Your ideal 11 - 2018/19 and outs (being realistic)

[Tom Van Persie]

Outs:
Darmian
Blind
Shaw (can't see him staying)
Jones (I would keep him if he could stay fit but his constant injuries have become a big problem for me)
Fellaini
Mata (only signed that 1 year extension, right? I can see us selling Mata in the summer to make room for a new attacker)

In:
Alderweireld
Sidibe
Sandro
Jorginho
Willian

 

[Murray3007]

De Gea
TFM Bailly Dier/De Ligt Bertrand
Neves Matic Pogba
Mahrez Lukkaku Sanchez

Romero
Valencia Lindelof Tuanzebe Shaw
Herrera Mctomminey Perrira
Lingard Rashford Martial

Ins - CB Dier or De Ligt
LB - Bertrand
CM - Neves
RW - Mahrez

promote TFM and Tuanzebe

would let go 2 out of 3 of either Smalling, Jones or Rojo
Carrick and Fellaini will go from midfield
Blind and Darmain look likely to go.
Young has been pretty good this season but if he wants to play regular i would let him go.
Have a sneaky feeling Martial will go as well but i hope we keep him.

could really do with another CM player as well to be honest, maybe Lewis Cook from Bournemouth and would ideally like us to get Sessegnon from Fulham as well

 

[RoyH1]

Unless the Glazers own a couple of oil fields I don't know about and are throwing the product of those at Woodie, some of you guys have utterly unrealistic expectations.

 

[jderbyshire]

I'm torn between absolutely despising these kind of threads, and just going "ah well, it's just a bit of fun"

De Gea
Azpilicueta Bailly Lindelof Tierney
Matic
Jorginho Pogba
Lingard Lukaku Sanchez​

 

[Murray3007]

Serious question, are people generally happy with Lukaku then, do you rate him? I remember when we signed Fellaini I got panned for slating his first touch and passing ability. To me he is the striking equivalent. Of course he should be the top scored playing up front.....£75m for a best of a human being that cant actually hold the ball up and has the first touch of a player several leagues below. With his back to goal he is absolutely abysmal. His work rate and movement around the area is good, he is good in the air and a decent finisher. Personally I would far rather have Martial up front, a fantastic talent who we have wasted on the wing for the majority of his time with us. He has had his problems off the field and consistency wise for us, he is young though. But he is a player I think we will lose and be talking about in a few years of how did we let him get away.

think Lukaku is ideal v the smaller clubs but certainly would prefer a Rashford up front in the bigger games if honest, i would say i have seen an improvement in the Lukaku 1st touch and hold up play since that start of the season so clearly they are working on it but still needs to improve big style. but having spent big on him i think we will defo have him for the next couple of seasons here.

 

[Bestietom]

Mourinho will bring in 2 midfielders and 2 full backs. But we need a right winger also.

 

[Trizy]

------------De Gea
Meunier-Toby-Bailey-Sandro
Verratti-------Matic----Pogba
Mahrez-----Lukaku-----Sanchez

IN
Sandro - 50m
Meunier - 50m
Toby - 40m
Verratti - 100m
Mahrez - 60m
Total - 300m

OUT
Martial? - 80m
Mata - 15m
Darmian - 15m
Blind - 15m
Fellaini - Free
Smalling - 30m
Total - 155m

 

[CM]

It's hard to be realistic with things like this because what I want definitely won't align with what Mourinho does.

de Gea
RB Bailly Smalling LB
Matic
CM Pogba
Lingard Lukaku Sanchez

Romero
Valencia Jones Rojo Shaw
McTominay/DM
Herrera Pereira
Mata Rashford Martial
​

That's best case scenario really. I would like to think Herrera and Martial could become first-teamers but don't think it's very likely, especially for the latter. As long as players like Shaw, Pereira and Martial don't get sold I think I'll cope though.

I think Darmian, Lindelof and Fellaini should all definitely go but I expect Lindelof will survive the cull on the basis of it being his first season with Blind taking his place.

