level - in terms of character and temperament - than other games.You obviously never saw Herrera there last season or Juanfield. He had a bad game as did Matic. He certainly isn't a wimp.
Their beloved City team has never had a bad game so it's understandable.I cannot believe how some are losing their minds over this game.
Its genuinely bizarre.I cannot believe how some are losing their minds over this game.
Absolutely, because we are better than going to places with a veiw if securing a point.They were fine because they worked. The tactic was to go and secure a point. I myself would've went more attacking but I'm not the manager.
We were fecking appalling in that game too. Maybe the worst we've ever played in winning a big game, not that anyone gives a stuff when you win at Anfield.Its genuinely bizarre.
There's been more hand wringing about this fixture than games we've actually lost to poor sides.
I've read some amazing nonsense since Saturday. Fergie would've this, Fergie would've that. Between 2007/08 and 2012/13 we did not win at Anfield and we were routinely rubbish. Fernando Torres looked godlike against our best defensive pairing in the 21st century. Dirk Kuyt scored a hat-trick against us (in a season we won the title and got to the European Cup final!) Even when we did win in 2012/13 we were outplayed, fortunately Rafael scored a worldy and, out of nothing, Valencia ran the length of the pitch to win us a penalty that Van Persie scored.
Where is this idea that when Fergie was our manager we were amazing at Anfield? Go back to the start of the Premier League. We have had only a handful of great performances at Anfield. All the crying because we drew at the ground of our archrival. People need to calm down.
How are we the story when Chelsea, the Champions, just lost to a Palace team that couldn't buy a goal before now?
Too right. After we played really open and got spanked twice in a row, 2-0 and 3-1 back in 2001, Fergie never really went to Anfield all guns blazing ever again. Even the good games tended to be solid defensive performances where we were clinical from a small number of attacks, like when Rooney then Tevez scored the only goals in 1-0 wins. Some wins, like the Forlan win and the last minute O'Shea winner, came after really awful performances. Anfield has been a bogey ground for us for ages, this season is nothing new.Where is this idea that when Fergie was our manager we were amazing at Anfield? Go back to the start of the Premier League. We have had only a handful of great performances at Anfield. All the crying because we drew at the ground of our archrival. People need to calm down.![]()
He might have been, but both Henderson and Coutinho played more minutes in the last qualifier and they both started. In the end, Mourinho wanted a point, Rashford didn't fit in that plan, and Mourinho got the point.Rashford was tired from england duty because southgate kept playing him despite the qualification. He would have gotten an injury if he was overburnt . And martial has all the skills. He is just playing in a very different philosophy and systemto mbappe's which is not adaptible to his strenghts.
I think you forgot martial's first goal in english football?
Didn't realize that. I just thought that when Mourinho obviously didn't come to win, Rashford wasn't needed.Rashford was injured. Knock on international duty.
It's because a lot of people have been literally itching for an opportunity to put the boot in on the manager and have had precious little opportunity so far this season imho. Therefore the first real opportunity out it all spews.Its genuinely bizarre.
There's been more hand wringing about this fixture than games we've actually lost to poor sides.
We also seemed to get someone sent off, which thank god seems to have stopped.It's funny how times change, time was when a draw was a good result at Anfield, now, due to the pragmatic reputation of our Manager, it is fashionable to label the performance as 'park the bus' football....... may be 'park and ride' the pressure ?
anyway, I have been to Anfield on many occasions, seen us win, lose and draw, however, most of the games were tense, lacking in a lot of free flowing football, very rarely have we cruised to victory there, the two '3-1's in the late 90's the exception may be.
This is a match against our fiercest rivals, with a lot at stake, so understandably, the players are probably out of their comfort zone and have less time to play to their strengths than in most other games. So, although Liverpool aren't riding as high as they once were, they will always come out rocking for this one.
Conversely, if you think back to the 70's & 80's when we were the underdogs in this fixture against a team that was winning most things on a regular basis, our success against them belied our position in the pecking order, basically, Liverpool at that time were victims of United players giving their all.
Yes, we could have played better, yes, we were careless in the second half and we have to be disappointed that we could not have been more enterprising. But, sometimes you have to give the opposition a bit of credit for putting us under that pressure.
However, we came away with a point, now in all the times I have been a United fan, a draw there has never been a bad result. And, we earned more points than Chavski at Palace and the Bummers in Watford this weekend, how will they feel?
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I never heard him say it, & if did it would be an idiotic comment as Lukaku clearly didn't. Look at the incident at full speed then slowed down. Even slowed down it is clear he is unbalanced & touches him accidently. Lovren's comment is disappointing but not as bad as that German managerial clown who said maybe he deserved a red card. Give red cards for that, & most matches would end up with few players on the pitch.Is it true that Gary Nev said Lukaku deliberately stamped Lovren?
And did Scholes claim they should have got a penalty for the Herrera push?
It looks like it's play for a nil nil or get soundly beaten. No wonder he's reverted to the backs to the walls planTweet
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Looking at recent performances against the top six away (above) I seriously doubt it.Poor performance, good result, so take it and move on. Hope Mourinho learned something, like who is up for it in these kinds of fixtures and who isn't. Mkhitaryan was a passenger and Lingard might have been better.
Some people will accept boring as long as its successful. If I go to the match I would ideally like to be entertained. I don't think many people want to watch Man Utd play like Burnley ,successful or not.Look at the above results and then consider there's a big bunch of posters telling us there's nothing wrong with playing this way. What are they thinking?
It doesn't work and it's unbelievably boring.
It's not successful either so why folk defend it I don't know.Some people will accept boring as long as its successful. If I go to the match I would ideally like to be entertained. I don't think many people want to watch Man Utd play like Burnley ,successful or not.
It ain't just one game, Jose consistently is negative and fearful against top teams. Thats what people don't like.I cannot believe how some are losing their minds over this game.
Doesn't look great but we pretty much threw the Arsenal and Tottenham games last season as they were right before the EL final. We also comfortably beat Chelsea at home just before that didn't we? We also beat Tottenham at home, only 1-0 but was fairly comfortable I felt. We were also really unlucky not to beat Arsenal and Liverpool at home last season, after THEY both came to OT looking for a draw.Tweet
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Under LVG we saw much of the ball and played with greater conviction. Gary Neville even said it was one of the best Anfield performances, result aside, he's seen by a united side for a long while. I'd agree with that too, we were very good against them under LVG and it wasn't smash and grab.Our best performance there in my memory was under LvG, every other win I can remember was always a very satisfying smash and grab.
This anti-football malarkey is a load of bollocks and just another way of attacking Mourinho, and in turn our club. We shouldn't help circulate such a one-sided point of view.
Maybe it looks depressing but when you actually break it down it's not so bad.Well that's depressing.
Since 2015? I assume you're talking about when his Chelsea team were losing to pretty much everybody? I'll forgive him last season as our team was so disjointed i'm willing to see it as part of the process. And yeah, we should start to expect more but we should see how the other games pan out this season before burying him under this amount of shit.Under LVG we saw much of the ball and played with greater conviction. Gary Neville even said it was one of the best Anfield performances, result aside, he's seen by a united side for a long while. I'd agree with that too, we were very good against them under LVG and it wasn't smash and grab.
José however aims for a smash and grab in the away matches and it's simply not working. That's not an attack, it's fact. The results are there since 2015 for all to see.
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