How can you discount dribbling? It’s because you know you/Ronaldo are well and truely beaten in this respect.
We've been wrong the past 50-60 years and all the appreciation Maradona, Best, R9, Pele, Ronaldinho etc. got for their ineffiecient dribbling was undeserved.
The way the Messi **** go on about it, it's as if dribbling is the main aim of football rather than scoring.
In that case Ronaldo regularly scores from 40 yards out.The Messi **** and stating their opinion as facts.
Compared to almost any other player in history, yeah. Forget I wrote regularly though, can’t you see the value in dribbling? Not to mention his passing ability. The fact that he does this whilst matching Ronaldo’s productivity should indicate he’s the better player.The way the Messi **** go on about it, it's as if dribbling is the main aim of football rather than scoring.
Messi regularly goes through 5 or 6 players?
I'm not saying dribbling is useless, but it's not also a vital factor like you Messi **** go on and on about.
You’re really reaching here now trying to discredit dribbling by suggesting you could be dribbling away from goal. Also, yes, under some circumstances that would help your team.
I'm just pointing out that successful dribble is such a pointless statistic because it doesn't matter in which direction you dribbled.
@Cal? be interesting to see how you can swing this one in your mans favour. Games against each other with both on the park (and presumably Ronaldo’s competitiveness at its peak since he’s so desperate to beat his rival to personal accolades, doing it on the pitch he shares with his rival seems a great place to showcase it)
Because they are very close in the amount of goals scored, in their careers, in La Liga and in CL. Albeit Ronaldo has more knockout stage goals than Messi, but Messi has more vital goals in La Liga. I won't mention assists cos Messi is streets ahead.
That is not a list of games they played against each other. Messi's better record obviously has a lot to do with the better team he played in for much longer.
When Ronaldo is clearly much better (CL knockout stage, etc), it is somehow debatable according to you.It can be, being better in the air directly lead to many more goals than being a better dribbler.
Messi is clearly better at passing than Ronaldo, you have to be blind to don't acknowledge it. Messi has more assists than Ronaldo in all competitions despite playing 200 matches less and being 2 years younger. The fact that Ronaldo has more assists in CL doesn't mean he's a better passer ffs. It's like saying Messi is as good as Ronaldo at headers.
When Messi is arguably better at something (passing, key passing - so basically assists), you make it sound like it's undeniable, despite the fact that Ronaldo has more assists in the CL.
Also the way you kind of brush off "better in the air" as if that's a non-factor.
Messi was more successful at a younger age mainly due to playing in a vastly better team with Xaviesta & co. He's no longer anywhere near as successful once Xavi left and Iniesta got worse.
There we go with you followers of St Lionel again. If you are going to repeat your opinion as facts ad nauseam, there really is no point discussing anything.
In fairness to him, the significant majority (at least from what I've gauged) would agree that by watching the players alone Messi is the superior player.
There is literally a poll at the top of this page that shows it being roughly 60-40, whilst that is a majority, calling it a "significantly" majority is grossly overstating it.
The poll is pointless now. Its literally a choice between anyone not named messi and ronaldo.
Sorry I meant the significant majority not on a Manchester United forum. Our poll will clearly be a bit bias.
You think it's "arguable" that Messi is a better passer?
When Messi is arguably better at something (passing, key passing - so basically assists), you make it sound like it's undeniable, despite the fact that Ronaldo has more assists in the CL.
Also the way you kind of brush off "better in the air" as if that's a non-factor.
And Ronaldo is comparatively more successful, team wise because he has World class players like Modric, Marcelo, kroos and Isco behind him, not like he takes the ball in mf and skips past players and scores himself when things aren’t going his way, or wait, that’s exactly what Messi does, Ronaldo just waits until he gets the right service, granted his movement is really good but to be successful he needs the right service from world class players, not Messi
Surely you can agree Messi has been better in El Classico though right?
It’s taken you this long to figure out you cant reason with him?
He says the better team, it isn’t like Ron has played for Salford City, he played for Man United, who managed to get to 2 more CL finals once he left. And Real Madrid.
