Pre Premier League Draft - Quarter Finals - MJJ vs. EAP

[Indnyc]

This is a Pre Premier League draft from 1971/72 to 1991/92 where managers assemble their squads by selecting players based on their playing performance during this time period only. Performances that fall outside this time period should not be considered. Neither should the players performance for their country/international tournaments be considered. As in any team, team tactics and balance also play a part.

Hence please carefully consider the abovesaid factors and evaluate the merits of both teams before voting for the team which in your opinion is likelier to win the match.

Team MJJ



VS

Team Edgar Allan Pillow

Tactics MJJ

Joe Corrigan- England's third best goal keeper in the 70s, behind shilton and clemence.

• Manchester City Player of the Year: 1976, 1978, 1980

Stuart Pearce- One of England’s greatest defenders; a tough-tackling, no-nonsense full-back with a terrific left foot which helped him register 87 career goals.

• PFA First Division Team of the Year: 1987–88, 1988–89, 1989–90, 1990–91, 1991–92
• Domestic Team of the Decade – Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 / 2001–02)
• Nottingham Forest Player of the Year: 1988–89, 1990–91

Kevin Beattie- One of the the most complete footballer ever, he had everything that a player could hope to have in pace,strength,tackling ability,great in the air,powerful shot. Injuries cut his international career short otherwise would have enjoyed a much greater reputation.


Made his England debut at 19.
Kenny Burns- Winning player of the year based on his defensive performances for Forest and a crucial part of the side which dominated Europe in the late 1980s.

• Nottingham Forest Player of the Year: 1977–78, 1980–81
• FWA Footballer of the Year: 1977–78

Steve Nicol- One of the most versatile and ambidextrous players ever. Nicol was a great defender, but also a superb attacking player. He was quite adept at taking on defenders and an accurate crosser of the ball.

• Won the player of the year award in 1988/89.

Graeme Souness- Legendary box to box midfielder and a key component of the liverpool side that dominated europe.

• European Cup Golden Boot: 1980–81 (6 goals)
• PFA First Division Team of the Year: 1980–81, 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84
• PFA Team of the Century (1977–96): 2007

Ray Wilkins- The king of cockney, captained chelsea at the young age of 19. A superbly talented central midfielder with excellent vision, ball retention and passing skills.

• Chelsea Player of the Year: 1976, 1977
• English Football Hall of Fame: 2013

George Armstrong- Made his arsenal debut at the age of 17 and proceeded to play 621 times for them.An orthodox winger whose work-rate was so prodigious that he was both an auxiliary defender, tirelessly tracking back and regaining possession, and one of the most prolific providers of 'assists' in the game. Assists were not formally recorded in his era, but it has been calculated that he played a part in more than half of Arsenal's goals during their 1970-71 'Double' triumph. Noted for his superb crossing ability.

• Arsenal Player of the Year: 1970

Colin Bell- Nicknamed Nijinsky(racing horse) for his superb stamina. One of englands greatest all round midfielders, Bell had it all. Superb vision, first touch and the art of controlling the game.
Paul Gascoigne- Gazza is widely regarded as one of the most gifted British footballers ever. At his best he was a compelling to watch with his sublime skill, improvisation and ability to hold of defenders with ease. He may well be 'as daft as a brush' but was also a great combination of attacking flair and a tenacious never say die attitude.

• PFA Young Player of the Year: 1987–88
• PFA First Division Team of the Year: 1987–88, 1990–91
• BBC Sports Personality of the Year: 1990
• FIFA World Cup All-Star Team: 1990
• Ballon d'Or: 1990 (4th)

Malcolm Macdonald- One of the best pure goalscorers the english game has seen,known for his superb pace, aggression, work-rate. Liked to drop into midfield to pick up the ball as well.

Incredibly, Supermac ran even faster, clocking up an incredible 10.9 seconds, a Superstars record – and quick enough to be an Olympic qualifying time that year.

Malcolm remembers: “After I won the 100m sprint, TV presenter Ron Pickering came up and said ‘ Malcolm , you’re the second fastest man in Europe this year’.”

• Football League First Division Golden Boot: 1975, 1977
• PFA Team of the Year: 1974

Why I will win?

