Yes yet they would have not made it to the final Without him and his record 17 goals in the CL. Ramos with the equalizer but they would NEVER have been their without RONALDO. so come again sir your argument is invalid.
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It is certainly a poor Barcelona side by their's and elite club level standards.The Barca side 10+ points clear in the league and 15 ahead of Real Madrid.
Yep, this poor Barca side.
The excuses
Their midfield is terrible.
Everton level is of course hyperbole.
And fwiw, they're only so far ahead of Madrid because Madrid effectively gave up in the league and instead shifted their focus to the CL. They've been resting Ronaldo in the league this year and look at the effect it's had in the CL.
It's a massive red herring to use the La Liga table as proof of how good this Barca side is.
I don't think Messi covered Barca as well as Ronaldo does.
Cristiano covers a woeful Benzema, an inconsistent right side and a midfield completely lacking in goals.
Its as if Madrid said feck it, we will play completely to Cristianos strengths and we live or die by his performances.
He is their Messi, Neymar and Suarez rolled into one.
I've never said a word about his CL record, good or bad. I also don't judge how good a player is based on 4 cherry picked seasons where his team doesn't win one particular tournament. In fact, I don't judge the skill of a player based on his teams success or failure ever since it's absolutely ridiculous to do so.
That Barcelona was better everywhere... better defense, better midfield and Messi had better forwards next to him. Madrid only have a better keeper. This happened while Messi was in his prime, Ronaldo only got to play with the current team after his prime.
They've both obviously benefitted from the players around them, by how much is very subjective though.
Messi my man, losing to Roma isn't helping you in this debate
Or maybe you'll now realise it's about more than one player? Yes, without Ronaldo they wouldn't win the CL but without the other key players they wouldn't win it either.
Both Messi and Ronaldo need elite players around them otherwise their greatness is wasted. You can't throw them into a middle of the road club like a Valencia, Everton, Lazio type and expect them to still go on and win stuff like the CL. It's just impossible.
Better but only slightly better. No need to underrate a Madrid team. And I agree both players benefited from the players around them, Messi wasn't spoonfed like it was said here and Ronaldo did everything by himself.
If that was the case then one can put Quaresma right up their with the best of em if we are just going about talent. Talent alone don't make you the better player.
Yes, thanks to Messi, who wins them points game after game after game. Although he didn't do it today, that is still quite impressive, don't you think?Yea, so sad he’s on such a TERRIBLE team who are 10+ points clear in La Liga and 15 points ahead of Real Madrid
What a load of bollocks
“They’re not that good.”
10+ points clear in league, 15 ahead of Madrid
Like I said, Messi/Barca fans can keep telling themselves that. It’s an alltime great excuse/ misconception/ delusion but hey whatever makes them feel better.
Mdifield of Kroos and Modrić. Lacking in goals but probably the best midfield in the world. Not probably. Kovačić on the bench too.
This is the perfect example of why it's bullshit to blame Messi for tonight.
Pique defending like a schoolboy for the 2nd goal. Of course he would've turned into prime Baresi if Ronaldo was wearing the same kit as him. Or something.
So Ballon D’or going to Ronaldo unless he majorly fecks up in the CL and/or Argentina win the WC.
Very clear, Messi doesn´t have a good team that he can rely on.
That is absolutely true. But we are not talking about teams here we are talking about who the best player is and that play is Ronaldo any argument any way you try to put it all of to leads to Ronaldo being the better player. Messi is one of the greatest of all time but better then Cristiano Ronaldo? Nah
pretty much.
Dont be silly, the lose to Roma because of Messi, they win the league because of Rakitic and Umtiti.Yes, thanks to Messi, who wins them points game after game after game. Although he didn't do it today, that is still quite impressive, don't you think?
Well obviously.
Put Messi or Neymar in their side and they'll have a better chance of making the final too.
Although they would probably still get put out because like Barca their defence is terrible and you just can't win the CL defending like that.
