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It's a far cry from Rafa's "Football is like a priest in a milk bottle" quote.
It's Burnley. Is that an achievement? What about camping in our own box as soon as we get put under a bit of pressure? What about the total lack of a pressing game?Yesterday, for large portions of the 2nd half, the entire team were in the opposition half. I found this quite amazing.
So stop talking bollocks Mr OP. And don't tell me Blues Jnr is a United supporters user name. Just admit you're a Shitty fan and we'll all get along much better.
It's Burnley. Is that an achievement? What about camping in our own box as soon as we get put under a bit of pressure? What about the total lack of a pressing game?
Are you really that childish? It absolutely crushes me how far behind City we’ve let ourselves become. The fact so many are still in denial about this is also sad. It’ll get worse before it gets better if we don’t seriously wise up as a club.
You're a City fan, quite clearly. Just declare yourself and stop pretending to be a United fan.
Swansea has actually had some success in the past playing a high line.He’s right but you need a certain calibre to your squad to be able to do it effectively. Would love to see Pep take over Swansea and apply this philosophy without spending a penny.
I couldn't give a flying feck about City.Are you really that childish? It absolutely crushes me how far behind City we’ve let ourselves become. The fact so many are still in denial about this is also sad. It’ll get worse before it gets better if we don’t seriously wise up as a club.
We do have a habit of making Burnley seem like Barcelona, so... I do agree, but we seem incapable of maintaining a high pressure. There is just too much space between our players. I partly think that is down to our goalie and defense sitting so deep.I just don't understand why we don't put really high pressure on inferior teams - it's not like they usually have the skills to play their way out of defense.
We do have a habit of making Burnley seem like Barcelona, so... I do agree, but we seem incapable of maintaining a high pressure. There is just too much space between our players. I partly think that is down to our goalie and defense sitting so deep.
That's how Mourinho plays, I don't think he's ever played that style of football and at Inter Milan he won the treble playing that wayI just don't understand why we don't put really high pressure on inferior teams - it's not like they usually have the skills to play their way out of defense.
Probably not, but then we need to counter with style and efficiency, and we need to not defend like "children", as Mourinho pointed out. We are too often subjected to chance.That's how Mourinho plays, I don't think he's ever played that style of football and at Inter Milan he won the treble playing that way
That's his phylosophy I don't think he will ever change too much about it
I'm sorry thats a bullshit statement. We have the third best defensive record in the league. Last gasp defending can often look like a scramble but thats what happens when you throw everything at it defensively. Against Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs we were unbelievable defensively. Given weve had people in and out of our defense too its a sign we are good defensively.I know what you’re thinking, another City thread. Although it’s a Pep quote it’s not really about them.
How completely simple and true is that statement? I’ve always believed attack is the best form of defence. LVG had the right idea but was too cautious in his approach and made largely terrible signings however we looked good against our rivals whereas now we just look like amateurs at times quite frankly.
What do you think? Would you like to see us get back to a possession based game or you happy to sit back, not press and wait for our defenders to gift goals away?
Your defence is nothing special from what I have seen, I definitely don't think it's a Mourinho defence when you look at the calibre of defender's thereProbably not, but then we need to counter with style and efficiency, and we need to not defend like "children", as Mourinho pointed out. We are too often subjected to chance.
Exactly what Van Gaal used to have us do. Us United fans loved it.
He failed at the execution of that principle. Obviously any idea of playing would fail if it is not executed well.
Yeah, he just did it badly.
Well we got a lot of 0-0 from it . I guess the problem was no need to defend before you actually are a goal up. After that we didn't even keep the ball that well.
No, he did it well. That's just it, he just defended and didn't do much attacking.
Imo its not van gaal fault that our player was crap and our transfer budget didn't reach half of city back thenLVG didn't have the right idea at all, he had two midfielders sitting deep most of the time and there was zero intensity for the majority of our games. He was stuck in the past and got exposed time and time again.
Nailed it.
You're a City fan, quite clearly. Just declare yourself and stop pretending to be a United fan.
Are you serious? Van Gaal Peps teacher? Cruyff clearly was. As Pep states all the time he was his mentor and idol. He was one of his advisors till the day he died. Van Gaal was his coach a couple of seasons, but the 2 have little to no relationship with eachother after that. Guardiola has never credited LVG as one of his inspirators. You could say Van Gaal was more a teacher for Mourinho as he came up under LVG during his Barca days and he did state he learned a lot from LVG.Imo its not van gaal fault that our player was crap and our transfer budget didn't reach half of city back then
van gaal also didn't have the ball to drop rooney ( bad first touch = no tiki taka )
Van gaal was actually Pep Teacher, Pep got his idea of football from van gaal, their antics also similar
to execute their football you need set of world class player with world class stamina and energy, give LVG city squad and he would dominate the league as well
That was an interview when they were NOT playing well?http://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2017/09/07/59b16224468aebb9798b4596.html
Even the manager of that team has more aspirations than that.
cruyff is more like his idol / role model , pep never receive football knowledge from him directly, meanwhile he played under van gaal for few years as barca captain and executing LVG tactic with his own feet & brain on the field.Are you serious? Van Gaal Peps teacher? Cruyff clearly was. As Pep states all the time he was his mentor and idol. He was one of his advisors till the day he died. Van Gaal was his coach a couple of seasons, but the 2 have little to no relationship with eachother after that. Guardiola has never credited LVG as one of his inspirators. You could say Van Gaal was more a teacher for Mourinho as he came up under LVG during his Barca days and he did state he learned a lot from LVG.
That's the thing. I wouldn't even mind our defensive play if at least we would be devastating in transition and hit teams on the counter again and again but we super defensive and slow in the build up which results in the boring mess we currently see. Also I'm not even sure counter attacking is a thing you can totally rely on as a big club in the PL since pretty much the majority of teams will park the bus against us. Sure once we are a goal up they will be forced to open up a bit and this might work but until then we better have a plan on how to get that first goal.I was really beginning to wonder what was so counter attacking about us when we can't string more than 3 passes together, then endlessly and aimlessly hoof and cross. Our tactics deserves it's own name.
This is sadly far too true. Honestly, I'm on the cusp of just taking a long Redcafe sabbatical.Open the caf only to see the first three threads are about City.
Just rename it to bluecafe/plasticafe/pepcafe to make it official.
Our defensive record was pretty good under LvG though.Yeah, he just did it badly.
We were fecking losing to be fair. We had nothing to ‘defend’ anyway.Yesterday, for large portions of the 2nd half, the entire team were in the opposition half. I found this quite amazing.
So stop talking bollocks Mr OP. And don't tell me Blues Jnr is a United supporters user name. Just admit you're a Shitty fan and we'll all get along much better.
The money argument I’ve been seeing more of on here these past few months is just bitterness and toy-throwing in my opinion.The statement is absolute nonsense. It only works if you have absolute quality players all round and even defenders who are not just quick but also very comfortable with the ball at their feet. Guess what, such a team requires huge sums of money to make, a luxury Pep has never known not to exist.