its never seizes to amaze that Pep fan boys believe he has improved any of those players.....
Pep on MNF special
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
He’s done a great job. A lot of bitterness towards him in here though but it’s to be expected.
I enjoy listening to him a lot, always comes across well.
I enjoy listening to him a lot, always comes across well.
Reaching the CL final trumps either of the two trophies Mou won last year IMO.
The EL win was crucial, don't get me wrong, but merely reaching the final of Europe's premier tournament is a more impressive achievement I reckon.
Winning nothing > winning trophies? Not for me.
As far as I'm concerned there's no trophy called "CL final". If they don't win it, it'll mean feck all in the long run.
Agree with this. You don't see too many Arsenal fans dining out on losing in their one and only appearance.
And we ourselves don't talk much about 2011 final as some sort of an achievement.
Or 2009. Ugh, bad memories.
At the end of the day, if Liverpool lose, it's another trophyless season for them and that is how it will be remembered.
Of course he has...
Sane one of the most sought after young players in world football
Sterling not long off from being a part of the most lethal attack in Europe at 20 yo
KDB was the best player in Germany
Fernandinho an experienced Brazilian international
Stones who has regressed imo
Otamendi who was considered the best defender in Spain.
These are the examples you use? Not exactly winning the league with Smalling as RB with Young, Cleverly and Welbeck in your first 11!
He's still improved them all. Maybe not Stones.
What you said about some of these players pre-Pep.
Has Pep improved them that much or is it the natural progression of top, young players?
Wouldn't KDB play better at City being surrounded by 500m worth of talent than playing at Wolfsburg?
Sane plays better alongside Silva / KDB / Aguero shocker
Edit yeah thats me asking a question that was right to ask after finishing 1 point above 4th. I actually think history shows he underperformed with the City squad last year.
If thats the best you've got then I suggest you trawl through more of my year old posts.
Theres nothing contradictory there?
No. It doesn't.
A CL win and win alone will trump any other cups.
We went and lost couple of CL finals to Pep's Barca. Did us no good.
Yeah... now.
Having the right profile to execute plan is all the same. The difference is only havibg one approach vs adopting plan B & C if you can't get the players for your plan A! We all can agree Pep is one hell of a coach when it comes to his plan A. However, when having to deal with lesser quality, he doesn't look like punching above his weight with the lesser (still) quality at his command. Throughout history, many coaches showed they can defy the odd with different approach adapting to the quality of their players
This forum cried into their Fred the Red pillow cases when City signed him, your lot tried your best as well.
Sane wasn't a secret ffs
Exactly...Really don't understand this whole "Wish we had Pep" brigade.He's our adversary,our main rival,He's City's manager for christs sake!
Are you seriously comparing the United squad under LVG,with what City had under Pellegrini??
Natural progression of top young players? It's not that easy, look at Martial, Shaw, Rashford. Progression for young talents is far from certain. They've all improved under Guardiola, to what extent can be argued, but to deny the improvement is wrong.
It wasn't after Guardiola's first season, that comment was pre-Guardiola.
Finished equal on points. The City squad was better, but it had big deficiencies.
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Put some nice cherries in with good ingredients, you can make a lovely cake.
Mix those cherries in with a bag of shite, you have a bag of shite with bits of fruit floating in it.
Mix those cherries in with a bag of shite, you have a bag of shite with bits of fruit floating in it.
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Some of the posts in this thread, you would they are written by Telenovelas experts the way they whorship Pep
Great coach but can’t be arsed hearing him. Yaps a lot unnecessarily. Brevity isn’t his strong suit, the pseudo hippie cokehead.
Any link?
Thank you mate.
I'm not talking about what good it does in the long term, but about how impressive an achievement it is.
Getting to the final two in Europe's top comp has to be more impressive than winning the 'best of the rest' trophy or the league cup!
No, it doesn't have to be. If they lose, they managed to finish 4th on the final day. And that's it. Their entire season yielded CL qualification. On the final day.
Some of the worship for pep in this thread is sickening. Good manager yes no doubt, but people on here going in like he’s the best ever and he’s clearly fecking not.
Utter nonsense
This is just laughable! KDB for example was this good before Pep even arrived at City. His figures in Germany are ample proof. Just in an under performing City side it wasn't being seen. Stones is literally the same player he was at Everton. Sane was always this good just at a much, much worse club. Sterling is back to the form he had when he first broke out at Pool after one difficult season when he arrived at City. Otamendi simply re found the form that once made him La liga defender of the year before City got him. Fernandinho has been top class for years and had been City's best CM not named Toure ce he signed. You pep fans simply take your worship of him too far....
I just went through the thread again just to make sure if I missed something and there is absolutely nothing remotely close to worshiping. The highest praise Guardiola is getting on here is that he has done a brilliant job at City or that our fans would take him if he was not City's manager. There is this side and the rest whingeing about everything from City, their money, owners and the media.
Maybe say this after we know what happens in the Champions League final...
How on earth is that worshiping? The opinion that a fan would want their team to be managed by someone who is considered by many as the best in the world is worshiping? If someone wrote they'd swap Sanchez for Messi or Ronaldo, would you call that worshiping?
I think the improvement in Sterling is undeniable.
There's even that goal he scored (I think v Spurs) where footage of a training session earlier in the season showed Pep coaching him on the exact move he scored with.
Okay, firstly, it's 'worshipping'. Sorry, but that continual misspelling is annoying me.
And secondly, someone saying "99% of our fans would swap Mourinho for Pep" ISN'T worshipping him? This person is so enamoured by lord Pep that he feels he speaks for almost our entire fanbase.
This is a good analogy of City and United position when Pep and Jose came in.
Mourinho came in we had De Gea at the very top level and that was about it. Which is just ridiculous given the money spent by LVG. We have added some more quality but the squad has still got a big bagful of crap that needs shifting. You see Pogba for France he’s a different player.
Even the likes of Martial, Rashford, Shaw and at the time Depay. All promising young players when Mourinho came, it doesn’t guarantee they will get to their potential and be consistent.
Pep got KDB, Aguero, Silva, Fernandinho, Kompany. You could add in Otamendi and Sterling when he started and spent more on players than any other club in the league.
What the City side has achieved in the league is obviously unbelievable but I get frustrated when United get compared to City. LVG and Moyes did so much damaged in their 3 years plus you can add a real lack of investment building up to that.
This thread makes me kind of sad
Him scoring with the exact move Pep coached does not equate to improving him. People on here have short memories. Sterling at 17/18 years alongside Suarez and a then fit Sturridge spent a season running rings around the entire league till Gerard's slip cost them a league title.
The way people talk of Sterling one would think he was a nothing player before Pep got a hold of him