Not a particularly effective one so far.Lukaku, Pogba and Bailly is a spine.
Not a particularly effective one so far.Lukaku, Pogba and Bailly is a spine.
Nice to see you have patience with younger players. Maybe we should sign older ones.Not a particularly effective one so far.
I have plenty of patience. Pogba and Bailly have a lot of unrealized potential but the results simply haven't been here so far.Nice to see you have patience with younger players. Maybe we should sign older ones.
Well then you see why we need some guaranteed quality like the rest of the top teams have then.I have plenty of patience. Pogba and Bailly have a lot of unrealized potential but the results simply haven't been here so far.
Good then you agree with my original point.Well then you see why we need some guaranteed quality like the rest of the top teams have then.
I really really hope you’re right about this because I haven’t seen too much potential there yet. Mature, ball playing CB hopefully what he needs beside himI have plenty of patience. Pogba and Bailly have a lot of unrealized potential but the results simply haven't been here so far.
This is your original point? This is what the club is doing.The bigger problem with 29 is that we should be buying players who are on the cusp of breaking through not those on the downward slope who are in search of one final big contract before their careers wind down. Its not just physical, but also to a degree about hunger v complacency. That will obviously have its exceptions but in general, we should be going after players between the ages of around 18-25 who can contribute at a high level for up to a decade.
We just bought Alexis (traded for actually) and are linked with Alderverield. That's the entire point of this thread.This is your original point? This is what the club is doing.
I am 27 about to turn 28 and I do not want us to sign anyone older than me.As someone who has just turned 29, I find it very hurtful and you're all giving me a complex.
You agree that we should sign these players?We just bought Alexis (traded for actually) and are linked with Alderverield. That's the entire point of this thread.
Looking at the case of Manchester Unied though, who was left afer the likes of Rio, Evra, Vidic etc? What young players did we have to grow into players who were good enough for United? I am talking about after SAF’s last season and then the recruitment under Moyes and van Gaal. Are we supposed to win leagues with Carrick and Rooney on their last legs? It doesn’t compare with the likes of Marcelo or Ramos for example. The squad was a shambles.It is different a team with players of 28, 29, 30 years who have played for many years together to buy players of 29 to try to form a team.
Marcelo,for example,he arrived with 18 and has improved to what he is today but would be different to buy him with 29/30 when in general his best version has been seen or expect that he will inmediately reach the same level.
In the same way Raúl, Rooney or Torres with 29 were not the same as Modric. Each player matures in a different way. Aspas is 29 ?and is in the best moment of his career.
If you have the team done and only need a complement / assume that it will be a short stay then it is a good option. Van Nistelrooy arrived in Madrid with 30 and played 3 very good seasons.
In general, I think the CB improve with the years and are signings more reliable.
If this is about your signings I would sign Alderweireld at a moderate price but not Willian or Bale
You’re very much in the minority in believing that, so he can hardly be considered an average signing in the context of all this.I don't think he was as great as people here seem to think. He's a bit of jack of all trades and I am not sure what exactly he is good at.
To be sure then, are we 2nd because everyone else In the team is good? Or because everyone else in the league is poor? Or do we not deserve the results we've got this season and should be lower?I have plenty of patience. Pogba and Bailly have a lot of unrealized potential but the results simply haven't been here so far.
And Real's starting CBs were teenagers when they signed for Real.It is different a team with players of 28, 29, 30 years who have played for many years together to buy players of 29 to try to form a team.
Marcelo,for example,he arrived with 18 and has improved to what he is today but would be different to buy him with 29/30 when in general his best version has been seen or expect that he will inmediately reach the same level.
In the same way Raúl, Rooney or Torres with 29 were not the same as Modric. Each player matures in a different way. Aspas is 29 ?and is in the best moment of his career.
If you have the team done and only need a complement / assume that it will be a short stay then it is a good option. Van Nistelrooy arrived in Madrid with 30 and played 3 very good seasons.
In general, I think the CB improve with the years and are signings more reliable.
If this is about your signings I would sign Alderweireld at a moderate price but not Willian or Bale
Not really. Would imagine both full backs are being replaced this summer and they are our most experienced players.We already have a lot.
I would obviously snap your hands off, although Modric/Valencia/Chiellini are showing their ages now. How much would it cost though, and how much would it cost in a year, maybe 2 to replace almost all of them.Hypothetically speaking, if I offered you the chance to start our league campaign in August with this line up, what would you say?
GK De Gea
RB Valencia
CB Sergio Ramos
CB Chiellini
LB Marcelo
CM Fernandinho
CM Modric
CM David Silva
RW Willian
ST lewandowski
LW Sanchez
Just an example that an entire team of 30+ year olds can still look the part.Not really. Would imagine both full backs are being replaced this summer and they are our most experienced players.
I would obviously snap your hands off, although Modric/Valencia/Chiellini are showing their ages now. How much would it cost though, and how much would it cost in a year, maybe 2 to replace almost all of them.
We signed Matic and he probably had a meltdown.We had a poster called 'don't sign old players', he must have been a bit of a tosser because he got banned, but I liked his username.
Good post and thanks for the effort, but the bolded is where my issue arises. Such is the level of science and facilities/coaching available to footballers, pretty much ANY player (injury plague barring) should be in that latter category, where they can get 4 or 5 more years at the top, thus justifying putting faith in signing a 29 year old. I genuinely believe that list with the 32 year old should be at least quadrupled by the time current 29/30 year olds get to that age.Sorry for the long post but I felt this was really needed for some perspective.
