Having him as a plan B is holding the club back. Just get rid of the idea that we need a plan B and get players that fits plan A.Your statistic that states that Fellaini has scored only 1 goal in 5 years as a plan B. Those statistics did not account for the handful of games where he actually played further up the pitch as a target man rather than a defensive box to box midfielder, which is his regular position until Mourinho gets desperate and push him forward as a plan B, where his goal number increases. You only have to watch United games to understand how a top managers like Mourinho and someone like me(Amadaeus) can see how Fellaini can be a nuisance to defense as a plan B when things are not going well. It is not coincidence that Mourinho push Fellaini forward against Arsenal which saw him score the winning goal. It is a tactic that has been deployed successfully in the past by Mourinho and I have no doubt that other top managers will continue to deploy that tactic despite your arguments that counters the effectiveness of it.
We're so fortunate that we've got you here to educate us then.He is clearly a useful player but never should be an option for our club. He needs to be played as a second striker or in an advanved role, with a club favouring a direct approach due to lack of quality in midfield or creativity. The fact that our fans feel he could contribute to our team by occasionally adopting "that approach" is an indication of
1) How far standards have dropped
2) Unawareness of the football fabric our club was founded on and reason for our worldwide appeal
3) a lack of football knowledge in general
He is NOT good enough to be playing as a midfielder especially against a decent team. I would absolutely jump for joy if i see Fellani in the opposition lineup cos i know my midfield would dominate and run circles due to his lack of mobility and to put 2 tall centrebacks to combat his supposedly aerial threat. His physicality is not very useful in modern football which favours pace, technique and i would like to see our fans to reiterate their opinion of him in December if he plays for another team. All too common during the days of Alan Smith, Jonny Evans, Cleverely and Kieran Richardson.
And here I was thinking it was Fellatio... Sex masochism hair pullingps. It's Fellaini not Fellani
Football fabric? Lack of football knowledge? I've missed a few days. Is Fellaini going for his coaching badges? Supposed aerial threat? Seems like that's his most favorable trait. Maybe I have a lack of football knowledge in general but our last 3 managers and Roberto Martinez all seem to rate him. There have been a number of games where his physicality has produced the winning goal.He is clearly a useful player but never should be an option for our club. He needs to be played as a second striker or in an advanved role, with a club favouring a direct approach due to lack of quality in midfield or creativity. The fact that our fans feel he could contribute to our team by occasionally adopting "that approach" is an indication of
1) How far standards have dropped
2) Unawareness of the football fabric our club was founded on and reason for our worldwide appeal
3) a lack of football knowledge in general
He is NOT good enough to be playing as a midfielder especially against a decent team. I would absolutely jump for joy if i see Fellani in the opposition lineup cos i know my midfield would dominate and run circles due to his lack of mobility and to put 2 tall centrebacks to combat his supposedly aerial threat. His physicality is not very useful in modern football which favours pace, technique and i would like to see our fans to reiterate their opinion of him in December if he plays for another team. All too common during the days of Alan Smith, Jonny Evans, Cleverely and Kieran Richardson.
That i do not dare to claim but its obvious some fans do not understand football, tactics and what this club is all about... But this is a Manchester United forum and we have to be real fans and put on our red tinted specs.We're so fortunate that we've got you here to educate us then.
ps. It's Fellaini not Fellani
Cant just do a 1:1 comparison here imo. Rooney was declining - Fellaini has probably played his best football while being at our club over the last two years. He's not exactly dragging us down anymore.It's tiresome to keep repeating but its obvious Fellaini splits opinions. It reminisce of how a group of fans are insistent that Rooney was past it yet the fanboys were kicking up a storm about his ability as a striker and transition to midfield etc. We all know how it turned up for Everton and his pending transfer to MLS.
You're not making sense here mate, i've said from the start and several times since that those are his goals/assists from being brought on to play as a target man/plan B in games United are chasing. So the stats are not discounting anything, i never said this is all his goals/assists from playing high up the pitch over his entire United career.Your statistic that states that Fellaini has scored only 1 goal in 5 years as a plan B. Those statistics did not account for the handful of games where he actually played further up the pitch as a target man rather than a defensive box to box midfielder, which is his regular position until Mourinho gets desperate and push him forward as a plan B, where his goal number increases. You only have to watch United games to understand how a top managers like Mourinho and someone like me(Amadaeus) can see how Fellaini can be a nuisance to defense as a plan B when things are not going well. It is not coincidence that Mourinho push Fellaini forward against Arsenal which saw him score the winning goal. It is a tactic that has been deployed successfully in the past by Mourinho and I have no doubt that other top managers will continue to deploy that tactic despite your arguments that counters the effectiveness of it.
Cant just do a 1:1 comparison here imo. Rooney was declining - Fellaini has probably played his best football while being at our club over the last two years. He's not exactly dragging us down anymore.
That says a lot about us and him doesn’t it. He’s playing probably the best he can, and he still isn’t good enough to start for us despite us having a shit squad relative to the standards we should be held against.Cant just do a 1:1 comparison here imo. Rooney was declining - Fellaini has probably played his best football while being at our club over the last two years. He's not exactly dragging us down anymore.
