There is a difference from backing a racist to being a racist though and that’s my point. I remember the Great Dane and Wright incident that was just as bad and it didn’t stop Fergie getting knighted. KD deserves his knighthood and I’m delighted for him as much as I was for Fergie both legends although KD is from the Liverpool side of the fence makes no difference about this for me.The levels they took it to, wearing shirts, blindly defending a player they were dependent on, was probably done out of pragmatism - but you'd have to be a fool to not know that the way they defended him could end up looking like backing a racist. It wasn't like 'lets see this one out' but they went all in with the defence of Suarez. Probably a matter of honour and stupidity, but a noble man would take a step back and see that in reality he was really just defending racism.
I'll do, also make sure to educate yourself before posting bullshit. There's not much difference between posters like you and the newspaper Sun.Ok mate, make sure you clean up after yourself.
Kenny started a charity that raised millions. That's more worthy of a knighthood than his and Fergies footballing glories combined.Undeserved.
To be a "Sir" I think you should be absolutely exceptional. Like Sir Alex.
I think Sir Alex would hugely disagree with youUndeserved.
To be a "Sir" I think you should be absolutely exceptional. Like Sir Alex.
Never been one for knighthoods for charity. If you're well known and rich enough to start with, it's quite easy actually. Raising millions from being a nobody would be more deserving.Kenny started a charity that raised millions. That's more worthy of a knighthood than his and Fergies footballing glories combined.
Publicly, no doubt.I think Sir Alex would hugely disagree with you
You think he'd lie about it in public only to have a differing opinion in reality? Not very "knightly" behaviour.Publicly, no doubt.
Rubbish.Also, without wishing to dig up old ground, Suárez said that Evra started it by calling him 'South American'. There is a Spanish word for South American, sudaka, which is considered extremely offensive as I'm sure the native speakers on this site can confirm.
Two wrongs don't make a right but the truth could be a lot murkier than we've heard. Still love Evra though.
Neither is supporting a racist. Yet here we are.You think he'd lie about it in public only to have a differing opinion in reality? Not very "knightly" behaviour.
A noble man makes mistakes as well. I think he got that wrong no doubt in my mind but that was down to Suarez being one a liar and two a racist. Now KD got that wrong by backing him but it doesn’t make him racist. He fully deserves his knighthood and if you look at the likes of Andy Murray (another fellow countryman of mine) there is no way in the world he deserved a knighthood in front of Kenny. There are plenty more less deserving folk with one also (England rugby team springs to mind). Kenny for playing career, charity work plus most importantly the way he handled the tragedy of Liverpool supporters dying and subsequent funerals (he attended every single one) shows what kind of man he is, as said somethings are bigger than football and rivalries and for me I’m delighted Kenny is getting this recognition.The levels they took it to, wearing shirts, blindly defending a player they were dependent on, was probably done out of pragmatism - but you'd have to be a fool to not know that the way they defended him could end up looking like backing a racist. It wasn't like 'lets see this one out' but they went all in with the defence of Suarez. Probably a matter of honour and stupidity, but a noble man would take a step back and see that in reality he was really just defending racism.
Get the feck out of here with that shite.Reminder that Evra originally came off the pitch and said that he had been called "ni***r" "ten times"
He later changed what he had been called, so Kenny and anyone else at LFC was right to believe Suarez when he said he didn't call him n****r
The Spanish word "Negro" translates as "black" not the n word and not the same meaning as negro in English
I know @duffer has replied and linked Guardian piece but I'd recommend the TV documentary on BBC recently. Think you can still watch - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b57pqyHe was such a technically gifted player, and formed a lethal partnership with rush in the early 80s. Deserves his knighthood.
Always wondered why he left Liverpool in 1990.
So calling someone a black bastard would not be considered racist eh?Reminder that Evra originally came off the pitch and said that he had been called "ni***r" "ten times"
He later changed what he had been called, so Kenny and anyone else at LFC was right to believe Suarez when he said he didn't call him n****r
The Spanish word "Negro" translates as "black" not the n word and not the same meaning as negro in English
Richard Keys writing about himself. Shocking.Well said @Lawman
This thread reminded me of a little peice Richard Keys wrote a few years ago. Worth a read.
The day Kenny Dalglish showed he deserves a knighthood after Hillsborough tragedy
Sports presenter Richard Keys talks about former Liverpool manager's "extraordinary" response
SPORTS presenter Richard Keys has called for former Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish to be knighted for his “extraordinary” response to the Hillsborough tragedy.
The broadcaster, who worked at Radio City for four years from 1978 to 1982, recalled his visit to Anfield the weekend after the disaster to lay flowers.
While paying his respects, he encountered Dalglish, then the club’s player/manager, who took him to meet relatives and players and on to a memorial service at Tranmere’s Prenton Park ground.
He wrote in a post on his blog: “The scene in front of me was incredible. At this time more than half the pitch was covered in flowers. Thousands were pouring in to pay their respects.
“I don’t know how long I was there but as I was leaving I heard a familiar brusk Scottish voice ‘hey, where are you going?’ Initially I thought I’d been rumbled but as I turned round I saw Kenny Dalglish. ‘What are you doing here?’ was the next question. Kenny loved a wind up, but surely not at a time like this! Of course, I didn’t have to reply!
“We stood together for a while marvelling at what was unfolding before us. I think he told me he’d been on The Kop every day since the disaster. He knew where people had left things, teddy bears and the like. He knew the people who’d left them. It had got to him deeply. Remember, he was now player/manager.
“What happened next was extraordinary.