 

[Ballache]

Out:

Blind
Darmian
Fellaini
Carrick
Martial (I don't want this to happen but looks likely)
Mata (I love him but I feel we need more pace on the right)
McT (Loan)
TFM (Loan)
Tuanzebe (Loan)

In:
Pjanic
Mahrez
Neves
Sandro
Meunier

-------------------DDG----------------
Meunier-Bailly-Rojo-Sandro
------------------Matic----------------
-----Pjanic--------------Pogba----
Mahrez--------------------Sanchez
----------------Lukaku----------------

 

[charlenefan]

1st XI

---------------De Gea---------------
Valencia--Bailly--Alderweireld--Sandro
----------------Matic-----------------
-------Herrera---------Pogba-------
Willian---------Lukaku---------Sanchez

2nd XI

---------------Romero---------------
TFM----Smalling----Lindelof----Young
-----McTominay------New CM-----
Mata----------Lingard----------Martial
--------------Rashford--------------

Not sure what I'd do with Rojo and Jones but I'd definitely sell Darmian, Blind and Shaw as well as Fellaini (out of contact) and Carrick (retiring) leaving as well

 

[Invictus]

Dunno, realistic is such a subjective term. Umm, this is fairly realistic, though I suspect we're not going to make more than 2-3 signings.

• Attacking midfielder/forward: Cengiz Ünder (Turkish Salah/Dybala — left footed nominal right attacker with solid technique, close control, eye for goal and evasiveness).

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• Central midfielder: Mateo Kovacić (Neves, Ruiz, De Jong and co. are a bit too green and Kovacić could be an excellent signing considering his overall skill set, functional versatility, and age — only 24 at the start of next season).
• Holding midfielder (ideal understudy for Matić over the next couple of seasons): Rodrigo Hernández.

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• Leftback: Alex Sandro.
• Developmental player: Diogo Dalot (nominal right-back who can play on both flanks — promising project fullback given the age profile of Valencia and Young).

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Out: Carrick, Fellaini, Shaw, maybe use Mata and Darmian and Blind and Pereira as bargaining chip(s) with Villarreal, Porto, Juventus and Roma.

Not too far fetched all things considered — 3 starting XI players who can contribute right off the bat in Sandro, Kovacić and Ünder — and 2 youngsters who can emerge as starters over the next couple of seasons in Dalot and Rodri. Reckon you'll cover most bases with those transfers in terms of getting a boost in quality and improving the squad in all departments, plus, it's not too disruptive because you're not changing the starting XI that much.

 

[Rawls]

It's somewhat difficult to reconcile realistic with ideal IMO; for instance, an ideal starting XI for me next season would involve Martial, but how realistic would that be considering (a) that José will very likely still be the manager next season, (b) José would likely only see Martial as a depth player, not as a starter, and (c) Martial may not even be at the club next season.

I'm going to focus on the "realistic" constraint first as opposed to the "ideal" constraint.

Needs:
RB - Valencia will be 33 before the start of the 2018/2019 season, plus a lack of depth behind him.
LB - Young will also be 33 before the start of next season, plus we also lack depth at LB.
CDM - Matic will be 30 before the start of the season, and we will be lacking depth in the wake of Carrick's retirement.
CM - Herrera will be 29 before the start of the season; IMO, his playing style is one which will not age well. Could also buy an improvement on Herrera.
RW - Lack of quality here

Realistic Options:
RB - Odriozola
LB - Alex Sandro
CDM - Torreira (In a vacuum, Jorginho is the best option, but would be a waste of his abilities to play under a José side)
CM - Seri
RW - Cengiz Under (I think Roma may have some problems with FFP; makes them somewhat vulnerable in terms of selling good players)


Given what José is likely to do, this would be my ideal line-up:

 

[RedTillI'mDead]

In: Manchester City/ Real Madrid/ Bayern Munich/ Barcelona first team
Out: Manchester Utd first team


Is this roughly what you were looking for

 

[sunama]

11 out 5 in £150m spend

In the last 3 decades, have we ever had 11 out and 5 in?
This is not realistic.

And the idea that we should sell Rojo and Blind, while keeping Shaw?
Rojo and Blind have each put in more good performances than Shaw, over the last few years.
And let's not forget that Shaw is either injured, unfit to play, fat or all 3? On what basis would anybody in the right mind want to keep Shaw? He is into the final year of his contract this Summer and we need to off-load him. If lucky, we might get £10M, though more likely it will be closer to the £5M. The guy just doesn't seem keen on being a pro footballer.

 

[P-Nut]

DDG
Meuneir Smalling Alderweireld Sandro
SMS Matic
Lingard Pogba Alexis
Lukaku

J. Periera
Valencia Bailly Jones Young
Herrera Fred
Mata A.Periera Rashford
?

Seems if we stick to Mourinhos no attackers coming in then we are a bit thin on the ground for a 4231 (If Martial leaves)

If we switch to a 433 (my personal preference)

DDG
Meuneir Smalling Alderweireld Sandro
SMS Matic Pogba
Lingard Lukaku Sanchez

J. Periera
Valencia Bailly Jones Young
Herrera Fred A. Pereira
Mata Rashford Chong?

Much more manageable with the 3 midfielders having more cover for each other and with Sanchez and Rashford covering multiple positions each.

