Or... it’s the rule of law and separation of powers in operation. I understand if these are unfamiliar concepts round your way.
Russia's at it again
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The victims are involved at in international espionage at the very highest level. You really think that they wouldn't be able to, in this infinitely interconnected world, be able to get out a message if they were being held under duress?
Rather it seems that they want to disappear, as best they can, out of the sight of the dark hand of Putin.
Which way is that?
She did have a phone conversation with her cousin. That was that.
Are you suggesting that it's impossible for an intelligence service to keep people isolated even in this infinitely interconnected world? I can guarantee you, they have ways of turning someone into a brainwashed zombie in a matter of weeks, if not days. By the time they present you to the world, you'll be ready to say anything and be convinced it's the truth.
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Chemical weapons watchdog amends claim over Salisbury novichok.
OPCW corrects own director who had said 50-100g of nerve agent was used in spy poisoning.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...watchdog-amends-claim-over-salisbury-novichok
Must have said something he shouldn't have to have his own organization correct him. Nothing fishy about it, nothing at all.
OPCW corrects own director who had said 50-100g of nerve agent was used in spy poisoning.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...watchdog-amends-claim-over-salisbury-novichok
Must have said something he shouldn't have to have his own organization correct him. Nothing fishy about it, nothing at all.
Logic suggests he said grams instead of milligrams and the scientists that work under him have then corrected him. Surely if it was anything untoward, the scientists that work under him would have been under orders to keep their mouths shut? It makes it less suspicious that his own organisation corrected him rather than another organisation point out his error, no?
Indulge me with your wonderful theories...
Good article about how the Russian government brainwash their own people into being convinced whatever lies they tell are the truth.
I don't have any theories, I just post whatever information regarding this case pops up in the news, everyone is welcome to draw their own conclusions.
Never mind Russians and their lies, we've already established they're the source of everything that's wrong with the world. What about that strange silence from British press on Skripals lately? Isn't it odd that in the aftermath of an international scandal the likes of which the world hasn't experienced even at the height of the Cold War tensions, with hundreds of diplomats expelled, sanctions announced, verbal barbs from both sides attacking each side's integrity and trustworthiness, two months past and we haven't got a single question answered? No peep from the victims, no suspect, nothing. But what do I know, I'm just an ordinary Russian brainwashed by his government propaganda.
Well at least you’ve finally had the decency to admit it
Yulia Skripal's statement in full
This is the full handwritten text of Yulia Skripal's statement in her first publicly filmed appearance since she and her father were poisoned in Salisbury.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44232346
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This is the full handwritten text of Yulia Skripal's statement in her first publicly filmed appearance since she and her father were poisoned in Salisbury.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44232346
Tumbleweeds from antihenry, as expected.
Russia claiming she's been forced to issue the statement and refusing help from Russia.
What do you want me to say, exactly?
Nothing's changed, it's been two-and-a-half months since the incident and her family members and Russian diplomats are yet to be allowed to see her. Not a single question has been answered.
Shocker.
That your cynicism was misplaced and wrong.
Can I point out how hilariously hypocritical this is, living in the west with Donald Trump, Fox News, #fakenews, and current conservationism in the USA? I mean, ffs, think about it for one second please.
Its a bit like reading a new report that confirms OJ murdered his ex-wife
She looked great didn’t she. Only the scar on the next where I presume they had to open her airways up?
Didn’t need a full second but took one anyway. Don’t see any hilarious hypocrisy at all. Then again I don’t pay a lot of attention to the above “western” examples.
How did you figure that? Because after waiting for eleven weeks we got to see a short clip and a written statement? Really? By the way, there are some inaccuracies in translation between the English and Russian versions of the statement, but I'm not going to bother with that. Would you be convinced if it was the other way around and Russians were handling it in the same manner the Brits have done so far? This thread would be full of outrage and all sorts of accusations. But it's been pretty dead for a while now. Funny how that works.
