Good take on the situation ...
http://www.espn.com/soccer/english-...-jose-mourinho-feud-theyre-out-of-their-minds
http://www.espn.com/soccer/english-...-jose-mourinho-feud-theyre-out-of-their-minds
Conte: "...he insulted me the 2nd time but now I change..." (Mourinho's Latest Response to Conte)
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I think he meant "C U Next Tuesday". Maybe.
Switch channels dude, and watch Sesame Street, I m sure that will get you going.
All stupid, kids stuff. Get on with the day to day running of a football club, and concentrate on your team would be my message to both.
Have a scrap , would be more entertaining ....... Utd Aggro
Of course but if he were Everton manager he'd win nothing. He looks well short of his best and to cover for that he's falling out with everyone.
His treatment of shaw was some sort of parody. Slagged him off in the press and then when he played well took 100% credit.
It used to be that mourinho played up to this pantomime villain character now though he's just a bit of a dick. What does he get out of falling out with Chelsea and city because they celebrated winning. What does he get out of slagging scholes off or shaw off. He seems to feel his the constant victim from pretty much everyone. Used to like him. Best manager in the world and playful villain. He looks well past his best now and desperate to avert attention way from that. Willing to fall out with just about everyone to do it.
By the laws of averages if you have a lot of feuds you're probably the dickhead
Think he's actually Conte incognito posting on here.
Great rant. In scale of 1 to 10 I'll give you 11.
You're right! He said "fire his petty bum." That is one almighty put down. Must remember that one if someone transgresses against me!
Hahaha, really, man?
"Brought them the first Copa Del Rey in like 16 years"))
Show this to a Real Madrid fan and they'll laugh in your face.
Once again, wishful thinking and ignoring of facts. Before winning it in 2011 with Jose, Real Madrid previously won Copa Del Rey in 1993. http://www.worldfootball.net/winner/esp-copa-del-rey/
Mourinho was a failure at Madrid. He was brought there to win the UCL and he wasn't able to do that.
Once again, not a true statement. It's not like they were winning everything but the CL so he was brought in to be judged solely on that. This would actually apply to Guardiola in Bayern.
Regarding Conte and his league title, he did it by completely changing the system. It wasn't Mourinho's team at all.
Mourinho sold Luiz, while Conte got him back and won the league using the guy. Kante was signed by Conte. Pedro was given an actual real chance by Conte.
The core of the team was the same, which Jose put together.
There were plenty of changes that the Italian made at Chelsea, after Mourinho completely lost it the previous season.
But if you say that Conte won the league using Mourinho's team, then I guess we could also say that Mourinho won those 3 second-hand competitions using Van Gaal's team, right?
Once again, false logic. Mourihno was successful with Chelsea, and Conte just repeated that success with the same team that finished 2nd and 1st in 2 of previous 3 seasons. On the other hand Van Gaal only won the FA Cup, played awful football, left the team in the Europa League, and created a team full of dead wood that Mourihno is still having to sort out. Despite having to overhaul the team, deal with huge injury problems with key players, and being very inefficient in converting chances, Utd won 3 trophies, including the one that qualified them to the CL - all in his first year.
But, of course, it's easier to blame it on the players, media, the opponents. Anyone but the guy, right? That was exactly what Chelsea fans used to say when he was their manager.
Just wait until Jose leaves United and you'll all be saying the same stuff about the man. Specially if he joins another EPL team.
Ask yourselves: what if Mourinho was Liverpool's manager? Who would you think it's the delulded one in this argument?
I see that you will never forget this.
Regarding the Wenger story, my mistake. Mourinho did grab his tie, though. And he stil poke Tito's eye.
Let me guess; you're a Barcelona fan.
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Well said Sir! I completely agree.
So true!
So you've noticed that the only one to get riled up during his responses to reporter questions is Conte, right? His most recent digs ("little man," "fake," "won't forget") are evidence enough. Why would he dig up Mourinho's history with Ranieri in such a directly personal way? Mourinho's responses are sly, and he never says things like "Conte is a baldy wearing a wig." Conte, in contrast, yelled in one of his responses.
