Pep Guardiola: "Raiola offered me Mkhitaryan and Pogba two months ago.

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Can you imagine if some mouthy agent started slating Mourinho's character in public? He would destroy them :lol:
But CAF would implode with thread about how childish Mourinho is, he should keep silence, stay classy...
 

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It was not cnutish at all. Mino called Pep a dog publicly and only after that did Pep spit out the truth also publicly. If Paul did give a green light to Raiola to contact other clubs, then I do not see anything bad in this piece of news by Guardiola for United. In fact, it could benefit us long-term. Paul can be sold this summer for mega-money and we can buy another central mid or two who would crave to play for us. Also, we will not bend over Paul's demand of an improved contract. Let him justify his current top wages first.
What the actual feck is this?
 

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What is this expectation that guardiola should or shouldn’t do anything? He is basically like any one else who would try to do whatever it takes to get an edge ahead of big match. And Raiola is a cnut. We knew that at best of times.
It's a fair point but look at that post I quoted above. Obviously, it's the Man Citeh manager looking out for United and their finances yo
 

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But CAF would implode with thread about how childish Mourinho is, he should keep silence, stay classy...
Pep is a weirdo, he isn't classy and he isn't our manager, we have no expectations or hope when it comes to him.
 

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What is this expectation that guardiola should or shouldn’t do anything? He is basically like any one else who would try to do whatever it takes to get an edge ahead of big match. And Raiola is a cnut. We knew that at best of times.
Yeah I don't personally feel like Pep has done much wrong except if he's lying in which case isn't it libel? I don't think he's lying.

This goes well beyond football rivalries or our support. If it were Arse and Chelsea I'd find it ridiculous that x player and his agent are flirting with another club. Not on at all.
 

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It was not cnutish at all. Mino called Pep a dog publicly and only after that did Pep spit out the truth also publicly. If Paul did give a green light to Raiola to contact other clubs, then I do not see anything bad in this for United. In fact, it could benefit us long-term. Paul can be sold this summer for mega-money and we can buy another central mid or two who would crave to play for us. Also, we will not bend over Paul's demand of an improved contract. Let him justify his current top wages first.
I don't see much or anything good if that's actually true. Pogba isn't playing well at all, so the fact that he also wants out won't put his price in the sky if we want to sell him (or have to) this summer.
Pep, if he wanted to get one over Raiola, could not name the players or name Mhki who was in the market then. He intentionally expanded it to Pogba who has a firm contract with United and he knows what will be the headlines.

The best thing would be if Pogba just shuts up all the talk on the pitch.
 

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I doubt Pogba would go to City. Raiola probably offered him to clubs which can afford his wages. Although this sorta confirms that he wanted out when he was dropped.
Of course it does...I think Guardiolas telling the truth,but frankly I don't even give a damn about Pogba or any player for that matter.If they want to stay then great,if they want to leave then they can get lost...I"m not going to even spend a second losing sleep over the future of these players,our club is much much bigger than any 1 player...
 

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Pep is a weirdo, he isn't classy and he isn't our manager, we have no expectations or hope when it comes to him.
I don't disagree. My initial point was in response to another poster saying it's a blessing in disguise for us (United), with what Pep just said.

Pep may do nothing wrong here firing back at Raiola for his own sake. However, there is huge double standard in how people especially on CAF perceive things. You have people expect United manager to be saint but running miles to defend human reaction from managers of other clubs.
 

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I don't see much or anything good if that's actually true. Pogba isn't playing well at all, so the fact that he also wants out won't put his price in the sky if we want to sell him this summer.
Pep, if he wanted to get one over Raiola, could not name the players or name Mhki who was in the market then. He intentionally expanded it to Pogba who has a firm contract with United and he knows what will be the headlines.

The best thing would be if Pogba just shuts up all the talk on the pitch.
Pep is not supposed to do us any favours. Neither does Jose does any favour to any rival club. Being a Utd fan, I believe that Pep told the truth, and it is good for me to know it rather than to assume that Mou can't get the best out of his most expensive buy. I do hope though that Paul plays tomorrow and plays really well.
 

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You think Guardiola is right to namecheck our players because he has a fight with their agents? You think he's doing us a favor in doing so? Alright then
Its amazing how much a bunch of United supporters on a United forum will bend over backwards to support Pep and justify him making a statement such as this that virtually no other manager makes.
 

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It actually doesn't match with Raiola, who is described by his own clients like straightforward and respectful of their desires.
I think you're confusing him with Mendes. Raiola is pure player power and most clubs dislike him because he'll make life hell for them.

This is how it plays out: Raiola on his laptop, questionably tight black tee on, preparing a thoughtful message on Pogba's frustration and his willingness to join a growing project with subtle hints at salary demands and his own, whopping cut. He then moves his grubby fingers on the mouse, opens the entirety of his contact lists, bcc's Pogba and clicks send all.
 

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Its amazing how much a bunch of United supporters on a United forum will bend over backwards to support Pep and justify him making a statement such as this that virtually no other manager makes.
It is not a bunch of supporters bending over to Pep, it is Utd fans learning the truth and supporting Mou in his stance towards Pogba.
 

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Looks like the Men in Suits who tried to sign Herrera in that summer fooled Pep that it was Raiola calling
 

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I think you're confusing him with Mendes. Raiola is pure player power and most clubs dislike him because he'll make life hell for them.

