DWelbz19
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Great shout. Completely forgot about us!Probably our treble winning side. Bayern and Barca in the same group. Inter -> Juve -> Bayern in the final.
Great shout. Completely forgot about us!Probably our treble winning side. Bayern and Barca in the same group. Inter -> Juve -> Bayern in the final.
Napoli > Bayern > Atletico > JuveThis Madrid side are talented individuals pushing through with a dressing room brimmed with leaders and winners who get results. Barcelona were a unit who’d win games by stamping their football into a side.
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Has there been a tougher run-in to a CL final than what Madrid just went through this season?
PSG -> Juventus -> Bayern -> Liverpool
They’re absolute freaks in the CL.
Our 11-12 was pretty bad if I'm being honest with you, we beat a meh Chelsea side in the QFs and spanked a poor Schalke team in the semis. Our line up had Fabio, Park, Chicharito, Valencia, and Giggs in midfield. That team would get destroyed by this Real side.That Barca team were a monster, not taking anything away from Real amazing achievement to win 3 in a row but they couldn't have did this between 08-12.
Real are a brilliant side but i'd say United's 2011 side would have had a decent chance against them tonight better than Liverpool anyway, but in 2011 that United side were beat in what looked like a training exercise by Barca. It was sadly never in doubt.
Sorry to quote, but that's not true and it does irk me when people say that. Our 07/08 final team was much, much better than our 08/09 team, not too mention the poor 11/12 team. See my post above.Barcelona were the most dominant side I've ever seen simply because they made one of our great sides look ordinary, they did lose to Inter at their peak though and that too a 10 men Inter.
I was referring to our 08/09 side, not the 10/11 (probably our weakest team to reach the final). There wasn't a huge difference in our 08/09 side compared to the 07/08, core was basically the same and do remember we absolutely cruised our way to a PL title (when there was actual quality in big 4 teams) and a CL final where we were well beaten by that Barca side.Sorry to quote, but that's not true and it does irk me when people say that. Our 07/08 final team was much, much better than our 08/09 team, not too mention the poor 11/12 team. See my post above.
Barca's overall quality of players in XI and play was higher but this Real side is more ruthless, things that are repeated ad nauseam in Messi v Ronaldo thread so it's a very good comparison imo.Basically this comparison is a bit like Ronaldo vs Messi. Real have done an incredible job of amassing trophies and have written themselves into the history but between the two you'd have to pick Barcelona/Messi because they're quality just shades it and they've also got the medals to go with it.
Btw it's fine if you disagree with me, I'm not going to debate Ronaldo v Messi and I'm sorry if the thread turns into another comparison because of me but I thought it was an apt comparison.
As for Champions league only then yes the Real team is better than Peps Barca. Overall no for me but you can debate it and not sound mad.
Only if you somehow think all trophies are worth the samePep's Barca 14 trophies, Madrid under Zidane - 9 trophies.
But it's nonsensical to disregard style. Barca 09/11 would dominate this Madrid team for fun.
Yeah, not much is spoken about their terrible away record in CL for an all-time great team. I think reason why that side is slightly overrated on this board is because of the way they schooled us in 2 CL Finals.Pep's Barca can do whatever they want, at the end Zizou's Madrid will get the result.
There are too many rose-tinted glasses looking at Pep's Barca, their away record in CL was simply horrible compared to Madrid.
Also remember the 4 consecutive Clasicos within 2 weeks? Barca won just one out of 4, and that was due to horrible refereeing with Pepe being sent off for a non-challenge on Alves' dive. And that Madrid side wasn't nearly as good as Zizou's Madrid, especially last season when they were at their peak.
Great point, even in tonight's match despite the intense pressure Liverpool put them early on. They didn't lose their head and start hoofing, displayed lot of composure to hang in there and eventually got into the game more. Even after giving away a cheap equalizer they carried on well, hallmark of a great team.Madrid's mental strength and ability to win without playing well should count towards how good they are instead of being an afterthought and judging them purely on how they played on the pitch.
