[doomy20]

It´s funny how our Facebook account has shut his mouth for over 15 hours now. Normally they do like 5 post-game posts, marketing stuff and so on but i guess this time they know how embarrassing yesterday was. Every post would generate thousands of hate comments.

 

[Denis79]

I honestly expected a tough game but not a loss.

 

[TMDaines]

Must have been because it emptied out that we couldn’t hear it through the telly. Just seems that usually that would have been going till the final seconds to get the equaliser.

People were a bit stunned I think. I went from raising eyebrows and chuckling heartily at the Pogba sub, to getting increasingly vocal about Valencia’s lack of incision, to then just trying to support the team over the line when most had long stopped making any noise.

Again, the side offered little to get behind yesterday. We lost and deserved to fairly. This wasn’t like last season where we were the much better side for all those draws.

 

[TMDaines]

You say we are United then you want Simeone ?

Always good to see people exposing their name dropping having no knowledge behind it.

 

[Stu1975]

What a difference a week makes.
I try and stay away from the usual knee jerk reactions to results but the last week summed us up really.

Not consistent enough but how so many top players are able to put in as many poor performances especially at home is mind boggling.

 

[JohnnyKills]

I suppose this depends on what you mean by the "odd trophy". A PL title every few years? Definitely. An FA Cup / League Cup every now and then but without a PL title? Have doubts about this given how we mock certain rival clubs.

Yeah it was the former.

PL title every 4/5 years, permanent CL qualification and the odd FA Cup would be fine, for me at least. The odd CL would be great.

 

[Rash Decision]

Yeah it was the former.

PL title every 4/5 years, permanent CL qualification and the odd FA Cup would be fine, for me at least. The odd CL would be great.

We're on the same page then. But I'm not sure if we would have the patience to stick with a "better" manager while watching City dominate for the next 5 years, which I think is quite a plausible scenario. Personally I would, but then I haven't exactly been brought up on Fergie's winning machine.

 

[JohnnyKills]

We're on the same page then. But I'm not sure if we would have the patience to stick with a "better" manager while watching City dominate for the next 5 years, which I think is quite a plausible scenario. Personally I would, but then I haven't exactly been brought up on Fergie's winning machine.

Tbh I think that, having been brought up on that winning machine, I'm much more relaxed about trophies now. I've been lucky enough to see United go through the most glorious period in their history, so I've seen more than enough trophies.

The most important thing is ensuring we qualify for the CL every year, that we reach the quarter-finals on a regular basis, and that the football is good. If we do that, we'll remain one of the world's top clubs and, with our fanbase and financial firepower, the sustained success should take care of itself.

 

[Gordon S]

Terrible performance. Only De Gea and Smalling were ok imo.

I don't understand why Jose always backs Lukaku over Rashford?

Lukaku has had a good season but not fantastic, and he has been invisible for a few games as well. Rashford is easily good enough to play as a striker if Lukaku is not on form.

 

[Adisa]

Stopped watching Hong around the 78th minute in disgust. I know we would not score.
We couldn't even put them under pressure.
I see Spurs, Liverpool and City build wave after wave of attack. We just stand ambling around the pitch.
Feck off!

 

[The Brown Bull]

Not really surprised by the result.I couldn't help feeling that the comeback at the Emptyhad was more down to the players throwing off the shackles than Mouinho doing anything remarkable.We reverted to type yesterday .I was hoping Matic & Lukaku would be rested and we might try Rashford and Martial in attack, instead we got a mess.Very frustrating.

 

[R'hllor]

People dropping names of another managers as replacement and reasons why, is exactly way of thinking that got us here in the first place.

Like i said, i dont want JM sacked but after him when ever, it all depends on what club wants, a clear vision, a clear path towards specific goal.

So either club press reset button again and switch like they did from Moyes to LvG to JM but in that case, there should be a demand for clear vision and no more pressing reset buttons after or they decide to stick to similar type, in that case shout for Simeone isnt that laughable.

There is huge difference between what you want as a fan and whats best option, mind you both ways could lead you to biggest trophies at the end.

I just dont want pressing that reset button every so often while we look like we dont know what the feck we are doing as a club or what we want.

 

[trevor newnham]

too complacent. thought it was going to be a walkover.