That's completely irrelevant to my point, we're arguing about who is the better passer.
Not true, this poll has about 500,000 votes and it's still around 60-40.
When Ronaldo is successful, it's because of his team mates, yet with Messi, he does it all himself?
Barcelona has a better record in El Clasico in the past decade or so.
Are you denying that Messi had the better team mates in that 09-11 team under St Pep?
DO explain why Ronaldo FC didn't win the CL until 2014 when the likes of Modric arrived?Not true, this poll has about 500,000 votes and it's still around 60-40.
http://messivsronaldo.net/
When Ronaldo is successful, it's because of his team mates, yet with Messi, he does it all himself?
Do explain why Messi FC has gone out in the CL QF 3 times in the last 4 seasons since the demise of Xaviesta.
Barcelona has a better record in El Clasico in the past decade or so.
Are you denying that Messi had the better team mates in that 09-11 team under St Pep?
Real are so successful because of Ronaldo, they wouldn’t have been anywhere near as good without him. They would certainly have not retained the CL, etc, etc...
If your seriously think that Real owe their CL success to the likes of Modric more than Ronaldo, deluded wouldn't begin to describe your condition.
Are you denying that all CRs goals were legitimate in the knockout games in the last couple of years, if I remember correctly, Abidal was sent off unjustly in 09 and there were decisions that went against us in the first leg but no one pats an eye on that. If only we had the same run in that Real had in 2014, we'd most likely have won it as well, we wouldn't have needed help from the ref. I agree that we've got favourable decisions in the past but why ignore mistakes made by the ref when it doesn't suit your agenda. Even last season in the league, there were so many decisions that went against us, if not for these decisions, CR would only have won 1 league title in 9 years, bloody hell that is awful. I still don't understand how the great CR has only won 2 league titles in 9 years. If not for your delusion, many people would appreciate CR more but when you just argue without any pragmatism, that's when people come up with their own agenda, I mean scoring goals is more important but creating them is not, only you can come up with such logic. I'd think that CR was a hybrid of Maradona and Pele who didn't need people behind him creating chances for him to score in the knockout games, he'd just get the ball in his own half, skip past all the players, lift the ball up himself and score via an overhead kick. I wonder why teams look for players who can dribble, honestly, that's just plain awful, what has dribbling got to do with scoring goals and creating chances. I feel for Benzema as well, he would have had thrice as many goals had he not played alongside CR, oh yeah but he game him a penalty in a game that was already won, I wish he had joined United in 09, he was immense for Lyon, granted he has more trophies and has been a success team wise but there was a time where he could have been one of the best players in the world, then CR happened.
Ronaldo is at least 80% of the reason Madrid have been able to win the CL in 3 of the last 4 years. This rings true particularly for the wins in 2016 and 2017. I've already posted this before but where were the likes of Modric and Kroos in season defining games like the CL quarters in both 2016 and 2017?
Under Jose (2011-13) in the CL, Real lost to Bayern, Barca, and Dortmund. The only big team they beat in the CL was United (they needed that bullshit red card for Nani) in R16 and Dortmund in the groups. They literally didn't face another top team at all - Galatasaray, CSKA Moscow, APOEL, Lyon, and Harry Redknapp's Spurs. Before that (with Ronaldo in the team) they lost to Lyon in R16.
No one denies that he was instrumental but when one denies that Messi was not the man who made our most successful period in history possible, we use their own logic against them. I saw a post recently claiming that Messi's second goal against rm in 11 was not that great because they weren't arsed anymore, come on, that was one of the greatest goals in cl history against our biggest rivals in the semi final and these guys say go on to give excuses. For goodness sake, it's okay to have an opinion that CR is better, but atleast have arguments that are consistent to back it up. Anyways, I'd rather enjoy Messi for the the last few years of his career and dread CR since I am Barca fan but neutrals can enjoy the two of them in their own ways, there is an agenda for Messi here as well but the way these guys throw insults at Messi pisses me off.
