Yup. Agreed. Reckon I’ll give this season a miss.
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Agreed. I love that sometimes I have to think about what I just saw after the fact. More rewarding when you figure things out too...
I don't find it fun when I read an analysis after watching an episode and only then realising I'm watching different timelines. I agree that TV doesn't have to serve EVERYTHING on a plate, but it shouldn't be this complicated.
And if I was alone in this I would have agreed that I'm an idiot and that's that, but too many people say similar things: They don't know what the hell is going on.
It’s not about being an idiot. It’s just a particular style of program. Literally millions and millions of people enjoy forensically directing each episode. Tiny clues here and there hinting at answers to the mystery.
Unfortunately I'm not sure how else I'm supposed to feel if I watch something everyweek and don't understand how things connect.
I wouldn’t mind the narrative complexity if it wasn’t so boring. A show about evil robot cowboys really shouldn’t be this po faced and tedious.
I watched the first episode of season two and have yet to feel any urge to watch more. I keep seeing it on my watch list on the telly and ignoring it because I can't really be arsed with it.
I really enjoyed season one, but that first episode felt really forced and massively convoluted, almost as if the writers bought into their own hype from the first season and thought they could dial up the complexity but never bothered to make it engaging or interesting.
I very rarely give up on a show, I finished Dexter ffs, but I dunno if I'm gonna carry on with this.
I really enjoyed season one, but that first episode felt really forced and massively convoluted, almost as if the writers bought into their own hype from the first season and thought they could dial up the complexity but never bothered to make it engaging or interesting.
I very rarely give up on a show, I finished Dexter ffs, but I dunno if I'm gonna carry on with this.
I don't get that Ford bit. Westworld is basically one big island. Meaning the hosts are contained per default and there is no destroying Delos or protecting the cradle, because even if the Delos as a company goes bankrupt over it some authority will just clean up the mess, even if they have to nuke the whole island, short of the hosts taking over the world, Westworld was sure to get wiped the moment the shot into Ford was fired.
And imho MiB is quite clearly there to play the ultimate game. If he was interested in controlling things he could simply get himself extracted and use the Delos mercenaries to achieve whatever he wants. Flying solo through the park does not make any other sense whatever way you look at it.
I'm also not convinced that he is a host. The final encounter/attempt with Delos senior seems very recent, during which he tells him that the science is still some years away and questions whether the world would be better off without him.
With all the mental effort there are a few minor plot holes!
How do hundreds of rich and prominent American citizens disappear without the outside world becoming aware and the US government sending in the marines? The companies private militia would be quickly sidelined in such circumstances. Where did the company find this magic island which mimics the continental climate of the interior of the United States and its topography?
Perhaps they're replacing dead guests with robots in the most efficient piece of fire control in corporate history? - not very plausible since the uprising was unexpected. Maybe that was the fiendish plan all along: substitute hosts for wealthy and powerful guests and take over the world!
Should I have put that in spoilers, or has it already been talked to death in a dozen online forums?
There's always gonna be plotholes in a show like this. It's about the size of the plotholes and whether or not they ruin your enjoyment.
I'm getting True Detectives vibes about this, not wrt the show quality as TD did take a noticeable dip although I still enjoyed it, but wrt to the reception (and expectations). It's all pretty similar to the first season in style, quality and execution I don't know what some of you were expecting.
First season was vague, meandering, complex, had plotholes and contrivance etc. Just like this one...
I'm getting True Detectives vibes about this, not wrt the show quality as TD did take a noticeable dip although I still enjoyed it, but wrt to the reception (and expectations). It's all pretty similar to the first season in style, quality and execution I don't know what some of you were expecting.
First season was vague, meandering, complex, had plotholes and contrivance etc. Just like this one...
I'm kinda with you on this I don't think MIB is a host, although it's possible. With wrt the ultimate game tho.... Haven't for a clue what that entails. Color me intrigued...
Didn't they actually clarify in one of the early episodes of s2 that Delos basically bought that island from some Asian goverment? By having one of the mercenaries tell a military commander to get lost, because he has no authority there? In such a scenario the US would have no right to intervene and whatever country the island belongs or belonged to would have been bought off by Delos. As far as the climate goes that's probably to picky for a TV show that's science fiction with Cyborgs and transplanted/uploaded minds.
If MiB was a host it would be very poor in my opinion. The very essence of him is that he's a lone ranger who has mastered the art of gun fight with the hosts who can't hurt him. Now things are changed and he has to be careful in gun fights etc.
While I don't believe him to be a host I think a major point of the show is that the (or some) hosts have become so human like that it really doesn't make a difference whether someone was born or created.
I agree. I've given up now on it.
I don't think the US would worry about their 'right' to intervene if so many prominent American citizens were being butchered. The sad truth is that no island with a geography like Westworld's exists anywhere in the world.
My whole post is a bit picky. But just sayin'
Maybe the US would intervene in reality, but in a cynically portrayed future like in WW?
I don't think it's such a huge stretch.
Is Delos even an American corporation? Even if it is, aren't all the guests that were present their employees? For what it is worth, the outside world may still think they are on a long vacation, and Delos certainly have not notified the authorities since they believe it's their mess and can get this under control. Nor to mention that if a government is involved certain things cannot remain hidden.
Watched the latest episode just now. Wow.