 

[Mr PG]

Jose is furious, he is saying we did not move the ball quick enough, too many touches, too many flicks etc. He said we were playing complicated football. That it gave them time to get back into their shape. He said they were too high after the City win, it was just three points and everyone reacted like they had won the league.

We've been playing same way all season...not like this started yesterday and Mourinho of all people should know that old habits die hard and he didn't start addressing the problem till after the loss to Sevilla.

 

[downunder red]

Should be made to donate their match payments to charity. Disgusted in that performance.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

We've been playing same way all season...not like this started yesterday and Mourinho of all people should know that old habits die hard and he didn't start addressing the problem till after the loss to Sevilla.

It's the fact he knew they were on a high during the week, but doesn't appear to have addressed it, but used it to beat them with after this result. This is a common trend with him, when they get a bad result he will bring something up about what they were doing badly, but didn't actually do anything to correct it. Putting the blame all on the players, which some of the blame is theirs, but at the same time reminding us what a great record he has.

 

[Dr Fink]

My two-penneth on an afternoon wasted for me at OT, watching the dire weather and an even worse performance: why the feck play 2 holding midfielders against a team, bottom of the league that will get 10 men behind the ball and look to grab something from a set play? Yes - 2 holders against a top 4 team away from home (oh yeah, just like the City game!), but not against a side that need pace and guile to get around. FFS. I was in numbed shock coming home from the game yesterday. Rashford and/or Martial or Lingard should have been on from the start. Pace, then again who do we have with any guile to open up a 10 man defence? Pogba, the show pony? He was the worst player on the pitch yesterday for me.

How many of the players when they got the ball and looked up had their palms facing upwards and shrugged their shoulders? No movement in front of them.

How many of our players actually beat or tried to beat a man? Dreadful.

No desire, effort or know-how to beat a team that will be relegated (now do I mean from the manager or players........actually I mean both!)

Truly awful, right from the outset.

 

[Harry190]

How complicated can it be to put a simple cross in the box?

How complicated is it for one of the three players in the box to attempt a forward run when a ball is driven in low from the side instead of staying put?

It's as if football is not about scoring goals to them.

 

[DonFerguson]

It's the fact he knew they were on a high during the week, but doesn't appear to have addressed it, but used it to beat them with after this result. This is a common trend with him, when they get a bad result he will bring something up about what they were doing badly, but didn't actually do anything to correct it. Putting the blame all on the players, which some of the blame is theirs, but at the same time reminding us what a great record he has.

It gets old, and it's disappointing to hear from a manager. I'm not sure why constantly telling everyone how great he is and what he has accomplished while throwing our players under the bus seems like a good idea for a man who used to be lauded as a master in man-management. It's a little baffling? What does he anticipate would happen as a result of these types of comments? That players would be reved up and motivated and happy?

These is the of comments that lend credence to some of the theories on here that he starts sabotaging his teams when he realizes he can't turn it around. I just don't understand the mindset behind a human being feeling the need to talk himself up while bashing everyone around him, when he's paid to lead those men. And the worrisome thing is that these comments are getting more frequent.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

It gets old, and it's disappointing to hear from a manager. I'm not sure why constantly telling everyone how great he is and what he has accomplished while throwing our players under the bus seems like a good idea for a man who used to be lauded as a master in man-management. It's a little baffling? What does he anticipate would happen as a result of these types of comments? That players would be reved up and motivated and happy?

These is the of comments that lend credence to some of the theories on here that he starts sabotaging his teams when he realizes he can't turn it around. I just don't understand the mindset behind a human being feeling the need to talk himself up while bashing everyone around him, when he's paid to lead those men. And the worrisome thing is that these comments are getting more frequent.

I listen to him on MUTV saying all his stuff after the game. His mannerisms and the looks on his face were a bit worrying. That he was losing it a bit.

 

[DavidLayland]

I hope next season is Mourinho's last here. Just fecking go.

I just hope he goes at the end of THIS season.
Whilst Pep improves his players and gets the best out of them Jose seems to achieve the complete opposite. Enough is enough...its time to go. (I am not jumping on a bandwagon as I never wanted him in the first place, fearing that we would end up playing in this dreadful style)

 

[RedDevil@84]

The players should be ashamed of themselves (seems like I am repeating this for 5th or 6th time this season).
What were everyone playing at. The West Brom players were flooding near the box and we kept trying to pass through them. And we were once again too slow in reacting. Pass like idiots till all their players get back.