Look, Conte's folly was falling for the media's schemes, then entering into a war of words he's not equipped to handle. But it's also possible he's now using this media-created incident to distract pressure from Morata's recent struggles, and media reports that Hazard and Courtois are leaving to Madrid, and his team's recent dip in form:
D 03-01-2018 Arsenal 2 : 2
D 06-01-2018 Norwich 0 : 0
D 10-01-2018 Arsenal 0 : 0 (H)
What an absolutely clueless statement. Let's see how the players treated a cup Final victory at Camp Nou, against a Barcelona side that was on a run of 6 Finals, 6 victories, winning 8 of the previous 10 competitions they competed in:"Brought them the first Copa Del Rey in like 16 years"
Show this to a Real Madrid fan and they'll laugh in your face.
Either you're clueless, or those players are numskulls.
And all he had to do was sign the defending PFA Player of the Year award-winner, Kante. Let's see which other slouches won that award (to see how their signings might help a club):
2007–08 Ronaldo, Cristiano
2008–09 Giggs, Ryan
2009–10 Rooney, Wayne
2010–11 Bale, Gareth
2011–12 van Persie, Robin
2012–13 Bale, Gareth
2013–14 Suárez, Luis
2014–15 Hazard, Eden
2015–16 Mahrez, Riyad
2016–17 Kanté, N'Golo
Bunch of bums. Which losers did Mourinho bring into the club? Diego Costa (Conte's leading goal scorer), Cesc Fabregas (Conte's assists leader), Willian (Conte's leading play-maker), Pedro (who?), Nemanja Matić, and Kurt Zouma. Garbage.
The players blamed themselves. Throughout the beginning of the season they blamed their poor results on their lack of fitness and lack of production. They took accountability in almost every interview they gave, because they knew they've fecked up.
And the media? How clueless can you be? Conte asks the reporter if Mourinho's talking about him, and another reporter jumps in "yes!" They played him. Just like they play you. He got so riled up by it, he took it out on the poor translator, lol!
Just figuring why jose would make such comments when by his own admission, he has matured.
Man, you are all so funny defending this guy with his fantastic COPA DEL REY success.
I'm just gonna wait until he leaves the club at the end of the season. Can't wait to see ya'll bragging about how Mourinho brought the mighty United back to winning ways by his Community fecking Shield accomplishment.
You are deflecting the conversation anyways. You talk about how Mourinho built Conte's team and so on so forth. Fact is that he's made a lot of mistakes.
He might've built the squad, but he lost the plot third season. Just like he always does! Because that's his character.
This discussion is about his character, not his managerial skills. Because all of your football skills go to shit sooner or later if you can't handle your ego.
I was hoping that he's more mature, more smart, more calm when he signed for United. But ever since he opened his mouth, he proved that nothing's changed.
Ok, he won three trophies, all of them second hand for such a club (even the Europa League), maybe he'll win one-two more, but the fact of the matter is that his legacy won't be a strong club. He does great with underdogs, like Porto, Chelsea or even Inter. But he fails misserably with clubs with an already based identity, like Real and, soon, United.
He's not reviving United's identity. He's completely redesigning it. And I don't like this new one. I don't like us not making any progress in terms of football quality during the last two seasons, even if we signed some of the best players out there.
I keep seeing people talking about how United is now hated again and how that's a great thing. You know what? United used to be hated for it being a successful club. Now we're just hated because our manager is a prick.
Just like Real were hated not because they won Copa del maldito Rey (hahaha, can't help it when it comes to this), but because they were a bunch of thugs led by a eye-poking twat.
You know what's the difference between the hate that SAF's United was receiving, compared to Mourinho's United? The respect. They hated us, but they respected us. All of them. Now it's just hate.
I'm just gonna wait until he leaves the club at the end of the season. Can't wait to see ya'll bragging about how Mourinho brought the mighty United back to winning ways by his Community fecking Shield accomplishment.