What's happening on the pitch rarely matters for them, this team always seems to find a way to get the result they need.
The comparison actually works because I think Ronaldo (vs Messi) and Real (vs Barca) have a higher level of determination and greater mentality in each case.Basically this comparison is a bit like Ronaldo vs Messi. Real have done an incredible job of amassing trophies and have written themselves into the history but between the two you'd have to pick Barcelona/Messi because they're quality just shades it and they've also got the medals to go with it.
Btw it's fine if you disagree with me, I'm not going to debate Ronaldo v Messi and I'm sorry if the thread turns into another comparison because of me but I thought it was an apt comparison.
As for Champions league only then yes the Real team is better than Peps Barca. Overall no for me but you can debate it and not sound mad.
They've just won three champions leagues in a row. I'd say that pretty much changes things.They have done extremely well to win 3 CL titles in a row but they haven't changed football one bit.
I meant tactically wise. Didn't question the historical achievement.They've just won three champions leagues in a row. I'd say that pretty much changes things.
That was at the end of the cycle under Pep. 09-11 is the peak years with 10 when Mourinho did a brilliant job on them in the semis. Think they'd have beaten Bayern Munich in the final so they could've easily done three in a row themselves.Barca crashed out to 6th place Chelsea in 2012.
They should never have gotten to the final in 2009. The biggest example of a con job by the referees I've ever seen.That was at the end of the cycle under Pep. 09-11 is the peak years with 10 when Mourinho did a brilliant job on them in the semis. Think they'd have beaten Bayern Munich in the final so they could've easily done three in a row themselves.
Partly why I didn't begrudge Drogba finally getting his hands on the trophy.Anyone talking about Madrid getting lucky, they should remember a semi final that started the Barcelona dominance.
According to an FBI report, A high profile CL game was subject to match fixing in 08/09...makes you wonder.They should never have gotten to the final in 2009. The biggest example of a con job by the referees I've ever seen.
In football with almost every club, changes are made from season to season and consistency is of major relevance to success. To not make a change that has negative impact and keep a winning formula over 3 years to win the CL is in fact innovative, as its never been done before. Luck, experience and a surrounding winning mentality combined with a team full of great players that all gel together almost perfectly. It is really impressive to archive this... and i think even more difficult to build and get consistent than Pep or Mourinho's formulas which almost tries to remove luck from the equation.Trophies aside, Barca were a highly innovative side tactically wise. There is nothing innovative about this Madrid team. They have done extremely well to win 3 CL titles in a row but they haven't changed football one bit. A great team with a GOAT up front. That's all.
Nah not for me mate and i'm talking about 2010-2011 United here. It was still a pretty good side, better than the one Liverpool that played tonight anyway. Rooney, Nani and Valencia in the form of their careers, Hernandez and Berbatov both getting 20+ goals and plenty of experience. Not saying they would beat this Madrid side but they would have had a better chance than a side with the likes of Henderson, Karius, Lalanna and Milner in it.Our 11-12 was pretty bad if I'm being honest with you, we beat a meh Chelsea side in the QFs and spanked a poor Schalke team in the semis. Our line up had Fabio, Park, Chicharito, Valencia, and Giggs in midfield. That team would get destroyed by this Real side.
Possibly mate yeah, but i don't see how this Madrid side would have beaten that Barca side in 2009 & 2011. That team was just too dominant.Also conversely put this Real team in Pep's years instead of the poor Real team then and Barca wouldn't have been as succesful as they were.
Was mentioned in mine bruv. But otherwise throughout that span, they comprehensively deserved it....especially the 10/11 win, with what is still likely Messi's finest hour in the semi in the biggest game of recent memory for both clubs really.Anyone talking about Madrid getting lucky, they should remember a semi final that started the Barcelona dominance.