Jose Mourinho admits he is powerless to stop Marouane Fellaini leaving Manchester United

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The problem with that point of view is that overpaying Fellaini alone does not exist in a vacuum; it inevitably results in one of all of the following:
  • Increased ticket prices
  • Reduced investment in training facilities
  • Reduced investment in stadia
  • Reduced wage budget for playing staff
  • Reduced total transfer capex
Personally every single one of those should take priority over overpaying a backup midfielder and the ramifications that has.

Therefore if you care about ticket prices, United's facilities, transfer budgets, wage budgets etc; then you de facto care about how the club is run and ergo care about overpaying Fellaini.
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:lol: Fellainis wages have absolutely zero corellation with ticket prices? Did we raise our ticket prices from January onwards because we signed Sanchez and are paying him ridiculous money?

Players wages will come out of a completely different budget than all of the above, you surely cannot be serious.

I've heard it all now, blaming Fellaini for reduced investment in our training facilities and stadium. I don't even rate him but this is just ridiculous.
How dare you suggest we actually have a team of economists that budget for this thing! Don't you realise the whole club is finely balanced on Fellani's wages and we don't actually have different budgets for different departments? We could be looking at administration if we don't meet our yearly Bovril sale targets. You won't be laughing when tickets prices go up to £1000 per game to offset next seasons warm winter training camp.
 

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We were so close to being rid of this footballing atrocity and getting in two quality new CM's, now we are going to have two more years of giving up playing footbal with 30 minutes to go and throwing on a big lump to play Stokeball to.
 

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The same reason your wife would probably care if you signed a 36 month rental agreement on an apartment for £1,000 per month. Because it reduces your disposal income by £1,000 per month without giving you any discernible benefit.

The £80k disparity between his value and his role every week that we throw at Fellaini for 3 years is £12m that we can't spend elsewhere. Not only that it's £80k that every other squad player will be using as a benchmark when they are renewing their contracts. When Jones is in negotiations for a new 3 year deal his agent will look at Fellaini's possible 130k per week, look at the fact that Jones is a more important squad member and the starting point will be £130k. The same situation will occur with Herrera, Smalling, Bailly, Rojo, Romero etc.

Before you know it that £4m per year is multiplied by 7-8 squad players and is £30m per year on our wage bill.
That boat has already sailed with Lingard getting 150 K a week and of course it is small change compared to the money we are paying Sanchez a week.

Every player in the squad is already looking at Sanchez's pay and thinking that they are grossly underpaid. That's what happens when you smash your salary structure for one player.
 

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We were so close to being rid of this footballing atrocity and getting in two quality new CM's, now we are going to have two more years of giving up playing footbal with 30 minutes to go and throwing on a big lump to play Stokeball to.
To be fair on most occasions we aren't playing much football even before he comes on. Its usually because our tactics to contain haven't worked.
 

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I'm 25, but what does my age have to do with it?

If you're content with mediocrity then by all means back the decision to give him a new contract. He played well for Everton which was his level as a player. He would not get in the squads of any of the top teams in Europe, yet he is in ours.

After viewing years of majoritively abject performances I want him out of the club. He plays in important games and we have a manager who is determined to prove the vast majority of United fans wrong about him. I am by no means alone in my views on him, and I think most would agree we should be doing much much better.

Hopefully you're an older fan who remembers when United were poor and therefore are content with mediocrity, or else I fail to see a reason why you think we should retain him and have to endure another 1-2 years.
I have no problem with that you don’t like him, he’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but to label him “anti United” and a “fraud” is from my perspective a sign of lack of maturity. I like that you have a strong opinion about our players and that you want us to be successful, we are on the same page, but sometimes in life patience is a good thing to have.

All reports and the majority of the posters on Redcafe agrees that we need at least one, probably two new fullbacks. We also need to bring in one quality midfielder, someone who can challange Herrera and hopefully can compliment Matic. That’s a lot of money. Right winger? Maybe keeping Fellaini a year or two as a cover and plan B gives us flexibility if we going for the expensive options.

Fellaini is a very good pick when we need aerial presence in the boxes. He can score goals but he can also defend when the opposition go all in late in the games. Don’t underestimate his contributions.

We all want United back at the top but I fully expect it will take at least two more summer transfer windows before we are there.
 

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Stop fighting it Jose. Just let him go. You know it's the right thing to do. Seriously all he is is a bench option. He should never start games, so should be paid accordingly.
 

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I love that clip. :lol:

I'll be frustrated as feck if he signs a new contract. Our plan b should never be "lump it forward to the tall guy".
He's not our plan B, he's our plan C or plan D at best.
 

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Bravo, how long have you been saving that ?

There's so much football snobbery on these boards at times it's laughable, do you not appreciate how much skill it takes to run(at pace I might add)diagonally from the right-hard corner of your own penalty area to play the ball out inch perfectly over the half-way line, deary me :nono:
:lol:To be honest, I just needed an excuse to post that, and your comment was very inviting. That gif always gets me.
 

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:lol: Fellainis wages have absolutely zero corellation with ticket prices? Did we raise our ticket prices from January onwards because we signed Sanchez and are paying him ridiculous money?

Players wages will come out of a completely different budget than all of the above, you surely cannot be serious.

I've heard it all now, blaming Fellaini for reduced investment in our training facilities and stadium. I don't even rate him but this is just ridiculous.
The club has a finite amount of money that it can spend and money squandered will result in either higher prices or lower investment in salaries, transfer fee's or infrastructure. Just like if you squandering £100 on a fruit machine it means that you'll have to either work more hours, buy less things or save less money.