• Gazza at his peak was an unstoppable monster and EAP has no one in his midfield who can defend him.
• Midfield, my midfield due of souness +wilkins are superior to his and will allow me to take control of midfield with Bell floating and Gazza spreading havoc.
• More natural width in the form of Armstrong and Bell.
• Malcolm's pace which will naturally force him to sit deeper in his own half.

Tactics Team EAP

Formation:

Slightly lopsided 4-4-2 Diamond'ish

Player Roles:

Neville Southall - Balanced/Normal

Kenny Sansom - Best LB of this match and probably the draft overall.
Mark Lawrenson - Left CB. Stopper. Liverpool's starting CB during their glory years.
Paul McGrath - Right CB. Ball player. Legend. Most talented CB of this match and overall draft.
Phil Neal - Best RB of this match and second best RB of overall draft.

Peter Reid - Best pure 'pivot' DM in this draft to primarily break up attacks. Excellent positioning and good passing range will help ball retention and circulation greatly.
Arnold Muhren - Primary midfield Playmaker. May drift along left flank.
Tony Currie - Secondary midfield Playmaker. Will be more attacking and move up to support the forwards.

Matt LeTissier - AM / Withdrawn forward. Quick, fleet footed genius just outside of the box with thunderous shots.
Alan Smith - Left sided forward.
Andy Gray - Right sided forward.

Click here to know a bit more on the profiles of the players

Tactics:

Defence:

• A super solid defence with the brilliance of McGrath and solidity of Lawrenson will be adequate against any attack.
• Phil Neal and Kenny Sansom make the best fullback pairing of this draft. Both are balanced players and adventurous enough to provide width without compromising defence.

Midfield:

• A 3 man midfield designed to hold possession will ensure my team see most of the ball.
• Peter Reid to shield the defence, recover and circulate of the ball.
• Muhren and Currie make excellent playmakers in middle ensure creativity and continuous supply of passes to my forwards.Muhren will operate a bit deeper orchestrating attacks from the midfield. Currie will move up as possible and more directly support the forwards in attack.

Attack:

• Matt LeTissier provides lot of pace, trickery and creativity to the attack. In a free role with less defensive duties, he'll have full liberty to run this game. His shots from outside the box will add a whole new dynamic to my attack.
• Smith and Gray have 3 Golden Boots among them. Lethal forwards good in the ground and in air, they will have ample supply of balls from my midfield. Will definitely score and more than once!

 

[Indnyc]

Good luck @Edgar Allan Pillow @MJJ

 

[Thunderhead]

ohhhh this was a tight one to call, think the midfield of Wilkins and Souness edged it for me, though that's a lovely defense for EAP, this one could go either way.

 

[idmanager]

Aye, pick one between the class midfield or defense.
The scan voter in me went for the defense. Might change further in the match since I know jack shit about some players on the pitch.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Good luck @MJJ

ohhhh this was a tight one to call, think the midfield of Wilkins and Souness edged it for me, though that's a lovely defense for EAP, this one could go either way.

Couple of points for you to consider
- There is a big reliance on Supermac to score and he's against top class CB duo. Paul McGrath has kept the likes of Ian Rush quiet and will be up to scratch against Supermac.
- Gazza is facing off against Peter Reid, one of the best DMs in this draft.
- My fullbacks are better than his wingers. Probably the best fullback pairing in this draft.

I have strong counters to his strengths.

On the other hand, I rate my striker duo as better than his CBs.
Add in the outside the box threat from LeGod. He was Young Player of the Year and one of the top scorers of the season.


When it comes to scoring, I definitely will score more than him.

 

[Thunderhead]

Good luck @MJJ



Couple of points for you to consider
- There is a big reliance on Supermac to score and he's against top class CB duo. Paul McGrath has kept the likes of Ian Rush quiet and will be up to scratch against Supermac.
- Gazza is facing off against Peter Reid, one of the best DMs in this draft.
- My fullbacks are better than his wingers. Probably the best fullback pairing in this draft.

I have strong counters to his strengths.

On the other hand, I rate my striker duo as better than his CBs.
Add in the outside the box threat from LeGod. He was Young Player of the Year and one of the top scorers of the season.