You are deflecting the conversation anyways. You talk about how Mourinho built Conte's team and so on so forth. Fact is that he's made a lot of mistakes.
He might've built the squad, but he lost the plot third season. Just like he always does! Because that's his character.
This discussion is about his character, not his managerial skills. Because all of your football skills go to shit sooner or later if you can't handle your ego.
I was hoping that he's more mature, more smart, more calm when he signed for United. But ever since he opened his mouth, he proved that nothing's changed.
Ok, he won three trophies, all of them second hand for such a club (even the Europa League), maybe he'll win one-two more, but the fact of the matter is that his legacy won't be a strong club. He does great with underdogs, like Porto, Chelsea or even Inter. But he fails misserably with clubs with an already based identity, like Real and, soon, United.
He's not reviving United's identity. He's completely redesigning it. And I don't like this new one. I don't like us not making any progress in terms of football quality during the last two seasons, even if we signed some of the best players out there.
I keep seeing people talking about how United is now hated again and how that's a great thing. You know what? United used to be hated for it being a successful club. Now we're just hated because our manager is a prick.
Just like Real were hated not because they won Copa del maldito Rey (hahaha, can't help it when it comes to this), but because they were a bunch of thugs led by a eye-poking twat.
You know what's the difference between the hate that SAF's United was receiving, compared to Mourinho's United? The respect. They hated us, but they respected us. All of them. Now it's just hate.
Thats called introducing yourself with a bang. Just 8 posts but already made a statement.
Oh and during Fergie they all respected us. Yeah right.
Oh and during Fergie they all respected us. Yeah right.
All posts about Jose and Chelsea.
What I'm saying is you have Mourinho completely misunderstood. That's my point.
The media plays people like you. For the rest of the month, count how many times ESPN's football website lacks an article about Mourinho. Check every day. The number will be zero. Why is that? Because Mourinho sells. And the only thing that sells better than praise for Mourinho is hate for Mourinho.
United supporters and fans will always click on Mourinho articles, but if you can get everyone else to hate Mourinho, they too will click on Mourinho articles. It's that fecking simple.
Full disclosure: the most disgraceful thing I've ever seen in sports is the eye gauge in Madrid, and Mourinho's reaction when confronted on the sidelines. But everyone makes mistakes. And that was his.
You don't have to stop reading the gossip in the papers, but at least supplement it by watching Mourinho's unedited press conference videos so you get the true record of events.
Or ... keep feeding your Mourinho hatred instead. Whatever.
@eat_grass - it's not the media, it's the facts. No other coach does this. And if the media plays people like me, then he plays me too. Because damn, doesn't he enjoy the fuss? He's feeding of it.
Whatever, I'm not gonna discuss this any further, it's just that I find it weird how people change their opinions on coaches and players based on which club they work at. Bet you that some people would find excuses for Joey Barton or John Terry too, if they were to join their team.
Whatever, I'm not gonna discuss this any further, it's just that I find it weird how people change their opinions on coaches and players based on which club they work at. Bet you that some people would find excuses for Joey Barton or John Terry too, if they were to join their team.
He has 2 tricky matches in that time against local rivals. I don't regard thay as a dip in form tbh.
Also him referencing Mourinho directly means little, Ive eluded to that in the past. He can be cryptic in his pressers but he's never so cryptic as to have the press not knowing whom he's talking about.
In any case, if you follow my posts I haven't defended either manager. I just struggle to see how Conte is worse off. He reacted by directly addressing Mourinho but that's about it. He's got the better head to head on the pitch and I find the whole ordeal a grand waste of both managers time.
Any chance to post this.
Most United fans liked Jose before he joined, amongst other things, this...
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So Jose had one more (who actually believes that?) thing to say to Conte today:
"I think when a person insults another you can expect a response or you can expect contempt.
'The first time he insulted me I had a response, a response that I know touched the point where he really feels hurt.
'Then he insulted me for a second time but now I change and now contempt, and for me contempt means end of the story.'"
Source: Many news outlets. Check 'em out.
"I think when a person insults another you can expect a response or you can expect contempt.