 

[DavidLayland]

These results happen over the years. Just normally you have a few more chances than we did.

But let's not go too heavy, West Brom had one chance, and got it. We had 3 or 4 Lukaku chances and didn't score, and didn't get that early pen.

It happens. We move on

West Brom had several chances (a clear one for Livermore and a few for Rondon). Our only clear cut chance would have been the penalty that wasn't given.

 

[joedirt87]

Terrible performance. Only De Gea and Smalling were ok imo.

I don't understand why Jose always backs Lukaku over Rashford?

Lukaku has had a good season but not fantastic, and he has been invisible for a few games as well. Rashford is easily good enough to play as a striker if Lukaku is not on form.

Mou is odd. He can be super quick to pull certain players, and others he will let them stay out there and never pull them. Lukaku is one of those that will always play and for the duration, much like Zlatan last year. I don’t dwell on Rashford or Martial getting games at striker because it’s not happening as long as Mourinho is still manager or Lukaku gets injured.

 

[JK-27]

If the players are not playing the game plan you worked and trained on during the week, why is that? Why are they ignoring you Mourinho? It's not the first time they've not played the game you wanted them to play.

 

[Bestietom]

A lot of hard work to be done this Summer. Just pathetic and so predictable. We need to move the ball faster and stop play acting and showboating.

Keano would have slapped some of our players, had he been playing. Pogba, Mata, Sanchez, Herrera, giving the ball away time after time. 4 shots on target playing the bottom team. NO excuses. How much are these being paid to act like clowns.

 

[redmanx]

fecking cnuts

I cant believe I paid to watch this shite!

 

[redmanx]

A lot of hard work to be done this Summer. Just pathetic and so predictable. We need to move the ball faster and stop play acting and showboating.

Keano would have slapped some of our players, had he been playing. Pogba, Mata, Sanchez, Herrera, giving the ball away time after time. 4 shots on target playing the bottom team. NO excuses. How much are these being paid to act like clowns.

If Pogba thinks his second half performance v City was good enough for us to ignore crap performances like this one, and too many others, he's deluded; he needs a Roy Keane to puncture his ego, bring him down to earth and get him to show respect to the fans by actually stringing a few half decent performances together; on that performance v WBA Gladiola is welcome to him! At least Sanchez looked like he was trying.

 

[Zoo]

You could throw a blanket over them.

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[Abusian]

You could throw a blanket over them.

This confirms what everyone watching would have seen: Mata and Sanchez far too central to begin with. When you add to that that they both like to cut inside, that left us with an incredibly narrow, congested attack playing right into the hands of a team that sits deep and compact like West Brom. Also, why play a midfield three at home against the worst team in the division? Shocking team selection and even worse tactics, I'm sorry to say!

Mata and Sanchez needed to play wider (or even better, we should have started with Jesse and Martial / Marcus), supporting and allowing Tony and Ash to get wider and closer to the byline, with Sanchez and Paul getting into the box to support Rom. Four shots was woeful productivity given how much possession we had.

A 4-1-4-1 with Matic holding and a front five of Marcus, Paul, Alexis, Jesse and Rom might have worked, at least it would have provided the width we needed to get in behind them.

 

[Alex Styles]

Oh hop off it. Him being replaced directly led to our shiteness. Didnt play well but Pogba Out? Really? Ffs relax.

Even though I was emotional when I said that, I still stand by what I said. I've never in the past been Pogba Out though I've had my doubts about him and whether or not we do play betterwith or without him. I am convinced that Pogba has the talent but not the mentality of what it takes to wear the shirt. He's simply a social media player and a child from what it seems. I do not expect that to change. I believe SAF may have been right all along to get rid.

 

[Tom Foster]

The biggest mystery to me is how we are still in second place. If we hang on, I fear it may lead to a false sense of importance going in to next season and then we’ll be hearing the now usual “we only need one or two new players” and off we go again.
If we fast forward 10 years and someone asks me to name the Mourinho United team, I wouldn’t have a clue what it was.
I can still name the Busby teams, the Docherty team, the Atkinson team. Hell, even the Sexton team.
I doubt if anyone can guess this weekend’s crucial cup game.