When it comes to scoring, I definitely will score more than him.

It's very tight, I just think that with Wilkins and Souness as a basis will prevent the balls into the forwards and Le Tissier will get very little time on the ball and that Bell, Gascoigne and Armstrong will have the legs, nous and skill to inflict real damage even against a great defence. I think Southall is definitely one of the best 5 keepers of my lifetime but it's the lineup of MPP I liked more.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

It's very tight, I just think that with Wilkins and Souness as a basis will prevent the balls into the forwards and Le Tissier will get very little time on the ball and that Bell, Gascoigne and Armstrong will have the legs, nous and skill to inflict real damage even against a great defence. I think Southall is definitely one of the best 5 keepers of my lifetime but it's the lineup of MPP I liked more.

Fair enough. MJJ relies on Gazza far more than I have to Le God.

Muhren ran the game for Ipswich during their glory years. He was Bobby Robson's favourite signing. A fantastic passer from the middle who has won loads with Netherlands (though outside scope of this draft). Below is also a brief profile on Tony Currie. Both of them are flamboyant and creative midfielder who I rate better than Wilkins and are capable of delivering consistently to my forwards.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/pre...-allan-pillow-vs-indnyc.437894/#post-22404405

 

[Indnyc]

It's very tight, I just think that with Wilkins and Souness as a basis will prevent the balls into the forwards and Le Tissier will get very little time on the ball and that Bell, Gascoigne and Armstrong will have the legs, nous and skill to inflict real damage even against a great defence. I think Southall is definitely one of the best 5 keepers of my lifetime but it's the lineup of MPP I liked more.

It is very tricky as the midfield from MJJ is top notch given the context of the draft.. I do see EAP's defense hard to get through though.. One of the best defenses left in the draft

The fullbacks of EAP will trouble the midfield/defense of MJJ more than the other way around.

Will wait for some more discussion before voting

 

[Gio]

It is very tricky as the midfield from MJJ is top notch given the context of the draft.. I do see EAP's defense hard to get through though.. One of the best defenses left in the draft

The fullbacks of EAP will trouble the midfield/defense of MJJ more than the other way around.

Will wait for some more discussion before voting

Agree with the rest of the comments. Facing the diamond though, both Nicol and Pearce could have some freedom to impose themselves into the game here. Especially if Wilkins and Souness get some foothold of possession and both were adept at the early switches of play to exploit space for the full-back. To be fair to EAP though, both Currie and Muhren look quite well suited to defending in wide areas.

 

[Thunderhead]

I only look on these threads from time to time but this was certainly the hardest one I've ever had to vote on.

 

[Indnyc]

Agree with the rest of the comments. Facing the diamond though, both Nicol and Pearce could have some freedom to impose themselves into the game here. Especially if Wilkins and Souness get some foothold of possession and both were adept at the early switches of play to exploit space for the full-back. To be fair to EAP though, both Currie and Muhren look quite well suited to defending in wide areas.

Agree with all of this. It comes down to how much feel Wilkins and Souness will control the midfield. I do think that Muhren and Currie will provide a good balance and with Le Tissier to pull the strings i find it an even battle in midfield

 

[MJJ]

Aye, pick one between the class midfield or defense.
The scan voter in me went for the defense. Might change further in the match since I know jack shit about some players on the pitch.

Beattie was a very talented centre defender and burns was voted as a player of the year due to his defensive performances. Eap has the shinier names but my cbs have performed at a high level too.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Agree with the rest of the comments. Facing the diamond though, both Nicol and Pearce could have some freedom to impose themselves into the game here. Especially if Wilkins and Souness get some foothold of possession and both were adept at the early switches of play to exploit space for the full-back. To be fair to EAP though, both Currie and Muhren look quite well suited to defending in wide areas.

Yes. Both Muhren and Currie are comfortable in wide areas and will drift to exploit spaces. Muhren especially in a deeper role will have complete freedom to dictate the game. Souness/Wilkins is a cracking duo, but then between Currie and Le God, I still have a even stake in the game.