It really is tiresome to debate with someone who only understand his own arguments and phrases it this way when I basically just pointed out that their situations are not the same. I'm not even pro Fellaini - Just arguing that Rooney was on the decline, where as Fellaini has been performing better and better.It really isn't. During the Rooney's debate, its quite obvious that Rooney was physically shot. The decline was apparent during Moyes' and LVG's era, yet there will always be a group of fans who will be on a witchhunt for those who criticises the players and would only realise the obvious once the said players departed. The same for Fellaini and nobody can question his commitment but him doing his best was similar to Alan Smith's commitment during his midfield tenure. It really isn't good enough. His presence or lack of is a handicap to his fellow midfielders who lack options and passing channels due to his limitations. It is really tiring to keep repeating when our failings are so obvious.
Many time's under SAF we would spend the last stages of the game lumping the ball into the box in search of an equaliser/winner. Many other teams also did/do this. I personally think there's nothing wrong with this & to boot Fellaini comes into his own when adopting these tactics. I will be sad to see him go. If a condition of him staying is more starts & higher wages then it's probably right we let him go.He is clearly a useful player but never should be an option for our club. He needs to be played as a second striker or in an advanved role, with a club favouring a direct approach due to lack of quality in midfield or creativity. The fact that our fans feel he could contribute to our team by occasionally adopting "that approach" is an indication of
1) How far standards have dropped
2) Unawareness of the football fabric our club was founded on and reason for our worldwide appeal
3) a lack of football knowledge in general
Many time's under SAF we would spend the last stages of the game lumping the ball into the box in search of an equaliser/winner. Many other teams also did/do this. I personally think there's nothing wrong with this & to boot Fellaini comes into his own when adopting these tactics. I will be sad to see him go. If a condition of him staying is more starts & higher wages then it's probably right we let him go.
In all the times we got a last minute winner when Ferguson was manager, I don't recall us aimlessly hoofing the ball up front to a big man. We had a lot more about us than that.Many time's under SAF we would spend the last stages of the game lumping the ball into the box in search of an equaliser/winner. Many other teams also did/do this. I personally think there's nothing wrong with this & to boot Fellaini comes into his own when adopting these tactics. I will be sad to see him go. If a condition of him staying is more starts & higher wages then it's probably right we let him go.
We might have played the odd direct ball when chasing games under Ferguson, but not to the extent it's been done with Fellaini in recent years. Ferguson's teams were more about upping the tempo, bringing on extra attackers and stretching teams with width to create openings and break them down.Many time's under SAF we would spend the last stages of the game lumping the ball into the box in search of an equaliser/winner. Many other teams also did/do this. I personally think there's nothing wrong with this & to boot Fellaini comes into his own when adopting these tactics. I will be sad to see him go. If a condition of him staying is more starts & higher wages then it's probably right we let him go.
Has he really scored many late goals in his time at United?Likes: Dedication, in-game commitment and grit. Last minute goals.
Do I not like that: Having a worldy against us for Everton costing us the title under SAF.
I will never and have never forgiven the feck for that. Very useful player if played up front like for Belgium or in specific circumstances when we need a threat in the box.
I can think of at least 3 !!!Has he really scored many late goals in his time at United?
I think 3 late goals.Has he really scored many late goals in his time at United?
.I dont understand the hate on Fellaini, is he first XI quality? Of course not, but he is a good squad player, now saying this just as a squad player we shouldn’t bother if he leaves or stays, if he stays fine if he goes then we will bring someone who will do the job. Personally I prefer him to leave and bring a promising youngster, such as Golovin or Ruben Neves.
He has also put in some of the most lazy and careless performances of any player to have ever put on the shirt.Likes: Dedication, in-game commitment and grit. Last minute goals.
Do I not like that: Having a worldy against us for Everton costing us the title under SAF.
I will never and have never forgiven the feck for that. Very useful player if played up front like for Belgium or in specific circumstances when we need a threat in the box.
You cant really compare Smith to Fellaini, Smith wasnt very good in midfield, but he had a level of drive and desire that Fellaini just doesn't have.It really isn't. During the Rooney's debate, its quite obvious that Rooney was physically shot. The decline was apparent during Moyes' and LVG's era, yet there will always be a group of fans who will be on a witchhunt for those who criticises the players and would only realise the obvious once the said players departed. The same for Fellaini and nobody can question his commitment but him doing his best was similar to Alan Smith's commitment during his midfield tenure. It really isn't good enough. His presence or lack of is a handicap to his fellow midfielders who lack options and passing channels due to his limitations. It is really tiring to keep repeating when our failings are so obvious.
It's a Felony he's still on the books!We're so fortunate that we've got you here to educate us then.
ps. It's Fellaini not Fellani
Not even in the heat of the momentI cannot wait until Fellaini leaves and we can all stop debating and talking about him.
Atrocious signing.
Should never have been signed, and any utd fan who praised any of his performances need to have a look at themselves.
Awful player - good riddance
Not ever for me. Harsh - maybe. But he's never been good enough to put a utd shirt on and never will be.Not even in the heat of the moment