As for outs I fully expect a decent sized clear out while promoting some of the youths to back up options.

Shaw, Darmian, Blind
Fellaini and Carrick
Martial

Personally hope we keep Martial, but with his minutes not showing any signs of improving I doubt it to be the case.

 

[JMack1234]

GK- De Gea
RB- Valenica
CB- Bailly
CB-Alderweireld
LB- Alex Sandro

DM- Matic
CM- Milinkovic- Savic
CM- Pogba

RW- Martial
ST- Lukaku
LW- Alexis

 

[P-Nut]

Dunno, realistic is such a subjective term. Umm, this is fairly realistic, though I suspect we're not going to make more than 2-3 signings.

• Attacking midfielder/forward: Cengiz Ünder (Turkish Salah/Dybala — left footed nominal right attacker with solid technique, close control, eye for goal and evasiveness).

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• Central midfielder: Mateo Kovacić (Neves, Ruiz, De Jong and co. are a bit too green and Kovacić could be an excellent signing considering his overall skill set, functional versatility, and age — only 24 at the start of next season).
• Holding midfielder (ideal understudy for Matić over the next couple of seasons): Rodrigo Hernández.

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• Leftback: Alex Sandro.
• Developmental player: Diogo Dalot (nominal right-back who can play on both flanks — promising project fullback given the age profile of Valencia and Young).

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Out: Carrick, Fellaini, Shaw, maybe use Mata and Darmian and Blind and Pereira as bargaining chip(s) with Villarreal, Porto, Juventus and Roma.

Not too far fetched all things considered — 3 starting XI players who can contribute right off the bat in Sandro, Kovacić and Ünder — and 2 youngsters who can emerge as starters over the next couple of seasons in Dalot and Rodri. Reckon you'll cover most bases with those transfers in terms of getting a boost in quality and improving the squad in all departments, plus, it's not too disruptive because you're not changing the starting XI that much.

Do you see Mourinho heading into next season with the same CBs though? Given how much he's complained about the speed the ball has been coming out from the defence I can see him wanting to change it up.

 

[Canagel]

I'd like this 11 for next season: (new signings in bold)

DDG
Meunier Bailly Alderweireld Sandro
Matic
Rabiot Pogba
Malcolm Lukaku Sanchez

Five signings. Very doable and covers all the weak areas in the team.

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[golden_blunder]

Out: Shaw 28m (according to reports), Darmin 15m, Blind 20m, Martial 60m, Johnstone 10m and Smalling or Jones 25m. Total outgoing: £158m

Alderweireld £40m
Meunier £40m
Sandro £50m
Ruben Neves £40m
Verrati or Kroos £80m
Bale £60m
David Neres £25m.

Total spending incoming: £335m + Outgoing: £158m = £177m spending net.

De Gea
Meunier Bailly Alderweirld Sandro
Kroos/Verrati Matic Pogba
Bale Lukaku Sanchez


Bench: Joel Periera, Ruben Neves, David Nerse, Valenica, Herrera, Rashford, Lindelof.​

Wake up and eat your cornflakes

 

[deafepl]

Wake up and eat your cornflakes

No, thanks for asking. Maybe not too realistic but still possible to do it with a net spend, that would erase all of our weakness in the team.

 

[Invictus]

Do you see Mourinho heading into next season with the same CBs though? Given how much he's complained about the speed the ball has been coming out from the defence I can see him wanting to change it up.

No idea, mate. I was just spit-balling with some of the suggestions, and also had to cut corners to keep it semi-realistic, and you could argue that we need a dedicated right-attacker, a couple of midfielders and fullbacks more than we need centerbacks on a loosely defined list of priorities. Our current set isn't perfect by any means, and like you pointed out, our distribution and tempo could be better considering José had the likes of Carvalho, Lúcio, Ramos at previous clubs — so there's definite room for improvement as regards personnel, but it's not a super-pressing need in relative terms in a tricky World Cup market, and I'd like to see more of Lindelöf before making a big signing. If he doesn't pan out as a defensive distributor by the second half of next season, then we can move for someone like maybe Škriniar — who's been superb this season and is 6 years younger than Alderweireld while offering a similar overall skill set in possession:

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More complete than Lenglet (who we've been linked with) and already a sound defensive organizer.