I'd call the midfield even with me sporting a considerably better defence and a more focused and more powerful attack.Gray's headers from Sansom's crosses, Muhren & Currie feeding Le Tiss and Forwards etc, my array of threats is varied and difficult to contain.

 

[MJJ]

Good luck @MJJ



Couple of points for you to consider
- There is a big reliance on Supermac to score and he's against top class CB duo. Paul McGrath has kept the likes of Ian Rush quiet and will be up to scratch against Supermac.
- Gazza is facing off against Peter Reid, one of the best DMs in this draft.
- My fullbacks are better than his wingers. Probably the best fullback pairing in this draft.

I have strong counters to his strengths.

On the other hand, I rate my striker duo as better than his CBs.
Add in the outside the box threat from LeGod. He was Young Player of the Year and one of the top scorers of the season.


When it comes to scoring, I definitely will score more than him.

Ried doesn't have the physical attributes to compete against gazza imo and if he is busy with gazza, your midfield can struggle against mine as le tissier did not have the best work rate.

 

[Gio]

Beattie was a very talented centre defender and burns was voted as a player of the year due to his defensive performances. Eap has the shinier names but my cbs have performed at a high level too.

While still agreeing with the consensus that EAP edges defence, and obviously McGrath is the top man, but your two centre-halves are very solid in this pool (and edge Lawro IMO).

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Eap has the shinier names but my cbs have performed at a high level too.

Shinier names?

Sansom had 11 appearances in Team of the Year in draft period more than any other player. Mark Lawrenson has 5 appearances during draft time. McGrath and Neal need no introductions. Not downplaying your players, but still either man to man or as a unit, my back line is definitely superior to yours.

Ried doesn't have the physical attributes to compete against gazza imo and if he is busy with gazza, your midfield can struggle against mine as le tissier did not have the best work rate.

His pace was slightly lower than Gazza, but he was known more for intelligence and positioning than just speed and tackles. Has an acute footballing brain and if there ever was a DM capable of covering Gazza in this draft, it is Reid. Gazza is star and ofc will have his chances, but then Peter will be up to scratch for much of the game.

 

[Pat_Mustard]

Voted Edgar, mostly so I can change my mind later and vote against him instead.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

(and edge Lawro IMO).

I'd rate the CB's as McGrath > Burns > Lawro > Beattie.

 

[Gio]

I'd rate the CB's as McGrath > Burns > Lawro > Beattie.

Beattie's the wild card. Could have been the best of the lot, but basically done by his mid-20s. Speaks volumes that he's regarded as Ipswich's greatest ever player when the legendary Terry Butcher played 300 times for the same club.

 

[Frank Grimes]

I'm worried about EAP's midfield. Are Currie and Muhren not a bit samey, ie. cultured ball players.
Will they be able to give Reid a hand defensively when needed?

Having said that, that is a very impressive defense EAP has drafted. Tough this.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Just a quick two profiles on George Armstrong and Alan Smith from Arsenal.com to save you all from going there

Alan Smith

He ended his first season with a goal in the Littlewoods Cup Final defeat to Luton and hit the ground running in 1988/89.

In the opening fixture of that season the West Midlands native plundered a hat-trick against Wimbledon, setting the tone for a hugely profitable season. His attributes, though, ran far deeper than just his finishing.

Standing at over six feet tall, Smith combined his intelligence with an unfailing work ethic to become one of the top-flight's supreme target men. His ball retention was second-to-none and, despite a clear 'English centre-forward style', he also had a penchant for cute, subtle touches. If a team-mate made the right run, he could be sure Smith would find him with a flick-on or well-timed pass.

As Arsenal charged towards the title, Smith continued his own assault on the Golden Boot. On the final day of the season both accolades were secured as all aspects of Smith's improvement came to the fore at Anfield. The front-man glanced home the game's opening goal, his 23rd of the season, from a Nigel Winterburn free-kick, and turned provider for Michael Thomas' historic strike in the dying seconds. Cue pandemonium.



George Armstrong

His arrival in north London, straight from school in his native County Durham, was at a time when the traditional winger was expected to disappear. But Armstrong excelled on both flanks as an industrious team-player and salient goal-creator. Scoring only 68 times for the Gunners, he was an inspired exponent of precision crossing - it was estimated that the wide-man had a hand in more than half of the goals scored in the Double season of 1971.