This is how it plays out: Raiola on his laptop, questionably tight black tee on, preparing a thoughtful message on Pogba's frustration and his willingness to join a growing project with subtle hints at salary demands and his own, whopping cut. He then moves his grubby fingers on the mouse, opens the entirety of his contact lists, bcc's Pogba and clicks send all.
Isn't that what I wrote? He does what his clients want which isn't necessarily good for clubs, he is the enforcer.
 

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Isn't that what I wrote? He does what his clients want which isn't necessarily good for clubs, he is the enforcer.
Which is fair, since he works for the player and not the club
 

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Yes I'm sure this would be the reaction the Caf would have if Mourinho revealed that Sane's agent offered him to United. I'm sure of it.
To draw a parallel you need to consider the opinion of the Bluemoon's posters in this case, not caftards.
 

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Which is fair, since he works for the player and not the club
Yeah, I don't blame him. When it comes to this topic, my only problem is with the incredible amount of people who seem to think that Raiola's clients are innocent little flowers who are victims of that mean dutch man, truth be told his clients are happy and hired him because he gets what they want and he happens to also be closer to them than apparently most agents are.
 

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It's a fair point but look at that post I quoted above. Obviously, it's the Man Citeh manager looking out for United and their finances yo
I read that now. Obviously Pep isn’t trying to do us any favour neither should he. He is also a maniac on the edge hanging by a thread in the CL. The only thing he is doing is barking back at the other dog.
 

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UK hack journos having their piss boiled by DiMarzio is the best thing to happen out of all of this. Jason Burt especially, taking to Twitter like he's the Twitter police is quite majestic.
 

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To draw a parallel you need to consider the opinion of the Bluemoon's posters in this case, not caftards.
It's possible to think both Pep and Raiola are cnuts in this situation. That's where I stand but only 1 of these people brought it into the public sphere without being prompted to do so to settle a personal vendetta as well as to unsettle us before the derby.
 

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This may have been Raiola's way of applying pressure on Mourinho to play Pogba. I doubt he expected Pep to come out and say this.

Hard to work out the alternative, as there's no way he can have expected us to sell Pogba to City.
Could have been, but it can’t.
Mkhitaryan was sold 22.01., and Pogba was a sure starter untill the Tottenham game which was 31.01.
Raiola obviously offered Pogba and Mkhitaryan before Mkhi went to Arsenal, so this couldn’t have been about playing time.
It was all for a better contract imo.
 

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I am not bothered one bit about what Raiola did. If Pogba wants to leave, please mr Raiola bring us £200m and feck off. And get your fees from the buying club you fat feck.
 

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It's possible to think both Pep and Raiola are cnuts in this situation. That's where I stand but only 1 of these people brought it into the public sphere without being prompted to do so to settle a personal vendetta as well as to unsettle us before the derby.
I see your point, do not agree with it though. Lets agree to disagree but one thing we both agree on, I am sure. In fact all of us hope that Pogba puts in a fantastic performance tomorrow and really shows his class.
 

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Pogba is the least 'Pep' player I can think of outside of guys like Andy Carroll.

Not his style of midfielder at all.
 

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It's a fair point but look at that post I quoted above. Obviously, it's the Man Citeh manager looking out for United and their finances yo
Yea proves Raiola right.. doesn't it? He's the saint who looks out for United's interest. How do you people come up with these warped 'pep can do no wrong' explanations?
 

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It is not a bunch of supporters bending over to Pep, it is Utd fans learning the truth and supporting Mou in his stance towards Pogba.
Do you even consider the possibility of Pep is not telling the (whole) truth AKA he is not a saint to begin with?

Your point is based on a scenario where Mourinho wants to sell Pogba to ever come to conclusion it helps Mourinho's cause. If Mourinho is trying to get a reaction out of Pogba with plan to eventually get Pogba back as his talisman, then what Pep did was anything but help. It literally turns the fans against Pogba (Pogba wants to join rival notion). For gullible mind, some would be snared into this trap.
 

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Do you even consider the aspect of Pep is not telling the truth aka he is not a saint to begin with?

Your point is based on a scenario where Mourinho wants to sell Pogba to ever come to conclusion it helps Mourinho's cause. If Mourinho is trying to get a reaction out of Pogba with plan to eventually get Pogba back as his talisman, then what Pep did was anything but help. It literally turns the fans against Pogba (Pogba wants to join rival notion). For gullible mind, some would be snared into this trap.
Riola confirmed it as far as I know.
 

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It is not a bunch of supporters bending over to Pep, it is Utd fans learning the truth and supporting Mou in his stance towards Pogba.
I don't like the idea of turning it to Mourinho vs Pogba war and what Pep said doesn't show this as "truth".
 

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Do you even consider the possibility of Pep is not telling the (whole) truth AKA he is not a saint to begin with?

Your point is based on a scenario where Mourinho wants to sell Pogba to ever come to conclusion it helps Mourinho's cause. If Mourinho is trying to get a reaction out of Pogba with plan to eventually get Pogba back as his talisman, then what Pep did was anything but help. It literally turns the fans against Pogba (Pogba wants to join rival notion). For gullible mind, some would be snared into this trap.
Did you even read what I wrote in this thread, or are you making things up in your mind?Re-read my posts on here, please.
 

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I don't like the idea of turning it to Mourinho vs Pogba war and what Pep said doesn't show this as "truth".
Nobody likes this idea. However, I doubt that Pep lied. If he did, he will get called out.
 

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Did you even read what I wrote in this thread, or are you making things up in your mind?Re-read my posts on here, please.
What if I already did few times? When it's not just me who picked up on your post, then perhaps it's not just me, but your post, perhaps?