Thanks and @Edgar Allan Pillow too.
Pre Premier League Draft
- Thread starter Indnyc
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Guys.. We are having trouble deciding on the interpretation of average pick times for chesterlestreet. Since he effectively gets two picks at the same time, should his average time be divided by 6 or still by 12?
After thinking about it my thoughts are it should be divided by 6 but please let me know if there are others who feel differently about it. It was my mistake that it wasn't clarified in the beginning of the draft
After thinking about it my thoughts are it should be divided by 6 but please let me know if there are others who feel differently about it. It was my mistake that it wasn't clarified in the beginning of the draft
I am going to make your life more difficult by saying that those in #1 and #16 could easily choose not to make their 2 consecutive picks at (around) the same time
There is no easy way out, so...good luck?
tagging some regular neutrals to best decide the outcome. @crappycraperson @harms @idmanager @2mufc0
The match between tuppet and chester ended in a draw with average pick times to decide the winner. There isn't a clear whether we should divide chesters by 6 or 12 as he was no.16 so gets 2 picks at the same
Also @P-Nut0712
So if you're no.1 or 16 and it's 60 minutes since previous person picked, assuming you DO pick two back to back (likely), you effectively get 60 mins for both picks?
If you're not at either end, you can take 100 minutes on way down then 10 minutes on way back and get average of 55? So, if you're 2-15, you can muck up once then have chance to compensate?
If you're not at either end, you can take 100 minutes on way down then 10 minutes on way back and get average of 55? So, if you're 2-15, you can muck up once then have chance to compensate?
It's a tricky situation.
On one hand those at either end of the snake have the advantage to pick in successive turns, but then if you divide it into 6 they are disadvantaged in a way that if they aren't around at their pick time their average time will essentially get doubled due to being multiplied by 2.
If you multiply it by 6 then those at 2 and 15 will get the most benefits as they would know their next pick and can easily send in 2-3 options that would be safe considering they only have 2 picks before their turn, whilst that's not the case if you are asleep at the time #8 picks and you are #16 in the picking order for example.
On one hand those at either end of the snake have the advantage to pick in successive turns, but then if you divide it into 6 they are disadvantaged in a way that if they aren't around at their pick time their average time will essentially get doubled due to being multiplied by 2.
If you multiply it by 6 then those at 2 and 15 will get the most benefits as they would know their next pick and can easily send in 2-3 options that would be safe considering they only have 2 picks before their turn, whilst that's not the case if you are asleep at the time #8 picks and you are #16 in the picking order for example.
Yeah.. There isn't.. Onenil essentially did that.. Chester did not.. I have a view but i have tagged some regular neutrals to decide the outcome.. I think that is probably the best solutionI am going to make your life more difficult by saying that those in #1 and #16 could easily choose not to make their 2 consecutive picks at (around) the same time
There is no easy way out, so...good luck?
I think when we tried it we set a minimal time of 30 mins per pick. So if you are at either end of the snake you can pick your first player for 40 mins for example and the next one has 30 mins minimal time for you to pick - 70 in total.
I realize.. This is not easy.. If we go by the strict interpretations then it probably should go to chester.. I have left it to some of the neutrals to give their view and then we can decide.. It is unfortunate and someone losing this way is the last thing i wanted
Ok, lets apply mathematical logic to it.
1. Player number 1 or 16 get their double pick chance at minute 0.
2. The player is not online till minute x.
3. He comes online at minute x+1 and then picks 2 players after 99 more minutes and so posts x+100 minutes.
4. Where he gets the advantage or disadvantage is based on value of x
If x is 30, he gets advantage as he gets 2 super fast picks,
But if x is 300, he gets a disadvantage of 2 super slow picks.
So eventually it averages out and the number depends on how quickly he made those 6 picks which is what the concept of pick timings is about.
I think it should be divided by 6.
1. Player number 1 or 16 get their double pick chance at minute 0.
2. The player is not online till minute x.
3. He comes online at minute x+1 and then picks 2 players after 99 more minutes and so posts x+100 minutes.
4. Where he gets the advantage or disadvantage is based on value of x
If x is 30, he gets advantage as he gets 2 super fast picks,
But if x is 300, he gets a disadvantage of 2 super slow picks.
So eventually it averages out and the number depends on how quickly he made those 6 picks which is what the concept of pick timings is about.
I think it should be divided by 6.
Who's got the Simpsons flaming torches image?
Makes sense.
It's really unfortunate to go into decider(#1 an #16 included in the game). It happens very rarely a game to end up in a tie, but just saw that it was really low scoring game and probably that played part in having already 2 games decided by pick time.
Tough decision that probably should've been decided before we started the picking process otherwise we fall into scenarios of interpretation that would be really hard to produce a fair outcome.
But then again those happen really rare and often we can't encompass all possible scenarios from the beginning of the draft.
Typically it would be 6 based on our limited recent experience. That said, I'm not sure if that's completely fair as Enigma alluded to, and having been at the bottom of a previous snake, I remember once having one pick ready to go but couldn't make my mind up on a second. Ultimately you still have to think of 2 picks but it's being treated in the time stakes as 1. That said, it's probably too generous to do 12, because you don't have to respond to 12 picks, only 6.
That's how you sit on the fence lads.
That's how you sit on the fence lads.
I agree.. It should have been agreed upon but it isn't fair either way we look at it.. Which is why i feel letting neutrals who have no skin in the game is probably the best way to look at it
I'm sat on the fence alongside @Gio . You could just fanny out of making a decision regarding times (as I almost certainly would) and have an old school 'penalty shootout'. Although they were jettisoned for being shite...
Hmm, could just avoid the issue of pick times and just open up "extra-time" voting for another 4-6 hours or something for undecided voters if @Edgar Allan Pillow and @Indnyc are okay with changing how to decide draws
Isn't 5-5 some sort of a record? 
Probably the lowest score I've seen in a draft game.
Probably the lowest score I've seen in a draft game.Another good thought.. But since we decided on average pick times, we should somewhat try sticking to that
Yeah.. And Chester didn't even have a single postIsn't 5-5 some sort of a record?
Divide by 6. They only get 8 hrs for both picks, so it's considered part of same pick irrespective of whether they choose to make it together or split.
This or one of the matches from the Americas draft. Definitely a big difference in voter turnout when its not all big known names.Isn't 5-5 some sort of a record?
@Indnyc as above...
To be fair, also understandably the slowest draft to fill up the manager slots.
Usually get filled in an hour
Divided by 6. This was already decided in an earlier draft, even in the serie a one.
so just 6 pick times divided by 6
Thank you
And that's for both ends.
Forgot to vote in that game.
Ok.. Universal consensus is we should divide by 6 by neutrals and also the draft masters.
With that the match goes to @Tuppet
With that the match goes to @Tuppet
Round 1 Matches - Winners in Bold
EAP vs Indnyc
cal vs mjj
youngrell vs beforekeanetherewasrobson
onenil vs frankgrimes
skizzo/pat vs greensmiley
Enigma/TRV vs Oaencha
Chesterlestreet vs Tuppet
KM/Invictus/Sjor vs Gio - Ongoing
EAP vs Indnyc
cal vs mjj
youngrell vs beforekeanetherewasrobson
onenil vs frankgrimes
skizzo/pat vs greensmiley
Enigma/TRV vs Oaencha
Chesterlestreet vs Tuppet
KM/Invictus/Sjor vs Gio - Ongoing
There was a 2-0 once. Think it was a dead rubber from the 50s group stage.Isn't 5-5 some sort of a record?
So, on basis of decision just made, no.1 will be divided by 7 if (please God no), we have a tie?