So all this while, Ford was controlling Westworld through the cradle. Then he tells the real reason Westworld exists - for Delos to make hosts out of people, and then imprints himself in Bernard's head, becoming the voice of the bicameral mind for Bernard. He then directs Charlotte and co to the house where he was built, where the finale is. Meanwhile Dolores gets her father's control unit which is half the key to unlocking the entire company's IP, they take control of the Mesa, destroy the Cradle so the hosts cannot be reset anymore, and head to final arena.
Maeve needs to have some purpose? She was just shot down while reliving her loop. Why did she get so much screentime, then? And also, there must be a purpose to MiB getting shot, too? We don't even know what his 'game' is, and looks like he's nearing his end playing it. And I wonder where his daughter is. Also, does Ford now control the hosts or not? I think not, but you can never be sure. And how did Bernard kill all the people that we saw floating in the sea in the first episode?
I'll probably have to re-watch the episode before I'm going to make comments on the content, but boy have they picked up steam in their story telling.
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Best ep of the season for me.
Better than 4th? Gotta watch it asap then.
And that's what the feck I am talking about. Epic episode.
Maeve and William are still alive and/or functioning, so I suspect their role is not over yet. Otherwise it would be pretty pointless to award her with that superpower. Bernard killing all the hosts (not people) is the end of the first timeline so we are about to see how it unfolds. It may have something to do with the above mentioned mind control ability.
And how did they made those robots look so much like people and horses? Oh, wait, it's science-fiction series based in the future, where technologies are more advanced (so they can create this magic island from the scratch), and chances are there are no United States anymore as well.
Yeah its pretty clear its a future where corporations have more power and sovereignty while nation states are sidelined. Also if we are assuming technology is as advanced as that host process appears, its easy to imagine how the technology is there for the island to be terraformed without difficulty. Just think about all Ford's changes that are remarked. He changed the whole map and some people weren't even aware until later.
Weird episode this, half of it was pretty decent but the other half such bullshit.
I repeat myself but this series has Lost written all over it: all these plots and timelines for nothing.
I repeat myself but this series has Lost written all over it: all these plots and timelines for nothing.
I just hope they give us a good explanation of how that old guy survives all those bullet wounds (and remains at a functional level).
A dispute over the parameters of a fantasy is about as pointless as medieval scholastics arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin!
But for the sake of it:
The more advanced the technology the greater the potential control any government can exert on those over whom it claims jurisdiction. The breakdown of central authority was far more likely in Ancient Greece than it is today.
Ford's transformation of a tiny portion of Westworld's landscape was a huge undertaking. A major thread in the story is the necessity for Westworld's original creators to seek outside capital. It was a business venture with limited funds: think of the cost of transforming thousands of square miles!
There's also the matter of climate. By their nature islands have distinctive weather patterns. No part of the interior is far from the coast and from the influence of moisture laden sea breezes. Such places can't duplicate climatic conditions in the interior of continents which may be thousands of miles from the ocean.
Because maybe he is not a guy?
You can't say that for sure until the finale.
Yeah of course not but there's only three episodes left and the way the series are going it's 99% certain that most of the open questions won't be answered. Not that they need to give explanation to every single mystery or theory but it seems that there's no time left for satisfactory conclusions.
And what I mean by the way the show is going is that it's going to be Dolores sobbing and hugging confused Bernard and MiB having a whiskey picnic with his daughter who's actually Ford's childhood dog
Given up on this.
Maybe one day I will catch up but no interest at the moment.
Maybe one day I will catch up but no interest at the moment.
Just finished season one. Yet to catch up with the second season.
I really enjoy this show, to be honest. By 1x9 I was becoming incredibly frustrated with quite a lot of the deliberate obfuscation and the way it built intrigue by withholding and manipulating important pieces of information, but the way the season one finale logically resolved every plot thread with a couple of neat twists just to tie everything up struck me as good script writing. It's got me excited for the second season anyway.
I really enjoy this show, to be honest. By 1x9 I was becoming incredibly frustrated with quite a lot of the deliberate obfuscation and the way it built intrigue by withholding and manipulating important pieces of information, but the way the season one finale logically resolved every plot thread with a couple of neat twists just to tie everything up struck me as good script writing. It's got me excited for the second season anyway.
Season two is just a confused jumble of chopped up bits and pieces, with the audience invited to solve a temporal and teleological jigsaw: when does this happen and why? The entertainment philosophy seems to be: 'give the nerds something to speculate about; they'll love it!'
It's managed to retain my interest, but the show seems to be bleeding a lot of viewers.
It's managed to retain my interest, but the show seems to be bleeding a lot of viewers.
I appreciate the mystery and unsolved sub-plots they are creating, and I'm sure when it all comes together at the end (if indeed it does), it'll be great. But I'm quickly losing interest in this and its getting a bit overly complicated to follow. I'm finding myself confused at the end of each episode and its getting a bit tiring for my little brain. Maybe I should just watch Love Island and save myself the hassle.
I have never read an analysis and part of the fun was figuring out the timelines and realising that
the simulation/only exists in the cradle bits were shown in letterbox/widescreen
What about people who don't get it? The show is too smart for them?
I'm enjoying it still but have only a basic grasp of what the hell is going on now.
Maybe but more likely don't want or can't be bothered to invest that much effort in a TV show. Or just don't like the show. And that is OK.
I watch a variety of stuff that I enjoy for different reasons. I doubt I could watch more than one show at a time that was structured like Westworld.
I agree that it's awfully confusing at times but I think it's fantastic all the same. I agree it's a bit like Lost. We just have to hope that we get decent answers eventually.