Liverpool, yes. City, not for me. I have never cared for Pep's style of football going back to Barca. 1000 passes in a game? No thanks.
Pep on MNF special
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Scoring 100+ goals a season, no thanks.
Impressive stat. I still find his brand of football boring.
again this was on the programme last night, he hates the 1000+ passes with nothing happening, he wants short 3-5m passes and movement around it with 2 or 3 options to create chances, he mentioned the game on Sunday and against Huddersfield where we were just passing for passing's sake and wasn't impressed.
Yeah, it doesn't impress me, either.
nor me, we did it under Pelligrini as you did under LVG and it's fecking tiresome, but when it clicks I think it's great to watch but I can see why people don't like it
anyone has a link for the full show?
Auto-correct on the phone can make some funny posts.My grammar making you laugh.
I may not be a fan of Pep's style but I'll take it over LVG ball any day of the week.
Bet if you actually put proper manager on mnf they can mesmerize us with tactical talks.
Even gary and henry looks ok on tv.
Even gary and henry looks ok on tv.
If he's got a shaved chest it leaves very few options.
Not really sure us United fans are in a position to be turning our noses up at watching our team score 100+ goals in a season because we might be bored by Pep’s brand of football.
Either we care about being entertained or it’s results that are the priority and the brand of football doesn’t matter. Unfortunately, in neither scenario do we compare well with City this season but results have been Mourinho’s only real upside.
Either we care about being entertained or it’s results that are the priority and the brand of football doesn’t matter. Unfortunately, in neither scenario do we compare well with City this season but results have been Mourinho’s only real upside.
cheers @Thunderhead
Furthermore Pep's City side and Barca play very different type of the positional game. Been a while since I've seen a team use as much wing play as City have done this season.
Good post. Both have their strengths and weaknesses and both are amongst the best in the world.
Exactly. We have aging fullbackss but spent 28 million pounds on Lindelof. The board wouldn't sign off on Perisic. Although not sure he would have played as a fullback.
It's the "Pep ruined Bayern" myth.
I always liked Roberto Martinez on mnf. He gave actual tactical insight and it was great, as you say any proper manager if they really weren’t holding back could give so much analysis and insight it would be amazing
Erm do you think he refused to train/teach Zabaleta/Clichy/Kolarov the one year he spent with them as his first choice full backs?
A beacon of humanity, the object of prosperity, the Patron Saint of the Etihad itself. An abolsute legend of a man.
Lord Pep, we adore you.
Lord Pep, we adore you.
People are always quick to point out that we’ve spent tons on our back line but then very quick to defend Uniteds spending because “City already had good players in XYZ position”. Can’t we use the same logic? We’ve had to spend £40m+ on a GK but Mourinho inherited an £80m+ GK already, arguably the best in the world. Can’t have it all.
I'd assume you are talking about his chest hair 'cause he is a bit short on that upstairs.
I mean, it's undeniably impressive from a technical standpoint watching what his players do. He clearly obsesses over every little detail so much that it washes off on the players, everything is as planned and when it comes off it looks spectacular.
But the novelty would wear off after a while, even as a fan. For the first season perhaps you'd absolutely love winning at a canter but then it'd quickly turn into groundhog day.
Any team under Pep turns a game into a boring training match. It's not a competition when only one side plays. His fans will say that's not his fault and it's on the competitors to find a way to beat it which is fair enough but my word are any games he's involved in utter borefests.
A huge part of the joy of watching United under SAF was that we usually made it hard for ourselves resulting in many a heart palpitation but some amazing matches and wins. We took for granted the dull, boring easy ones because we had the amazing dramatic wins to make up for them. Imagine a season of never being challenged? feck that.
I wonder if City fans would rather win a game 5-0 with 91% possession or win it in the last minute like the Aguero title win?
But the novelty would wear off after a while, even as a fan. For the first season perhaps you'd absolutely love winning at a canter but then it'd quickly turn into groundhog day.
Any team under Pep turns a game into a boring training match. It's not a competition when only one side plays. His fans will say that's not his fault and it's on the competitors to find a way to beat it which is fair enough but my word are any games he's involved in utter borefests.
A huge part of the joy of watching United under SAF was that we usually made it hard for ourselves resulting in many a heart palpitation but some amazing matches and wins. We took for granted the dull, boring easy ones because we had the amazing dramatic wins to make up for them. Imagine a season of never being challenged? feck that.
I wonder if City fans would rather win a game 5-0 with 91% possession or win it in the last minute like the Aguero title win?
At the end of the day we all know Pep is a great manager. But combine that with the biggest transfer budget in world football of course the club he manages is going to be difficult to compete with.
It just feels like the fact they have spent so much money is just totally ignored by the media and pundits because they won the title so easily. First season he buys Stones and Bravo, that didn't work out. He can replace both players in just one season as well as the rest of the back line. No other club can do that in England.
United have money. We can't spend as much as City but we have bought very badly in the last 5 seasons in fairness. I include spending £90m on Pogba. When you see the likes of Pjanic go for 32m euros I don't understand why we spent three times that on one player when we needed to strengthen in many positions that season. Now the market is so inflated we will be lucky to get 4 top quality players for £200m, if we can even spend that much. Our transfer strategy needs to change if we are going to improve. Target younger, cheaper players who have top bracket potential. I don't understand why we keep buying players in their late 20's that not only cost a fortune but if they don't work out are very hard to move on.