It really shows how desperate some are to "prove" that they are right in a debate that will never end. It also shows the reason why they've removed the "2nd worst thread on the caf" from the title..
Messi became a club in this thread
Was it you or another user who said the league is consistent success whereas the CL is luck?
Either way, funny how people can flip back and forth with things such as this as long as it fits their narrative.
Juve?Is there even a single Real Madrid fan in the whole world who would take 2 league titles above 1 CL?
Who's bigger? Juve or Milan?
If Messi was the GOAT this is where you show it you provide that magic for your team you be Decisive. He was none existent.
Yeah, Messi is really flat truck bully, as proven in many CL finals and El Classicos.
I mean, how can Messi have an excuse in such a team that is full of goals, players like OG is their second top scorer in the competition and yet we are here debating about the quality of his teammates. The OG is obviously one of the best players in the world, and he is supporting Messi in every game.
Right now yes. Historically not even close.
Oh no, Messi is the most talented footballer ever imo. I’m just laughing at the excuses being made for him as I’m 1000% certain it wouldn’t be allowed it the tables were turned and it was Ronaldo. Quite amusing.Yes, thanks to Messi, who wins them points game after game after game. Although he didn't do it today, that is still quite impressive, don't you think?
I wouldn't have said the CL is luck so I doubt it.
There's no flipping back and forth. It's a fact that RM gave up on the league a long time ago. It's the smartest thing Zidane's ever done.
1-1, Madrid Derby, an hour gone and they take Ronaldo off? Their eggs are in the CL basket and as a result the league table is more lopsided than the reality.
Oh ffs.. I never said anything about talent being the only thing that matters either. How difficult is it for you guys to NOT put words in my mouth and actually reply to the words on the screen?
If Ronaldo wins CL this year then he's got to be the greatest surely Winning CL 3 in a row, more CL's than Messi, big international trophy. Messi still has a few years left though and could claim back the title. One thing for sure though ist that I have never been more convinced that the whole thing peddled by Messi fans about him being "on another planet/level" and that is not even close is complete and utter nonsense.
Oh I agree but their lack of goal threat would be a massive problem in most other clubs. You need Ronaldo / Liverpool front 3 to make it work.
Especially against the elite sides.
No, but if you're commenting about that fact of him and his teammates after the game today, maybe you should also notice those plays where he had the ball and Roma's sole purpose was stopping him because the rest of Barcelona players were toothless.No, just after the 2-0. Did I make any comment about the game?
If something sums up this Barcelona season, is one moment when he got the ball, advanced 15 meters between 5 Roma players, and after that his only options were Suarez in offside and Iniesta 4 meters behind him on the wing. He can't improve anyone if he's alone because they're holding up a line, because honestly they weren't defending today or in another bunch of games this year, that's were the 'for a team with so few goals conceeded they look awful at defending' posts come from.
Disgusting defending.
Are some seriously putting Ronaldo over Messi because of tonight's game when the latter is winning the league, most likely a double as single handed as such things go? Arguing over who is better is one thing but using trophies to justify Ronaldo being better is really strange considering Real have 2 titles in 10 years with all the others bar one going to Barcelona.
You’re acting as if they called off the league from the get go.
Madrid were utter crap to begin the year...just go back in this thread and see what people were saying. Madrid “gave up” on the league after they were already 10+ points behind and goes to show how much superior Barca were early on.
I was just saying never was saying that you made that point or was trying to attack you bud.
Even if Ronaldo doesn't play the semi final or final or the rest of the year for that matter and Real Madrid win the CL, the Ballon D'or is his. That is the rule of the competition. Only a Messi World Cup would change that.
Were talking about how Messi is a choker not simply trophies.
So why hasn't he choked the league away? It's the only tournament where he and Ronaldo are in direct competition with each other yet Messi wins it more. Amazing given he's both inferior and a choker, no?
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