I said on this very thread, if you isolate a person for a period of time and let professionals handle him/her, they can turn anyone into anything. Plus, Yulia Skripal isn't some hardened operative with years of training, she's just your average young woman who got caught up in something much bigger than her. Do you really think it's difficult to have her convinced of anything, given her situation? Why hasn't she been allowed to see her family this whole time? The very first chance she got while still in hospital, she managed to get hold of a telephone (we don’t know how, it was not her own and she has not had access to one since) and phoned her cousin Viktoria, and after that there were weeks and weeks of silence. Since that phone call, of which we only know because Russians broadcast it on the TV show, (to drive their own agenda, of course) the Skripals have made no attempt to contact their family in Russia. That includes no contact with Sergei’s aged mum, Yulia’s grandmother, who Viktoria cares for. Sergei normally calls his mother – who is 89 – regularly. Since the incident took place, the old lady has heard nothing from either of them. Odd, don't you think? Why haven't her country's diplomats been allowed to see Yulia, talk to her and make sure she's OK since the incident, in violation of an international law? What does British government have to hide that they go to such lengths to ensure no-one sees or talks to the victims for such a long period of time? Hell, we don't even know what exactly happened to those two and where they were and who was in regular contact with them all this time, we just have to take the official statements as God's truth all along. In the meantime, the authorities have yet to produce a suspect. Nothing. Big fat zero.
So far not a single shred of proof of Russia's involvement has been presented. The accusations of Russia being the only country that had the means to produce Novichok have since been proven to be totally false. Hell, we don't even know if it was Novichok that was used. And if it was, and the victims have been sussessfully treated (miraculous recovery from the very powerful and quite deadly substance, I might add), that means the Brits had an antidote, which means they had the agent all along, too. So why cry to the whole world right from the start that it could only have been Russians? If you still have no proof or even a suspect, that means you haven't had them back then, either. Why create all this noise and turn it into an international scandal when you've got no evidence whatsoever to back up your accusations? And all we've read or heard from the British press so far is that it must have been Russians because it's just like them to act in such manner. Brilliant analysis. The public also seems to be blissfully unaware of what's happening around them and how their own government treats them like idiots. Not that it's any different down in Russia.
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Doesn’t mean that they haven’t got a suspect just because the public haven’t been told about one or given a name. They won’t give a name out or tell you anything about him/her. Alerting the suspect(s) at this stage would be a bit foolish, don’t you agree.
You have no credibility mate.
Dutch government has released an official statement saying Russia is responsible for shooting down MH-17 flight.
I mean when we are listing out odd things about the case, how about a country murdering their own citizens in a foreign land?
Are you talking about this particular case? Because I haven't seen any proof of Russian involvement so far.
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Not sure what the relevance of this is to the oddness about Russian citizens getting murdered in England but thank you I guess.
You asked about a country murdering it's own citizens in a foreign land, so you're welcome I guess.
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No, I didn't. I just replied to Antihenry's frankly nonsensical post about the list of odd things he found in the case. I've never said that other countries engage in such activities. It's wrong and odd, whoever does it. FWIW, I wasn't criticizing Russia, just antihenry's stance that it everything is an anti-Russian conspiracy.
Not sure why you felt the need to underline that your own country does it. Go and protest vote for Harambe then.
Care to point out where I said that everything is an anti-Russian conspiracy? I never even said it wasn't Russians who did it, because I simply don't know. All I said was, given all the outrage this caused and long term negative consequences for international relations, the Skripals case has way too many holes and in fact not a single question has been answered so far and not a single piece of evidence of Russian government or intelligence being part of it was presented to date. Do you have anything to counter that? Did I miss something?
It could've been the Russians...it could've been the Chinese....it could've been some 400 guy with a laptop on his bed.
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@Red Defence I really couldn't be bothered replying to this. It's obvious that you believe everything your government tells you in this case, even the least logical things, so what's the point of arguing. In your reality it all looks above board and there's no reason to doubt anything. Let's just agree to disagree.
The difference is the UK govt is subject to the rule of law and the Russian one is not. Ultimately it is the rule of law I trust, rather than the governments word. And occam’s razor too. So yeah, I will accept that the Skripals behaviour since the assssination attempt is motivated by fear of the Russian govt. Because fecking duh.
I can see both sides of this situation and what I’ve been trying to show you is the other side, because all I hear from you is the narrative from the Russian government. I’ve also tried to put myself in Yulia’s position ( not easy obviously) and that’s where I’m coming from.....my own beliefs and not other people’s and not the government’s. Admittedly I’ve lived in the U.K. all of my life and that helps too. You get to understand a little of the way they work....and more importantly, a lot of the way they don’t work.