 

[Frank Grimes]

Out: Blind, Darmian, Rojo, Fellaini, Carrick, Mata

In: Tierney, Alderweireld, Fabinho, Sidibe, Willian

 

[dannyrhinos89]

In

Munier
Alderweireld
Alex Sandro
A midfielder
A winger

Out

Darmian, blind, martial, shaw, fellaini and rojo.

 

[Skåre Willoch]

No, thanks for asking. Maybe not too realistic but still possible to do it with a net spend, that would erase all of our weakness in the team.

... sure, if you get a 50% coupon on Verratti and Kroos, and a 30% coupon on the rest, that is totally realistic.

 

[golden_blunder]

Sessegnon is not a LB! He plays LM/LW

TFM as backup to Valencia? The biggest complaint against Valencia is his crossing!

Mourinho keeps saying it recently - we won’t be spending to match City

Therefore I expect no more than 4 in. I don’t envisage is binning more than 4-5 either

Remember it’s World Cup time so will be limited time to get deals done, we won’t be leaving the squad short

IMHO of course

 

[P-Nut]

No idea, mate. I was just spit-balling with some of the suggestions, and also had to cut corners to keep it semi-realistic, and you could argue that we need a dedicated right-attacker, a couple of midfielders and fullbacks more than we need centerbacks on a loosely defined list of priorities. Our current set isn't perfect by any means, and like you pointed out, our distribution and tempo could be better considering José had the likes of Carvalho, Lúcio, Ramos at previous clubs — so there's definite room for improvement as regards personnel, but it's not a super-pressing need in relative terms in a tricky World Cup market, and I'd like to see more of Lindelöf before making a big signing. If he doesn't pan out as a defensive distributor by the second half of next season, then we can move for someone like maybe Škriniar — who's been superb this season and is 6 years younger than Alderweireld while offering a similar overall skill set in possession:

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More complete than Lenglet (who we've been linked with) and already a sound defensive organizer.

Yeah I'm along the same lines personally but with all the noise and fuss Mourinho has kicked up over it I can't see it happening. I'm most concerned about our RW as again he seems to be happy with it, despite it quite obviously lacking.

 

[Indnyc]

Highly doubt we are buying more than 3 players.. I expect the team to look something like



A new Left Back, A new Midfielder and if Martial leaves, a new attacker

 

[MUFC OK]

IN:
Alex Sandro
Alderweireld
Kimmich (if not realistic then Meunier)
Sergei Milinkovic Savic/Veratti
Ruben Neves (loaned back to Wolves)
Ryan Sessegnon (loaned back to Fulham)

OUT:
Carrick
Fellaini
Darmian
Blind
Rojo
Shaw

De Gea

Kimmich Alderweireld Bailly Alex Sandro
Matic
SMS Pogba
Sanchez Martial
Lukaku
​

 

[Laurentiu amt]

I'd like this 11 for next season: (new signings in bold)

DDG
Meunier Bailly Alderweireld Sandro
Matic
Rabiot Pogba
Malcolm Lukaku Sanchez

Five signings. Very doable and covers all the weak areas in the team.

​

Doesn't Rabiot play in the same position Pogba plays, on the left?

 

[onemanarmy]

IN:
Alex Sandro
Alderweireld
Kimmich (if not realistic then Meunier)
Sergei Milinkovic Savic/Veratti
Ruben Neves (loaned back to Wolves)
Ryan Sessegnon (loaned back to Fulham)

OUT:
Carrick
Fellaini
Darmian
Blind
Rojo
Shaw

De Gea

Kimmich Alderweireld Bailly Alex Sandro
Matic
SMS Pogba
Sanchez Martial
Lukaku
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Really? Realistic?

Let's forget Kimmich which would be impossible, but include Meunier. I would think the lot would cost close to 300 million.

 

[MUFC OK]

Really? Realistic?

Let's forget Kimmich which would be impossible, but include Meunier. I would think the lot would cost close to 300 million.

I think £300m is a slight overestimate, but we do have that kind of money, and lets not forget we are chasing City who will invest heavily again. I did caveat the Kimmich signing, but if I were to bet on a world class RB for the next 10 years it would be him, Meunier I would accept though.

IN:
Alex Sandro p/ex Darmian+£45m
Alderweireld £40m
Kimmich £50m/Meunier £35m
Sergei Milinkovic Savic £70m
Ruben Neves £30m
Ryan Sessegnon £30m

OUT:
Carrick Free
Fellaini Free
Darmian p/ex
Blind £20m
Rojo £15m
Shaw £25m

Net £205m

Can one not dream?

Edit: yes I have played football manager.