If you accept this as common sense and also accept that as a United fan you want to see the club utilise its resources in the best way possible for the present and future of the club... Then you'll also accept that overpaying a player £4m per season is ludicrous.

Unless you believe that this £4m per annum grows from Fellaini's Afro and therefore is income generated as a direct result of him...?

/Edit - Hell even if it had literally zero effect on Man Utd I'd prefer the club ran itself in a responsible way and gave the £4m to the MU Foundation. At least that would have a discernible benefit to the community.
 

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i really really hope we replace him. He's not deserved all the abuse he's got over the years, but he's only been good in patches, and was never going to set the world alight for us. Take the China money you mop headed elbow machine.
 

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Desperate for Fellaini to stay, happy for Martial to go.

Mourinho.
 

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Why is he fighting to keep this lump?

We don’t want him, the club doesn’t want him, just stop already.
 

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Who does this guy think he is. Mourinho being Mourinho gassing him up has gone right to his head. Why are we begging him ffs
 

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It won't work out to be cheaper long term as any agent worth his salt will be pointing towards Fellaini's salary as a basis for a squad player that barely features.
We gave Lingard 100k per week.

I'm not sure i follow this line of thinking. Why would Fellaini going equal no new right winger?

First off Mourinho has said repeatedly he doesn't want new attackers this summer, he has said he needs midfielders and presumably full backs given the age of Valencia/Young and Darmian being useless.

So 2 fullbacks and 2 midfielders shouldn't be any problem for a club with United's resources whether Fellaini stays or goes. If we go to sign a right winger it will most likely be because Martial is leaving, in which case the fee we receive for Martial will most likely cover most or all of the cost of a new winger.

We have Herrera, Matic, Pogba, McTominay and Fellaini currently. Pereira and Mensah coming back from loan. I'm not 100% sure we will even go for 2 midfielders whatever happens with Fellaini.
not with this current condition where £30ish millions is the bare minimum for a decent footballer.
 

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We gave Lingard 100k per week.
Lingard is a first team regular, Fellaini is a backup player.

Comparing what we pay Lingard to what Fellaini is demanding is like comparing Herrera and Pogba.
 

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I couldn't care less about our financial accounts. We're short in midfield as is so id rather retain him and have him sat in the stands for now. I think we'll only bring in one CM and rely on Periera/McTominay, if our main purchase flops hard then we'd be exposed to poor form.

Plus if Lukaku gets injured we're so pathetically short that we'll need his height at times.
That would leave our current 3 in midfield, the two youngsters, new signing and fellaini. That's too many bodies and youngsters would just want out again. Let him go and trust the younger players to cover if a new signing doesn't work out.
 

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I'm not sure i follow this line of thinking. Why would Fellaini going equal no new right winger?

First off Mourinho has said repeatedly he doesn't want new attackers this summer, he has said he needs midfielders and presumably full backs given the age of Valencia/Young and Darmian being useless.

So 2 fullbacks and 2 midfielders shouldn't be any problem for a club with United's resources whether Fellaini stays or goes. If we go to sign a right winger it will most likely be because Martial is leaving, in which case the fee we receive for Martial will most likely cover most or all of the cost of a new winger.

We have Herrera, Matic, Pogba, McTominay and Fellaini currently. Pereira and Mensah coming back from loan. I'm not 100% sure we will even go for 2 midfielders whatever happens with Fellaini.

IMHO we have a set budget. If Fellaini goes then we need to replace him, if he stays then we have enough bodies and quality in the midfield to look at other areas that need strengthening.

I'm also surprised why United don't want to sign at least 3 year contract with him. Get him to pen the deal this year and sell him next summer*



* Fifa career mode trick ;)
 

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That would leave our current 3 in midfield, the two youngsters, new signing and fellaini. That's too many bodies and youngsters would just want out again. Let him go and trust the younger players to cover if a new signing doesn't work out.
7 for 3 doesn't sound too bad to me at all, in the past we usually had around 5 for 2 positions.

I just dont see the benefit for Jose taking any risks. The media and our own fans would jump on him at our slightest down turn in form as it is.
 

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Who does this guy think he is. Mourinho being Mourinho gassing him up has gone right to his head. Why are we begging him ffs
Sad times for Manchester United FC. Must be full of himself to be discussing his negotiating leverage in ongoing discussions. Can't believe Jose is going to let Fellaini bend us over a barrel. Even Ronaldo wouldn't say such
 

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That would leave our current 3 in midfield, the two youngsters, new signing and fellaini. That's too many bodies and youngsters would just want out again. Let him go and trust the younger players to cover if a new signing doesn't work out.
I don't get the logic that we should sign a world class player to replace Fellaini. If we're replacing Fellaini/Carrick then we would be looking for rotation level players. No hot prospect is signing with us if our intention is to play him every other week
 

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Fellaini is over here properly mugging the club off publicly for a new deal while Mourinho grovels at his feet to keep him...

Yet the same man is marshalling a talent like Martial out the exit door,what's happening to my club??
 

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Wow - if that quote is true, I don't care anymore and he can leave. Even if he is ready to play for free i don't want him
 

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Who does this guy think he is. Mourinho being Mourinho gassing him up has gone right to his head. Why are we begging him ffs
Don't like that negotiations should be a private matter. Saying that he's not wrong, the club did feck up and they'll have to pay for it if they want to keep him
 

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Who does this guy think he is. Mourinho being Mourinho gassing him up has gone right to his head. Why are we begging him ffs
Those are not good comments at all but there does seem to have been a theme in recent years of leaving it very late to renew/extend contracts. Would hate to think about better players than Fellaini having similar thoughts.