At the peak of his powers the theory was simple: if you don't stop Armstrong, you don't stop Arsenal.. His tireless energy was one thing, but his scalpel-sharp precision from the byline made Armstrong the player he was. Messrs Radford and Kennedy had much to be thankful for.

But international recognition eluded the Arsenal star. England boss Alf Ramsey was not an advocate of wingers and Armstrong remained one of the most accomplished players never to have won a full cap.

His slight frame, just five-feet-six-inches tall and just over 11 stone, was countered by outstanding courage and grit, an attribute that helped him remain one of the Club's most consistent performers during their mid-70s slump.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

I'm worried about EAP's midfield. Are Currie and Muhren not a bit samey, ie. cultured ball players.
Will they be able to give Reid a hand defensively when needed?

Having said that, that is a very impressive defense EAP has drafted. Tough this.

A diamond will go a long way to force numbers in middle in my favour. Muhren has played as a winger too and has the workrate. Even in Ipswich, in a similar role he was a deep passer and helped in defence with Wark being the one who went forward. He does not need anyone to cover for him. Anyway with Le God ahead, they don't need to exert themselves too much and get caught out of positions. The 4-3-1-2 bring the best out of these.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Standing at over six feet tall, Smith combined his intelligence with an unfailing work ethic to become one of the top-flight's supreme target men. His ball retention was second-to-none and, despite a clear 'English centre-forward style', he also had a penchant for cute, subtle touches. If a team-mate made the right run, he could be sure Smith would find him with a flick-on or well-timed pass.

Thanks. I think this is quite crucial and should not be overlooked. With numbers in middle, we will have more possession and we have the players who can make the most out of them. MJJ's midfield is quite something, but we can hold out own and come out on top here.

 

[MJJ]

Shinier names?

Sansom had 11 appearances in Team of the Year in draft period more than any other player. Mark Lawrenson has 5 appearances during draft time. McGrath and Neal need no introductions. Not downplaying your players, but still either man to man or as a unit, my back line is definitely superior to yours.

Your fullbacks yes, but Cb wise I feel both of mine are better than lawrenson. This was hansen on Nicol who was bought as a replacement for Neal.

"One of my Liverpool colleagues who epitomized the best elements of English football was right-back Steve Nicol, who was with the club from 1981 to 1994. When I was switched from the left side to the right of Liverpool back four towards the end of my career, when my knee problems had taken their toll on my running, it made me feel I could light a cigar and read a newspaper to have Steve on the outside. His fitness was astonishing. Dietitians would be horrified at the amount he ate. He could eat for Britain. He and I and our families once were on a Norwegian cruise together and he probably consumed more than the rest of us put together. It was not unusual for him to go through six or eight packs of crisps in one go. But he never carried any excess weight, hardly missed a tackle and gave the impression of being able to bomb up and down that right touchline of ever. Suffice it to say that after our first match together on the right, I thought, 'Where have you been all my life?'" - Alan Hansen.

His pace was slightly lower than Gazza, but he was known more for intelligence and positioning than just speed and tackles. Has an acute footballing brain and if there ever was a DM capable of covering Gazza in this draft, it is Reid. Gazza is star and ofc will have his chances, but then Peter will be up to scratch for much of the game.

Pace,intelligence. Gazza will dribble through him and he just does not have the physical attributes to catch up.

 

[MJJ]

Yes. Both Muhren and Currie are comfortable in wide areas and will drift to exploit spaces. Muhren especially in a deeper role will have complete freedom to dictate the game. Souness/Wilkins is a cracking duo, but then between Currie and Le God, I still have a even stake in the game.

I'd call the midfield even with me sporting a considerably better defence and a more focused and more powerful attack.Gray's headers from Sansom's crosses, Muhren & Currie feeding Le Tiss and Forwards etc, my array of threats is varied and difficult to contain.

If they are drifting, you will be even more outmatched in midfield? I have bell coming in whereas you want your two (inferior) midfielders to drift out at times. I also have far more work-rate in midfield with a super poacher.

