No sure why, they well and truly had our number.
Manchester United vs Sevilla | CL R16 Build-up Thread (Return Leg 13 March)
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No sure why, they well and truly had our number.
Let's wait until after the match to see if I was mistaken or not eh ?
I actually think this is a myth about Tony V.
He's excellent in one on ones and at the physical sides of the game (apart from aerially although that's not really where you expect an RB to be dominant) but positionally is often caught out. I'm not slating him because he's been decent for us there but I think superb defensively is slightly OTT. He's been good but not great this season.
Overall, we play with a system that helps defenders - hence why our stats have been so good, even under LVG with a worse team - but I wouldn't say any of our back 4 are among the best in their positions in the league. Could upgrade any of them without too much trouble.
Agreed, aptly put.
But what does it have to do with us this season?
Well it's better than 0-0 granted, but with a potential 120 minutes in the 2nd leg not so
So you think they are a good side who you'd be worried about beating at home, yet expect us to win by 2 or more away?
I just don't get the logic.
So, we had a better team back in 2011/12, and Sevilla have a better team than Bilbao did then
Nothing, but it's a similar match-up, most United fans feel all we'll have to do is turn up against Sevilla as they did against Bilbao, how did that work out ?
There's a hell of a lot of different between hope, and expect, put that in your Logic pipe and smoke it
Similar, in that we're playing a team from La Liga, and completely different in most every other way. Like the fact we're playing a different team, and have a different team. Why not compare it to Celta Vigo?
Mata is better suited to this game I feel.
True I considered putting Rojo in instead of Jones in my expected line up.
I'd probably put Lindelof in instead of Smalling in my preferred line up if I was to change it.
You can add Celta Vigo if you want, another team we should beat because we're mighty Manchester United.
Did they scare the crap out of us in the Europa League last season ?
Well Sevilla are on a different level to them, and if we're not bang at it for 180+ minutes they'll knock us out, nothing surer
I think this should be the lineup:
-----------Martial----------
Sanchez------------Lingard
----Pogba----Herrera------
-----------Matic------------
Shaw---Rojo--Jones--Valencia
-----------De Gea--------------
-I think the back 7 basically picks itself (Shaw over Young since I'm benching the aerial threat in Lukaku for Young's crosses anyways). --Rojo is in good form and can pass so he gets one spot, less sure about the other one.
-Lingard makes sense to play away and Pogba and Matic need Herrera (or theoretically Fellaini) in the middle to help them
-Martial has been more dangerous than Lukaku generally and is the better counterattacking player (Lukaku is good at it but Martial is better). Normally you'd consider playing the big hold up striker to ensure we don't get overrun and can counter off of punts and clearances but Lukaku struggles at that stuff and Martial would just be a constant threat to dribble past their CBs if he can isolate one. Also if Sanchez is always coming inside from LW it might open up that space for Martial to go into that vacated space, and that's where he's most dangerous.
-But Martial has been lazy defensively lately and Sanchez busts his ass and is experienced so Martial is up top and Sanchez out wide.
-Mata makes no sense away or in really in a 4-3-3 under Mourinho
-----------Martial----------
Sanchez------------Lingard
----Pogba----Herrera------
-----------Matic------------
Shaw---Rojo--Jones--Valencia
-----------De Gea--------------
-I think the back 7 basically picks itself (Shaw over Young since I'm benching the aerial threat in Lukaku for Young's crosses anyways). --Rojo is in good form and can pass so he gets one spot, less sure about the other one.
-Lingard makes sense to play away and Pogba and Matic need Herrera (or theoretically Fellaini) in the middle to help them
-Martial has been more dangerous than Lukaku generally and is the better counterattacking player (Lukaku is good at it but Martial is better). Normally you'd consider playing the big hold up striker to ensure we don't get overrun and can counter off of punts and clearances but Lukaku struggles at that stuff and Martial would just be a constant threat to dribble past their CBs if he can isolate one. Also if Sanchez is always coming inside from LW it might open up that space for Martial to go into that vacated space, and that's where he's most dangerous.
-But Martial has been lazy defensively lately and Sanchez busts his ass and is experienced so Martial is up top and Sanchez out wide.
-Mata makes no sense away or in really in a 4-3-3 under Mourinho
I hope we win 10-0 in Spain, but doesn’t mean I won’t be happy with a 1-0 win or venue a high score drawThere's a hell of a lot of different between hope, and expect, put that in your Logic pipe and smoke it
I'd rather draw 2-2 in Spain than win 0-1
That makes no sense whatsoever.
There isn’t a single result at home at would get us through with 2-2 away that wouldn’t with 0-1 away.
On the other hand, there are a few results that would get us through with 0-1 away that won’t with 2-2 away.
Oh, yeah because two legged affairs are all about simple maths yeah ?
Well, yes, 2 legged ties still determine the winners based on the team that score more goals, the away goals rule only comes in when the 2 teams have the same number of goals.
There is no way that having scored the same number of goals as the opposition is better than having scored 1 more than them.
All you do is make terrible posts.
Oh right, do you not think two away goals are better than one ?
Cheers, thanks for explaining how the away goals rule works.
Do you not think conceding none is better than conceding 2?
If you understand how it works, there’s no way 2-2 is better than 0-1, unless you support Seville...
Have you not heard, flattery gets you nowhere
Oh right so if I support Sevilla i'd be happier getting beat 0-1 at home than drawing 2-2, have I got that right ??
Honestly not sure if you're serious. Or if this is some troll account.
Not sure if your are taking the piss or actually mean this. But how is a draw better than an actual win?
A serious as can be, i'd have scrapped the away goals rule 20 years ago, it's served it's purpose when it was brought in, but it totally favours the team that plays away second, so yes scoring two away in the first leg is better than scoring one.
This is going to be a real tough match. A proper tough match.
No one is disputing that, but ffs man. You’re completely missing the point. I mean I would get it if you said 1-2 > 0-1. But how is starting the second leg on on par better than starting on -1?
Well put. I think Lingard for Lukaku in that team is more likely though, with Martial and Sanchez constantly swapping sides behind him.
But that's obvious, what would be the point of saying that ?
Quite like this line up. I'd be tempted to swap Lingard for Rashford though and then it'll be hell marking our front three as they can all play up top or out wide. And, more importantly, are all gas.
Feel Lukaku should be a bench option this game as they'll be good in possession and he isn't good unless we're dominating
Do explain how 2-2 is better than 0-1?Just when I thought the questions couldn't get stupider
You do realize that away goal doesn't actually count double?!
This is possibly the most surreal debate ever on the Caf. One man's titanic struggle with basic maths.
A draw is better than a win. I heard it all now.
FYI
If you draw 2-2 in Spain, then Sevilla will go through if they win the return leg 0-1.
If you win 0-1 in Spain, then Sevilla can only take the game to extra time by winning the return game 0-1.