 

[sunama]

So, people are actually saying, "Sack the manager, sell the players". After one loss?

Listen, I too am pissed off at beating the best team in the league one week and the following losing to the bottom of the table, but this is not a regular occurrence. We won 5 league games in a row before yesterday.We beat the likes of LFC and MCFC (historically, our biggest rivals).

The issue we have is that our players lack motivation against smaller teams and unless we go behind by 1 or 2 goals, our players struggle for motivation. This is what Jose needs to work on and I am happy to let him work on this. He is a top class manager and I would not be happy to see him give up and quit.

The other issue is that if he leaves, we won't be winning the title for at least 2 years, because the new manager will need to buy his own players and create his own team. This takes time. There won't be any quick title wins for us, I'm afraid. Jose on the other hand should be able to mount a title charge next season.

A lot of people want us to hire Poch. What if he ends up losing 3-4 games in quick succession. Are you all going to be shouting, "Poch out!" Then what? Hire another manager?

The definition of lunacy is to do the same thing and expect different results.
Woodward understood this, so after letting go of Moyes hired an experienced manager.
When LVG failed to work out and he understood that we needed trophies (otherwise we'd get left behind, like LFC have), he hired a serial winner who has a track record of winning. And this is the very reason why I want Jose to stay and win trophies for us.

Now, after Jose has won us the title, this would be the point at which if Jose wanted to leave, I'd have no qualms about letting go of him.

 

[Martial]

Great post above.

 

[Sandikan]

Our only clear cut chance would have been the penalty that wasn't given.

This is utter garb.

Lukaku had at least 4 chances outside of that.

Were you out the room when he had that header saved, and the commentators replayed it a thousand times? just for one?

 

[MUFC Rog]

Hi All new to the forum! thanks. Had a terrible day at work with all the liverpool and city fans!! just dont understand why we dont start with Rashford! its unreal! Herrera not good enough for United, not really a fan of the manager either!! sorry very negative first post on here

 

[Andersons Dietician]

The other issue is that if he leaves, we won't be winning the title for at least 2 years, because the new manager will need to buy his own players and create his own team. This takes time. There won't be any quick title wins for us, I'm afraid. Jose on the other hand should be able to mount a title charge next season.

Ah this old line again... it’s like no manager has ever won a title in their first year of taking over a team ever. This has become gospel for people who seem incapable of thinking for themselves.

 

[Whatsername]

My two-penneth on an afternoon wasted for me at OT, watching the dire weather and an even worse performance...
FFS. I was in numbed shock coming home from the game yesterday.

It cost us over £100 for match tickets and train travel, we were out of the house for 10 hours. When I think what I could have done with that money and that time
Walking back to the station, cold and soaking wet, we'd go quiet, have a rant and shake our heads in disbelief before falling into silence again.

And to make matters worse in the stadium if the football wasn't bad enough, there were just four other supporters, the netting and a steward between us and the away support.

 

[Chairman Woodie]

The issue we have is that our players lack motivation against smaller teams and unless we go behind by 1 or 2 goals, our players struggle for motivation. This is what Jose needs to work on and I am happy to let him work on this. He is a top class manager and I would not be happy to see him give up and quit.

Is it a lack of motivation or do United underestimate those teams?

I think many United fans underestimate teams like WBA. I tipped WBA to win on Sunday, and the idea was dismissed. But WBA had every motivation to go for three points.

If WBA players were advertising themselves to PL clubs on Sunday, they will have no shortage of offers. Jay Rodriguez for one.

 

[Swift Football]

Is it a lack of motivation or do United underestimate those teams?

I think many United fans underestimate teams like WBA. I tipped WBA to win on Sunday, and the idea was dismissed. But WBA had every motivation to go for three points.

If WBA players were advertising themselves to PL clubs on Sunday, they will have no shortage of offers. Jay Rodriguez for one.

Well, we lost points in a few matches right after we played a great match, so given last weekend's exploits, there was some signs.
Considering its OT and West brom have won very few games this season, i dint expect us to lose or draw this one. But I was not surprised/angered when we lost. One thing Jose has done brilliantly is manage fans' expectations.