It just feels like the fact they have spent so much money is just totally ignored by the media and pundits because they won the title so easily. First season he buys Stones and Bravo, that didn't work out. He can replace both players in just one season as well as the rest of the back line. No other club can do that in England.
United have money. We can't spend as much as City but we have bought very badly in the last 5 seasons in fairness. I include spending £90m on Pogba. When you see the likes of Pjanic go for 32m euros I don't understand why we spent three times that on one player when we needed to strengthen in many positions that season. Now the market is so inflated we will be lucky to get 4 top quality players for £200m, if we can even spend that much. Our transfer strategy needs to change if we are going to improve. Target younger, cheaper players who have top bracket potential. I don't understand why we keep buying players in their late 20's that not only cost a fortune but if they don't work out are very hard to move on.
100 points is stuff to dream about. Thought it would never happen and doubt it will again soon. Not only the style of football but to bring the best out of Sterling, Otamendi, Sane, Delph etc. Great job
what I would point out is: this time last year we were being told that Conte was a genius and the greatest thing that had ever happened to the world, no just football and the Premier League!
My bad. Reading here, you naturally just imagine someone like Samson.
Actually fed up of the brown nosing and arse licking from the media regarding Pep and City.
The way they won’t tolerate any bad words from the media for fear of a ban, is disgraceful. It’s like something from North Korea or Stalin.
I’m looking forward to them having a bad patch and what excuses will be made.
The way they won’t tolerate any bad words from the media for fear of a ban, is disgraceful. It’s like something from North Korea or Stalin.
I’m looking forward to them having a bad patch and what excuses will be made.
How long will he stay at City do you guys think?
They do to me. They were the best team in the CL this season imo and should have easily taken care of Madrid. Did you see Peps Bayern versus Madrid?
Not long hopefully.
Will depend on next season I guess. If the league's another stroll in the park for him, I can see him staying for a few more years.
The city job is pretty cushy, the owners don't get involved much, open chequebook, pressure isn't huge so he can continue with his work without many distractions.
2 more seasons
Can't wait to see what he does next season. They'll be even better to watch. Their football will put viewers in a frenzy and 90 minutes plus added time of uncontrollable exctasy. If you're fortunate to be at the stadium, you' ll have irrepressable urges. The whole of Etihad will turn into a mass orgy visible from miles. Then you'll be grateful that you weren't anywhere else because the empty seats will allow you to try every position in the book.
At least it shuts the mouth of people who think there was no huge one time investment, intended to produce immediate benefits
That’s so true, I’ve not even been purposefully avoiding it either. I’ve heard virtually nothing about them winning it.
Apart from city fans it’s already been forgot about by everyone else.
If anyone's interested in watching the show in HD, there is this subreddit called footballhighlights, I am not going to link to it, but you can google it yourselves.
Tbf teams stop playing after 70 pts. They resigned it's city's year. And no pressure to win beyond 70 pts when everyone's is 15 pts behind. If only we push them to the wire things might ended up different for them and for us, that 6pts swing against them really kills the race
Can't stand listening to him talk, or the fawning that surrounds him in England (and on these boards).
Overrated in my opinion.
Guardiola - 2 seasons - 1 PL, 1 League Cup.
Mourinho - 2 seasons with a worse squad - 1 Europa League, 1 League Cup, and possibly 1 FA Cup.
Overrated in my opinion.
Guardiola - 2 seasons - 1 PL, 1 League Cup.
Mourinho - 2 seasons with a worse squad - 1 Europa League, 1 League Cup, and possibly 1 FA Cup.
That is an interesting point. It is why I think that Klopp's football is much more in line with what we are used as United fans. It's more chaotic and imperfect that it inevitably leads to some proper roller coasters. I think using the term beautiful/entertaining to describe football is generally useless. Guardiola's football is admired and worshiped because from a coaching perspective, it is the most difficult to execute. The general theory of it is relatively straightforward but putting theory into practice is something only he has proven to be able to do. Obviously because of the individual quality required to do that not many coaches had the chance but still, plenty did coach highly talented teams over the past without being able to produce anything close to that level of front foot control that leaves very little to chance whilst still looking to attack at every turn. It is literally the most difficult thing to pull off.
I think how one feels about that level of perfect execution depends on their personality. There are people who just admire excellence. They get off a perfectly executed camera work or script in a film or a solo in a musical piece. those tend to be generally people within those industries whose deep knowledge of the craft enables them to admire the sheer skill it takes to pull it off which is why coaches and people in football are in awe of Guardiola. To others, it is all about the visceral impact. If something provides an emotional ride, it trumps anything and is considered more entertaining and purely fun than any brilliant demonstration of skill.
I personally think when it comes to football, both have a place and have their merit for very different reasons. There is nothing wrong with the "intellectualisation" of the game the way the likes of Guardiola, Cruyff or Sacchi approach it. That's what humans do and an essential part in improving and elevating the game, not to mention give it another dimension. But there is also a place for the way the likes of Fergie or Klopp approach the game. It may be less perfect theoretically but it treats it as the visceral high octane pleasure that many of us fans experience it. Both approaches essentially come from loving different facets of football and there is something beautiful about that.