Come on now. Really? Better than Rio, Nesta, Baresi, even the likes of Chelini are far better defenders than Ramos.
Is Thiago Silva this generation's best CB?
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Pique or Ramos.
I don't know probably top 5, he has the best combination of athleticism, anticipation and ball skills but he isn't a leader.
At his absolute best(at milan) yes, he was levels above his peers(ramos, pique, boateng, hummels, chiellini, bonucci, barzagli, etc) as a defender. He was as good as Nesta
Then again, overall as a player, and looking at the whole careers, our superhero stands head and shoulders above the rest
Then again, overall as a player, and looking at the whole careers, our superhero stands head and shoulders above the rest
If my life depended on some man keeping the ball out of a net for 90 minutes which is what a defender is there for the 2 i would pick between is Godin or Chiellini
I’ll have what she’s having.
He might be the best but you'll never find out with him playing at PSG. He'd have to do something pretty special at a world cup or champions league to even figure in the conversation imo.
Silva for me but preferred Rio Lucio Stam Baresi and Terry.
You can't play for PSG in France for the better part of your career and be considered the best. He may be good, but imo, the biggest accolades are for the players that aren't playing for the only relevant team in their league.
Sergio Ramos easily.
As a player? Probably only Baresi is ahead of him. Nesta was obviously a better defender but Ramos offered much more than just defending.
Sergio Ramos and comfortably.
Still remember when he was linked with us and people didn't want him here
Still remember when he was linked with us and people didn't want him here
Because he scores goals, now any player outscoring a peer is better than him, doesn't matter if he's a CB, FB or Midfielder.
I don't rate Ramos that high, too error prone, too many hothead moments.
Anyone who has seen madrids defensive record in the last few years cannot realistically put ramos
He was injured. Brazilians didn't buy it though and they question his mentality
The main reason brazil lost 7-1 is because Thiago Silva and Neymar were injured ffs
. They were the teamIt's absolutely baffling. People who are otherwise reasonable call Ramos the best defender of his generation. I must be missing something.
I agreed with that list in general. But I think Silva should be lower. It’s hard to rate player who prefer to play on weaker leagues for all his career.
It is the people who rate players entirely by trophies. They are forced to consider him the best now.
It's the equivalent of Shaq saying "rings Erneh" on TNT. Doesn't make it any less of a absolutely flawed and silly argument.
This (and because Luiz was in the centre of defence) although..The main reason brazil lost 7-1 is because Thiago Silva and Neymar were injured ffs
He was suspended.
What's this about his mentality? Is it recent years due to his injuries?
Surely Rio is up there? Surprised how little his name has been mentioned.
If he didnt play in France when it was considered a genuine farmers league, and wasn't a key part of a team who capitulated against Barca in the CL, he might have had a stake to claim that title.
But in terms of successful, longevity, versatility, leadership and pure ability Ramos is the best of this generation by some distance. He's been unbelievably consistent at an unbelievably high level (albeit whilst being a massive dick) for the last 12 years?
After Ramos I'd say Chiellini. After that there is a huge gap.
But in terms of successful, longevity, versatility, leadership and pure ability Ramos is the best of this generation by some distance. He's been unbelievably consistent at an unbelievably high level (albeit whilst being a massive dick) for the last 12 years?
After Ramos I'd say Chiellini. After that there is a huge gap.
Brazilian fans thought he got suspended on purpose iirc. From what I've heard he doesn't really enjoy the pressure, which is why Emery didn't play him against Madrid this season. I don't really know what's behind it but I've seen a lot of people questioning his mentality.
The CL is apparently the only competition around these days. Even then, he's simply not that great defensively. He's a good player but all of this 'Ramos easily' stuff is rubbish. Many have just jumped onto the hype bandwagon.
Bingo.
Define "this generation".
Ramos is a talisman, but not his defending.
He is rash and mental sometimes, that made him inferior to the generation before him.
As a footballer he is one of the GOAT, but not one of the best defenders of all time.
He is rash and mental sometimes, that made him inferior to the generation before him.
As a footballer he is one of the GOAT, but not one of the best defenders of all time.
The generation where attacking is more prominent quality in a player than defending.
We have seen many comebacks these days from 3-0 behind to 5-3 in a high level CL game.
Defending is a dying arts in this generation according to Rio.
It’s easier to not make any mistakes if you have to defend 5 meters instead of 20 and if you can kick it to a striker instead of trying to play from the back.
Defenders today are underrated in comparison to previous generations, mainly because the role has changed.
Defenders today are underrated in comparison to previous generations, mainly because the role has changed.
Best defender of this generation is between Godin and Chiellini. Thiago Silva used to be good in Milan, but since he changed to PSG and face zero competition in the league he has declined, no where near to be considered the best. Regarding Ramos and Pique, I dont think they should be considered in the discussion, yeah they have won the UCL, Euro and World Cup but neither Barca, Madrid or Spain is admired because of their defense. Ramos figure has been highlighted since the goal against atletico in the final but if you watch la liga you’ll see how many times he makes silly mistakes.
Ball playing defenders today have the same level of ball playing as defenders of old without the defensive quality. Terry was accused of being a no nonsense defender and he had better passing than most ball playing defenders of today. Ferdinand was also a great ball player and defender.
Pique shouldn't be in the talk at all, great on his good days, but he hits abysmal slumps in his form where he can get the team exposed for weeks.
And I almost 100% agree in your opinion with Thiago Silva, especially when he had the choice to play for Barcelona in a golden era to prove his worth, but instead chose PSG for the money. Fair choice, but that has some drawbacks, and I think his legacy as a player will be one of them.
I'd pick Godin as the best in the last decade, permanently underrated in Villarreal, some people here are saying that he thrives due to Simeone's system, I think it's unfair most people didn't even rate him at all before Simeone, he was already class.
Never did anything note worthy in his career.
Ramos is better.
1. Pepe
2. Godin
3. Thiago Silva
4. Sergio Ramos
2. Godin
3. Thiago Silva
4. Sergio Ramos
Thiago S and Pique aren't in the top 5 imo.
Godin's number one for me. However, Silva is generally a little under-appreciated because he did a lot of his best work in Italy and he didn't maintain that top level into his 30s like most centre-halves do. He won't remembered as well as he should have done because of PSG's failure to get over the line in the Champions League. But he still has an impressive portfolio of performances against the best attackers of his generation and he's one of the very few to go toe-to-toe with Messi and hold his own. Although he had the ability to create a legacy on par with Nesta, he'll fall short ultimately because his portfolio at the business end of European competition or the World Cup is thinner than it ought to have been.
Dunno if you're taking the piss about him being suspended there. But anyway there's rarely been such a compelling example of how reliant a team is on one player. He almost single-handedly hung that ropey defence together in 2014.
He was shocking on his return against the Dutch though. RVP and Robben made him look very poor.The main reason brazil lost 7-1 is because Thiago Silva and Neymar were injured ffs