“‘Come and meet some people’, he said. He took me off to the players’ lounge where relatives of those who’d lost their lives, players, players’ wives, his wife Marina, counsellors, clergy - all sorts, were sitting talking, consoling each other and unburdening themselves.
“Kenny just wanted me to talk to people. I had no idea what to say or who to say it to, but it was hugely touching listening and sharing their stories.”
The former Sky Sports presenter said the Reds legend “was at the heart of everything” with wife Marina, adding: “It was incredible to see him and Marina organising everything - on the fly.
“Kenny went on to to make sure the club were represented at all 96 funerals of the Hillsborough victims. He and Marina were two of many remarkable people connected with the club at that time.”
Keys also spoke of his fury at the knighthood given to former Merseyside Police chief constable Norman Bettison, who was a chief inspector in South Yorkshire Police when the disaster happened.
He wrote: “Down the years I’ve watched many sportsmen knighted, some for outstanding achievement, some because politically it suited different governments to do so.
“It’s wrong, just plain wrong, that one of the perpetrators of the outlandish cover up over Hillsborough is Norman Bettison. I refuse to call him ‘Sir’.
“I don’t know what happens to the poor souls who fought such a brave fight for the 96 - the 96 that we knew about, but there were so many more victims left behind - but I do know this. Kenneth Mathieson Dalglish should be knighted for everything he’s done for the City of Liverpool down the years.
“And I’m sorry ‘old boy’ that I’ve been a touch indiscreet - but I’ve had to be. You’re a giant Sir Kenny.”
To be fair Stevie probably deserves a knighthood for the joy he brought to the world with his slip. That is definitely my favorite non United moment in football ever, and I’m sure it is for many others as wellNot underserved but I can totally see RAWK using this as ammunition to get Slippy, Carra, Fowler et al. knighted in a couple of years. Petitions are probably being prepared as we speak.
Oh I forgot how Liverpool fans turned into cultural experts when this case started.
It's got nothing to do with cultureHow dumb can you be not knowing not to call a black player negro 10 times
Have you read the statement, the official one that suarez and your captain gerrard signed?It's got nothing to do with culture
Evra originally thought he was called n****r by Suarez. He then later realised that he wasn't called the n-word.
"– Evra claims that when he asked “Why did you kick me?”, Suarez replied “Porque tu eres negro”. Evra said that at the time Suarez made that comment, he (Evra) understood it to mean “Because you are a nigger”. He now says that he believes the words used by Mr Suarez mean “Because you are black”. http://therepublikofmancunia.com/the-suarez-report-broken-down/
My understanding (can't be bothered to check but certainly will do if necessary is that Evra came off the pitch and accused Suarez of using the n-word multiple times.
Suarez hadn't called him the n-word. So anyone hearing that Evra had accused Suarez of using the n-word but rightly have a first reaction of questioning that.
Reminder the sentence Suarez said was "I don't speak to blacks", only a moron or a Liverpool fan would consider that non racist. Also a reminder that "Sir" Kenny even without knowing the details of the whole case, this was his first reaction:It's got nothing to do with culture
Evra originally thought he was called n****r by Suarez. He then later realised that he wasn't called the n-word.
"– Evra claims that when he asked “Why did you kick me?”, Suarez replied “Porque tu eres negro”. Evra said that at the time Suarez made that comment, he (Evra) understood it to mean “Because you are a nigger”. He now says that he believes the words used by Mr Suarez mean “Because you are black”. http://therepublikofmancunia.com/the-suarez-report-broken-down/
My understanding (can't be bothered to check but certainly will do if necessary is that Evra came off the pitch and accused Suarez of using the n-word multiple times.
Suarez hadn't called him the n-word. So anyone hearing that Evra had accused Suarez of using the n-word but rightly have a first reaction of questioning that.
It's difficult to go either way on that. Managers are so far away from the incident so when they side with their own player, it implies the accusing player is lying and such an accusation is a stain on character. Take Ian Wright - Peter Schmeichel incident for exampleI have no problem with Kenny believing his player.
Commission, though, believed the one I did too.
Arsenal hero Ian Wright has revealed that he lost respect for Sir Alex Ferguson when the former Manchester United boss accused him of 'playing the race card'.
During two particularly hostile clashes between the Gunners and Red Devils in the 1996-97 season, Wright twice clashed with United keeper Peter Schmeichel.
The second altercation, at Highbury, saw Wright jump in studs first on the Danish keeper, seen as something of a revenge attack following their first encounter at Old Trafford three months previously.
That was followed by an argument as the pair headed down the tunnel, with Wright having to be restrained by Arsenal physio Gary Lewin.
Now Wright, in an extract from his new autobiography 'Ian Wright: A Life In Football', has revealed words shared with Ferguson following the second incident left a sour taste.
Wright writes: "In November 1996 during a game he [Schmeichel] yelled at me, 'You f***ing black b*****d' [something Schmeichel has always denied].
"The following February, I did go in hard on Schmeichel, but he made a meal of it.
"After the second game, I met then Old Trafford chief Alex Ferguson. He said: 'I never had you as a race card player.'
"That particularly upset me. I told him I wasn’t, but I don’t know if he believed me. I lost a bit of respect for him that day."
I agree entirely. Some people just need to move on.Thoroughly deserved, as far as the purpose of these silly lists go.
State of some of you lot in here, mind.
Pretty much had a breakdown after a scouse derby matchHe was such a technically gifted player, and formed a lethal partnership with rush in the early 80s. Deserves his knighthood.
Always wondered why he left Liverpool in 1990.