Based on the current players I think we can easily conclude that, unless you're an amazing athlete, you're pretty munch done at top level after the age of 33.
The only top players aged 33 or older:
- Buffon (39)
- Ibrahimovic (35)
- Robben (33)
- Iniesta (33)
- Ribery (34)
- Barzagli (36)
- Dani Alves (34)
- Cech (35)
Of those, two are goalkeepers, but the others are still usefull for their club even though they're not always starting. You wouldn't buy these players right now but it wouldn't be bad to have them at your club either.
The top players aged 32:
- Ronaldo
- Chiellini
- Handanovic
- Thiago Silva
- Miranda
- Fernandinho
Again, except for Ronaldo, I don't think any top club would buy these players right now but they're nice to have in your squad.
Top players aged 31:
- Neuer
- Ramos
- Modric
- David Silva
- Godin
- Filipe Luis
- Kompany
- Marchisio
- Valencia
- Koscielny
- Mandzukic
These players might seem 'old', and they might give you the idea that they've been around for ages and should retire soon, but they've usually shown no signs of aging and can usually go on for another year, perhaps two.
I'm not even listing the players of 29/30 years old because there are just too many, including the likes of Messi, Suarez and Pique.
So what we can conclude from this is that if you buy a player at 29 he can probably go on until he is 30/31, and with a bit of luck even until he is 32/33 meaning you get atleast 2 to 3 years out of him and in the best case scenario you get him for 4, maybe 5, years.
And Chelsea signed Makélélé after he had turned 30Fernandinho is 33 and is having his best season.
Bailly and Jones say Hi.We live in a world where medical science is as good as it’s ever been. Physios are better, treatments are better, medication is better and recovery times are shorter.
Lets go to your list of players aged 31. If you have to choose between those players now or same players three years ago, who would you choose?Sorry for the long post but I felt this was really needed for some perspective.
Based on the current players I think we can easily conclude that, unless you're an amazing athlete, you're pretty munch done at top level after the age of 33.
The only top players aged 33 or older:
- Buffon (39)
- Ibrahimovic (35)
- Robben (33)
- Iniesta (33)
- Ribery (34)
- Barzagli (36)
- Dani Alves (34)
- Cech (35)
Of those, two are goalkeepers, but the others are still usefull for their club even though they're not always starting. You wouldn't buy these players right now but it wouldn't be bad to have them at your club either.
The top players aged 32:
- Ronaldo
- Chiellini
- Handanovic
- Thiago Silva
- Miranda
- Fernandinho
Again, except for Ronaldo, I don't think any top club would buy these players right now but they're nice to have in your squad.
Top players aged 31:
- Neuer
- Ramos
- Modric
- David Silva
- Godin
- Filipe Luis
- Kompany
- Marchisio
- Valencia
- Koscielny
- Mandzukic
These players might seem 'old', and they might give you the idea that they've been around for ages and should retire soon, but they've usually shown no signs of aging and can usually go on for another year, perhaps two.
I'm not even listing the players of 29/30 years old because there are just too many, including the likes of Messi, Suarez and Pique.
So what we can conclude from this is that if you buy a player at 29 he can probably go on until he is 30/31, and with a bit of luck even until he is 32/33 meaning you get atleast 2 to 3 years out of him and in the best case scenario you get him for 4, maybe 5, years.
Those same advances are going to make younger players better too.Good post and thanks for the effort, but the bolded is where my issue arises. Such is the level of science and facilities/coaching available to footballers, pretty much ANY player (injury plague barring) should be in that latter category, where they can get 4 or 5 more years at the top, thus justifying putting faith in signing a 29 year old. I genuinely believe that list with the 32 year old should be at least quadrupled by the time current 29/30 year olds get to that age.
You are missing some players. Off the top of my head Suarez and Cavani. Players like Messi are turning 31 this summer as well.Sorry for the long post but I felt this was really needed for some perspective.
Based on the current players I think we can easily conclude that, unless you're an amazing athlete, you're pretty munch done at top level after the age of 33.
The only top players aged 33 or older:
- Buffon (39)
- Ibrahimovic (35)
- Robben (33)
- Iniesta (33)
- Ribery (34)
- Barzagli (36)
- Dani Alves (34)
- Cech (35)
Of those, two are goalkeepers, but the others are still usefull for their club even though they're not always starting. You wouldn't buy these players right now but it wouldn't be bad to have them at your club either.
The top players aged 32:
- Ronaldo
- Chiellini
- Handanovic
- Thiago Silva
- Miranda
- Fernandinho
Again, except for Ronaldo, I don't think any top club would buy these players right now but they're nice to have in your squad.
Top players aged 31:
- Neuer
- Ramos
- Modric
- David Silva
- Godin
- Filipe Luis
- Kompany
- Marchisio
- Valencia
- Koscielny
- Mandzukic
These players might seem 'old', and they might give you the idea that they've been around for ages and should retire soon, but they've usually shown no signs of aging and can usually go on for another year, perhaps two.
I'm not even listing the players of 29/30 years old because there are just too many, including the likes of Messi, Suarez and Pique.
So what we can conclude from this is that if you buy a player at 29 he can probably go on until he is 30/31, and with a bit of luck even until he is 32/33 meaning you get atleast 2 to 3 years out of him and in the best case scenario you get him for 4, maybe 5, years.