 

[T A]

DG - Meunier, Alderweireld, Bailly, Jose Gaya - Dier, Matic, Pogba - Douglas Costa, Lukaku, Sanchez - this team can challenge everything

 

[Canagel]

Doesn't Rabiot play in the same position Pogba plays, on the left?

I'm pretty sure that's Verrati but the two can interchange perfectly like they do for France. Last friendly Kante was playing DM and Rabiot and Pogba infront. Pogba was more on the left.

 

[Inter Yer Nan]

"Hate" Lukaku? He's one of the most likable players in the squad not to mention one of the harder workers and better performers this season. Baffling.

Anyway I think the outs will be Carrick (retirement), Fellaini (free), Darmian, Blind, Martial and Shaw. Those combined will probably fetch us 80m so can see a summer transfer kitty of around 200m.

In
Alderweireld and Sandro seem realistic and perhaps a right back (Meunier). I think if Martial goes we'll end up getting someone of quality up the field if not then I think we'll get a midfielder or maybe both.

What I'd like to see would be : -

De Gea

Meunier
Bailly
Alderweireld
Sandro

Matic
Pogba
Herrera

Greizmann
Sanchez
Lukaku

That has best team in Europe potential.

 

[DWelbz19]

De Gea
RB* - Smalling - Bailly/Jones - Sandro
Herrera
Fred** - Pogba
Alexis - Lukaku - Martial***
​

* Much of a muchness out there in terms of RBs, but I’d take whoever to stop seeing Valencia. Ditto LB and Young - though Sandro is mustard and wants to leave. Must buy.

** I’d take any dynamic CM who can play box to box, withstand the press, and pass the ball moderately well. Kovacic, Seri, Rodri etc.

*** Martial will probably be gone and it’ll be Sanchez on the left, so I’d take a new RW as we have no natural ones. Mahrez would be great.

 

[deafepl]

... sure, if you get a 50% coupon on Verratti and Kroos, and a 30% coupon on the rest, that is totally realistic.

I'm going by the value according to the most reports, Sure Kroos or Verrarti can be valued in the range of 80-120m especially with Verrarti being younger. If we add a couple of tens million, I'm going to exclude David Neres. I don't think that would be a problem.

 

[bucky]

De Gea/Pereira

Ricardo Pereira/Valencia - Bailly/Jones/Lindelof - Rojo/Smalling - Alex Sandro/Young

Rodrigo/Matic

NDombele/Herrera - Pogba

Fekir/Lingard

Lukaku/Rashford - Alexis/Martial
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Out: Darmian, Shaw, Blind, Fellaini, Mata (unfortunately), Carrick

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

Not my ideal, but what i think we will do.

IN:

Djibril Sidibe ~ 40m
Kieran Tierney ~ 20m
Fred ~ 40m
Malcom ~ 40m

OUT:

Daley Blind ~ 15m
Matteo Darmian ~ 15m
Luke Shaw ~ 20m
Michael Carrick ~ End of contract
Marouane Fellaini ~ End of contract

Alexis - Lukaku - Malcom
Pogba - Matic - Fred
Tierney - Jones - Smalling - Sidibe
DDG

-

Rashford
Martial - Lingard - Mata
McTominay - Herrera
Young - Rojo/Lindelof - Bailly - Valencia
Romero
​

Would be nice with a DM to rotate with Matic, but 5 players is maybe a bit too optimistic.

​

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

Don’t want to see too many changes to first 11 in one go something like this....

De Gea/Romero
Valencia/TFM Bailly/Smalling Alderweireld/Lindelof Shaw/Sessegnon
Matic/McTominay
Kovacic/Herrera Pogba/Pereira
Mahrez/Lingard Lukaku/Rashford Sanchez/Martial

Give Valencia one more year before upgrading, give Shaw a full season to see if he can make it here. To be fair not sure on which CM we should go for!!

 

[golden_blunder]

I think £300m is a slight overestimate, but we do have that kind of money, and lets not forget we are chasing City who will invest heavily again. I did caveat the Kimmich signing, but if I were to bet on a world class RB for the next 10 years it would be him, Meunier I would accept though.

IN:
Alex Sandro p/ex Darmian+£45m
Alderweireld £40m
Kimmich £50m/Meunier £35m
Sergei Milinkovic Savic £70m
Ruben Neves £30m
Ryan Sessegnon £30m

OUT:
Carrick Free
Fellaini Free
Darmian p/ex
Blind £20m
Rojo £15m
Shaw £25m

Net £205m

Can one not dream?

Edit: yes I have played football manager.

why is everyone blatantly ignoring what Jose has been saying the last few weeks? We won’t be splashing city level cash