 

[MJJ]

@Edgar Allan Pillow how do you plan on stopping the armstrong/pearce flank since I have the man advantage there and more often than not, lawrenson will be dealing with the crosses.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Pace,intelligence. Gazza will dribble through him and he just does not have the physical attributes to catch up.

Pace is not a be all and end all in DMs. There have been ample top level DMs who are not lighning quick. Positioning and intelligence matters and Reid has those. Ofc, Gazza will have his moments...but not to an extent of running away with the game.

lawrenson will be dealing with the crosses.

And? He'll deal with it. With McGrath there holding off Supermac, you really lack consistent threat upfront. And my fullbacks are more than enough to counter your wingers.

With my 2 strikers vs your 2 CBs, I have far better chance of scoring.

If they are drifting, you will be even more outmatched in midfield? I have bell coming in whereas you want your two (inferior) midfielders to drift out at times. I also have far more work-rate in midfield with a super poacher.

Inferior? Muhren has probably won more in his career than your whole team put together. Between him and Currie, you will be starved off possession. Gazza can't do much if he doesn't see the ball much.

 

[Fergus' son]

Pace is not a be all and end all in DMs. There have been ample top level DMs who are not lighning quick. Positioning and intelligence matters and Reid has those. Ofc, Gazza will have his moments...but not to an extent of running away with the game.



And? He'll deal with it. With McGrath there holding off Supermac, you really lack consistent threat upfront. And my fullbacks are more than enough to counter your wingers.

With my 2 strikers vs your 2 CBs, I have far better chance of scoring.



Inferior? Muhren has probably won more in his career than your whole team put together. Between him and Currie, you will be starved off possession. Gazza can't do much if he doesn't see the ball much.

I doubt that.

 

[MJJ]

Pace is not a be all and end all in DMs. There have been ample top level DMs who are not lighning quick. Positioning and intelligence matters and Reid has those. Ofc, Gazza will have his moments...but not to an extent of running away with the game.



And? He'll deal with it. With McGrath there holding off Supermac, you really lack consistent threat upfront. And my fullbacks are more than enough to counter your wingers.

With my 2 strikers vs your 2 CBs, I have far better chance of scoring.



Inferior? Muhren has probably won more in his career than your whole team put together. Between him and Currie, you will be starved off possession. Gazza can't do much if he doesn't see the ball much.

Yes but how many of them were asked to man-mark somebody like gazza? Who was very quick, strong and a superb dribbler? If he dribbles past reid, reid isnt catching up.

Neal was good but he cant deal with two players at the same time without any help? Armstrong and Pearce are going to have a lot of joy if you plan on leaving him alone on that flank. Your strikers need service to score which they will be starved off.

Are you seriously arguing that your midfield can retain more ball possession?

 

[MJJ]

@Edgar Allan Pillow

Muhren
Ipswich Town

• UEFA Cup (1): 1980–81

Manchester United

• FA Cup (1): 1982–83
• FA Charity Shield (1): 1983

Souness
Liverpool

• First Division: 1978–79, 1979–80, 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84
• League Cup: 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84
• FA Charity Shield: 1979, 1980, 1982
• European Cup: 1977–78, 1980–81, 1983–84

Rangers

• Scottish Premier Division: 1986–87
• Scottish League Cup: 1986–87

You were saying?

 

[MJJ]

If you are really letting my team create a 2 vs 1 overlap on the wings, my team is going to create more chances compared to yours and the match outcome will only end in one way.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

I doubt that.

He's been a winner wherever he plays and always makes an impact. Though all are within draft time period, they fall outside geographically. So I haven't touched upon them till date. But he certainly by no stretch of the term is not a "inferior" midfielder.

Spoiler

Ajax

• Eredivisie (2): 1971–72, 1972–73
• Dutch Cup (3): 1971–72, 1985–86,[5] 1986–87[6]
• European Cup (1): 1972–73[7]
• UEFA Super Cup (1): 1973
• UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1986–87
• Intercontinental Cup (1): 1972

Twente

• Dutch Cup (1): 1976–77

Ipswich Town

• UEFA Cup (1): 1980–81

Manchester United

• FA Cup (1): 1982–83
• FA Charity Shield (1): 1983

 

[MJJ]

He's been a winner wherever he plays and always makes an impact. Though all are within draft time period, they fall outside geographically. So I haven't touched upon them till date. But he certainly by no stretch of the term is not a "inferior" midfielder.

