How many 'thoughts and prayers' comments are we up to already from people who could actually get up off their fecking asses and do something about it? Is it as many as post-Vegas? How about post-Sandy Hook? But yeah, my bad for being 'very distasteful'
Yet another mass shooting and at a church, again
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
You don’t know the first thing about God. YOU are missing the point.
25+ Christians have been killed in a church and people here are criticising prayer. It’s seriously disrespectful. Hold the fecking atheistic sentiments for a minute.
No need to conflate people praying with the gun control issue. Shame on yourselves. Seriously, check yourself.
There are plenty of people who both pray and take action for justice. There are also many people who pray who want tighter gun control.
And what exactly are you doing about it?
On your list you forgot to add suicides
2017
- Total Number of Incidents 52,308
- Number of Deaths 13,127
- Number of Injuries 26,904
- Number of Children (age 0-11) Killed or Injured 610
- Number of Teens (age 12-17) Killed or Injured 2,751
- Mass Shooting 307
- Officer Involved Incident Officer Shot or Killed 261
- Officer Involved Incident Subject-Suspect Shot or Killed 1,755
- Home Invasion 2,105
- Defensive Use 1,721
- Unintentional Shooting 1,698
Can't discuss it though.
The same as them, absolutely feck all. Only I don't have people like you rushing to my defence for telling everyone how I'm doing feck all. 'Thoughts and prayers' is nothing more than PR bullshit. You know how you make 'thoughts and prayers' go away? The NRA do, as their donations keep on working. Year after year, massacre after massacre, president after president.
I'm a Christian too, so who the hell are you to take that tone with me? People aren't criticising prayer, they're criticising the right wing liberal notion that prayer alone, coupled with actively blocking any attempt to fix things, will do any good. It's like praying to god to catch you as you jump off a building. Like the aftermath of Sandy Hook? Or is it too soon to mention that?
Take your head out of your ass for one fecking minute and learn to infer context.
feck sake, not again. This will never end 
No they aren't. Again you are missing the point.
i am. prayer is pointless.
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Insanity.
Some angry tweets back at Ryan there. And deservedly so. He offers nothing.
They're not criticising prayer. They're criticising that many of those who say "prayers with" are those who could do something meaningful to try and prevent this, Vegas, Charleston, Sandy Hook etc from happening again but don't.
Fair enough.
I was thinking it's more about the cowards who can actually do something about this hiding behind calling for prayer that was the point.
Are churchgoers (or religious people) better than the others? I am just asking...Very distasteful. Arrogant atheist evangelists on RedCafe need to give it a rest. Especially in the aftermath of a major tragedy where many churchgoers were murdered.
It's labelled 'terrorism' when the attack is politically-motivated. It's not too difficult to understand, lads.
They don't really count as 'violence' I guess, but yea they're not included in the stats that site maintains and are estimated at around 22,000 per year.
Oh no you didn't!
To be fair this seems to be unnecessarily antagonistic. What the poster you're replying to means is that insulting prayer (in their view) is particularly wrong when those killed were firm believers in prayer.
You are still not understanding it either. Go back and look at the GOP reactions to Las Vegas and others. Lots of prayers but no action. He was dead on target with his statement.
When you read that this little church usually had about 50 people at Sunday service, then it sounds very likely that virtually everyone in there was either killed or injured.
Amen Damien ( no pun intended)
feck prayers, the people of America need their politicians to look beyond the NRA gravy train and pass some fecking gun reform.
a bunch of tweets with 1 or 2 likes, you clearly searched to find what you wanted for your agendaI'm guessing now is still not the time to talk about gun control?
It’s a mass murder in a church. You need to infer that context! Not a time to be negatively referring to prayer; an action those slain were engaging with when murdered. It’s deeply insensitive and inappropriately timed.
I’m fecking sick of atheistic sentiments shoehorned into so many threads here. Recent example - Nouri, the Ajax player almost died and Fosu Mensah sent a tweet about him being in his prayers. 5 or 6 posters used this as an opportunity to criticise prayer.
Atheists, believe or don’t believe whatever you want. Just show a little bit of respect for those who do.
As for gun control, I’m a conservative (small c) but it’s a ‘leftist’ argument I agree with. There should be tighter controls. No excuse to attack prayer at such a time though.
Plenty of these attacks have been perpetrated by white supremacists who have a clear ideology. Defining what is 'politically-motivated' can in itself be difficult because most things are inherently political to some extent.
Still, too early to draw conclusions when we don't know much about the killer.
If only the pastor and his flock had been armed with Colts and Bushmaster's whilst they prayed. Damn, what is wrong with them
RIP.
RIP.
why do i need to show respect for a mass delusion of people asking things of their imaginary friend
In isolation, no. But the false prayers of those who actively oppose a real solution are fair game.
How many times is this going to need to be explained before you get it?
People are bemoaning the stock response of the GOP politicians; "thoughts and prayers to the victims" whilst they do feck all to prevent further such tragedies.
Chill bro
You are still not getting it despite numerous posters explaining that he wasn't attacking prayers or praying just the Republican politicians and President who all send their prayers yet flat out refuse to change gun laws or even talk about the prospect of doing so.
Edit, Rado beat me to it. Ah well, it probably still wont sink in.
Amen to that!
I’m not getting into that on this thread.
Innocent people being murdered isn’t good full stop.
It’s the disparaging remarks about prayer that offend me. Just needless, given that Christians were the ones killed. Can’t believe many of you are so politically/atheistically fired up that you’re missing the blatant, gross insensitivity of that.
Because choosing a time like this to make a point of not doing so makes you look like a 13 year old edgelord.
@SparkedIntoLife, what people here are saying is that those who have the power to make a real difference (by introducing meaningful legislation) never do. They say the right thing (and yes, to pray for the victims is the right thing), but that's where the good intention ends - because they will never take on the gun lobby.
You and I can pray, but we can't tackle the NRA. President Trump could, if he wanted to.
You and I can pray, but we can't tackle the NRA. President Trump could, if he wanted to.
You hear that wooshing sound that made you look up?
If it's a white guy there is nothing that can be done, just pray and hope the man in the sky finally listens.
If it's a brown/black guy there is plenty to be done, ban immigrants, bomb countries, build walls etc.
If it's a brown/black guy there is plenty to be done, ban immigrants, bomb countries, build walls etc.
So many of you just jump on me making the exact same rebuttal. Nasty place this is increasingly becoming.