'The first time he insulted me I had a response, a response that I know touched the point where he really feels hurt.
'Then he insulted me for a second time but now I change and now contempt, and for me contempt means end of the story.'"
Source: Many news outlets. Check 'em out.
Basically saying Conte started the insult . Jose replied with the match fixing comment knowing its a touchy subject for the cheat.
And when Conte started crying Jose wants to stop.. because its no fun when the other guy cant keep up and starts crying.
And when Conte started crying Jose wants to stop.. because its no fun when the other guy cant keep up and starts crying.
Hopefully Conte will go on a mad rage again tomorrow
Generally speaking United fans have always held Jose in high regard. I Think it helps that he shared a somewhat close relationship with Fergie.
I remember the United fans bellowing this out at Stamford Bridge after we won the title. The look on Jose's face was a picture.
Hopefully Conte goes on a "facht list" or "i'll luv it" rant.Reading some of the assessments you could believe Mourinho is a satirist or internet troll - you know when your job it actually is to rile up people and not lets say managing a football club in a league with 18 other clubs that aren't managed by Conte (who of course if being at least equally childish).
This. My Arsenal and Liverpool supporting mates can't stand him and often expressed this. Even before he became our manager, I remember remarking how weird this was because if not for Mourinho's Chelsea, we'd have won more titles. We should have been the one who detested him but no, Arsenal and Liverpool fans hate him more.
I remember the chin up Mourinho gestures the fans did to him when he returned to Old Trafford the season after we took back the title, mocking the gestures he made after the last game at Stamford Bridge the previous season. Good times. He was gone by that season, replaced by Avram Grant.
He didn't return to Old Trafford that season.This. My Arsenal and Liverpool supporting mates can't stand him and often expressed this. Even before he became our manager, I remember remarking how weird this was because if not for Mourinho's Chelsea, we'd have won more titles. We should have been the one who detested him but no, Arsenal and Liverpool fans hate him more.
I remember the chin up Mourinho gestures the fans did to him when he returned to Old Trafford the season after we took back the title, mocking the gestures he made after the last game at Stamford Bridge the previous season. Good times. He was gone by that season, replaced by Avram Grant.
It would be fun then, 2 jumping idiots trying to defend there antics on side lines. Don't see park football coaches doing it they would get some stick.You wicked one.
But that's part of the game: to see who cracks first. And it was Conte. That's not just based on the type of attacks ("he's a fake," "little man," "i won't forget this"), but in how emotional Conte got during his response.
A very common tendency in these types of situations is to make false equivalences: neither is winning, they both look bad. Many people are put off by this type of spat and want it to stop, but let's not pretend like both are equal parties here: Conte was played by the media, got riled up, responded, then allowed himself to get roped into it again, leading to the current week's events.
This is on Conte. The question is whether he jumped back into it intentionally or allowed himself to get played again.
A real WUM is Jose
This. Conte would have been at it again today I think if he didn't have his Chelsea chaperone to talk on his behalf.
Little man huh! Real men speak for themselves!
The greatest non-United moment in the history of football
Terrible recap by the BBC:
They omit there the phrase that caused the most stir when they say "Conte suggests Mourinho should remember how he used to behave" when Conte used the term "senile dementia", with the club in damage limitation mode saying he meant "amnesia". Strange to omit this.
- 4 January: Mourinho says he did not feel the need to "behave as a clown" during games
- 5 January: Conte suggests Mourinho should remember how he used to behave
- 5 January: Mourinho says he will never be "suspended for match-fixing". He does not name Conte, who served a four-month ban at Juventus during 2012-13 for failing to report match-fixing at his previous club Siena, but was cleared of any wrongdoing by a court in 2016
- 6 January: Conte hits back by calling Mourinho "a little man"
- 9 January: Conte says Mourinho "used serious words" and warned "I will not forget this"
They omit there the phrase that caused the most stir when they say "Conte suggests Mourinho should remember how he used to behave" when Conte used the term "senile dementia", with the club in damage limitation mode saying he meant "amnesia". Strange to omit this.