Spoiler

Ajax

• Eredivisie (2): 1971–72, 1972–73
• Dutch Cup (3): 1971–72, 1985–86,[5] 1986–87[6]
• European Cup (1): 1972–73[7]
• UEFA Super Cup (1): 1973
• UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1986–87
• Intercontinental Cup (1): 1972

Twente

• Dutch Cup (1): 1976–77

Ipswich Town

• UEFA Cup (1): 1980–81

Manchester United

• FA Cup (1): 1982–83
• FA Charity Shield (1): 1983

Even if you count his achievements outside of the draft, which we really shouldnt, souness had a better career and won more.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Yes but how many of them were asked to man-mark somebody like gazza? Who was very quick, strong and a superb dribbler? If he dribbles past reid, reid isnt catching up.

Neal was good but he cant deal with two players at the same time without any help? Armstrong and Pearce are going to have a lot of joy if you plan on leaving him alone on that flank. Your strikers need service to score which they will be starved off.

Are you seriously arguing that your midfield can retain more ball possession?

It really is impossible to argue you are going to have advantage is both wings and in midfield at same time. Yes, I have more numbers in middle and sport players who are comfortable in circulating and retaining possession, so yeah. I have midfield advantage.

And I never said, Reid is man marking Gazza. He will just shield the defence and cut passing routes. Gazza will have to drop back to bridge that midfield gap.

Anyway McGrath is more capable of handling Supermac than your two CBs vs my 2 strikers.

 

[Fergus' son]

He's been a winner wherever he plays and always makes an impact. Though all are within draft time period, they fall outside geographically. So I haven't touched upon them till date. But he certainly by no stretch of the term is not a "inferior" midfielder.

Spoiler

Ajax

• Eredivisie (2): 1971–72, 1972–73
• Dutch Cup (3): 1971–72, 1985–86,[5] 1986–87[6]
• European Cup (1): 1972–73[7]
• UEFA Super Cup (1): 1973
• UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1986–87
• Intercontinental Cup (1): 1972

Twente

• Dutch Cup (1): 1976–77

Ipswich Town

• UEFA Cup (1): 1980–81

Manchester United

• FA Cup (1): 1982–83
• FA Charity Shield (1): 1983

Souness has as many trophies as Muhren, so your suggestion wasn't even really close to being true....

 

[MJJ]

It really is impossible to argue you are going to have advantage is both wings and in midfield at same time. Yes, I have more numbers in middle and sport players who are comfortable in circulating and retaining possession, so yeah. I have midfield advantage.

And I never said, Reid is man marking Gazza. He will just shield the defence and cut passing routes. Gazza will have to drop back to bridge that midfield gap.

Anyway McGrath is more capable of handling Supermac than your two CBs vs my 2 strikers.

Not really, as you have a passenger in there in le tissier and the advantage on the flanks come from my fullbacks overlapping whereas in midfield I have stronger players.

He is yes but once gazza goes past reid, one of your cbs will have to step up which again leaves mac alone vs the other or when my wingers+fullbacks outnumber your fullback and run at your defense.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Souness has as many trophies as Muhren, so your suggestion wasn't even really close to being true....

Calling him "inferior" isn't really close to being true either.

 

[Fergus' son]

Calling him "inferior" isn't really close to being true either.

It's debatable atleast, with it being subjective - on the other hand your comment is just wrong.

Muhren was a great player.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Not really, as you have a passenger in there in le tissier

Of all the nonsensical comments, this is by far the worst.

1973-74 Supermac when he won the player of the year scored 28 goals from 44 games.
1989-90 LeTiss when he won the Young Player of the Year award score 24 goals from 44 games.

My "Passenger" AM has as much goal threat as your main CF. I have 2 further CFs to spare.

With 3 men behind him, he'll flourish here.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

It's debatable atleast, with it being subjective - on the other hand your comment is just wrong.

Muhren was a great player.

Fine. It was one OTT response to another OTT comment.