With all the shit being spouted in this thread, there must be some real arseholes in here 
Kenny Dalglish to become Sir Kenny at next New Years honours
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With you being the biggest one.With all the shit being spouted in this thread, there must be some real arseholes in here
Don't fight, people.
Like Sir Alex, he was knighted as the last man to win anything with his club. Only in Fergie's case it was only a few months prior.
Well deserved, though. He's got a lot of respect in the same, and the Suarez thing, although a bit shit, is hardly something that casts a shadow on his life as a player and coach. The way he handled the Hillsborough disaster, both immediately after and decades later is highly commendable.
Well deserved, though. He's got a lot of respect in the same, and the Suarez thing, although a bit shit, is hardly something that casts a shadow on his life as a player and coach. The way he handled the Hillsborough disaster, both immediately after and decades later is highly commendable.
I always love seeing which newbies will never be promoted
Which is something Evra accepted after it was explained to him afterwards.
The question was then whether Suarez intended to refer to Evra's race in an abusive manner to provoke a reaction: which the FA accepted that he did, because he said it 10 times and was caught nipping him during the game.
Whether "Negro" or "Negrito" are insulting in South America or not, or if Suarez held prejudiced views was ultimately irrelevant to the case.
Evra even testified that he didn't think Suarez was a racist, but I'm sure that Liverpool fans have conveniently forgotten the finer details outside of their talking points from the time and would rather just call Evra a liar after he was abused.
Dalglish made a mistake in trusting Suarez, when he lied to him about abusing Evra. It beggars belief, how some people come to the conclusion, that therefore Dalglish is racist himself or that he supports racism.
Would like to hear Patrice's thoughts on this one.
Expected from a country that has committed multiple genocides without owning up to it.
none of the Suarez stuff is relevant - it was a case of misplaced loyalty
Dalglish was a great player, a decent manager, has contributed lots to the game and charities
think he went to most of the Hillsborough funerals including 4 in one day and has worked hard for the families
Dalglish was a great player, a decent manager, has contributed lots to the game and charities
think he went to most of the Hillsborough funerals including 4 in one day and has worked hard for the families
Grow up pal
Suarez Is Racist Kenny Dalglish
I'm using up my last allowed post of the day to reply to this.
Yes, exactly Evra changed what he was accusing Suarez of saying and gave a different account to the panel than the one he gave to the ref after the game.
The point is whether Dalglish was right to question the original accusation of "nigger" being used by Suarez "ten times"
As Evra later backtracked and changed it from "nigger" to "negro" and "ten times" to "five times" then clearly Dalglish was right to question the original accusation.
(Although I don't understand how someone who speaks Spanish "everyday in training" as he told the panel, thought the word "negro" in a Spanish sentence could possibly mean "nigger". Surely his Spanish teammates never talked about buying a "negro car" or a "negro armani jumper", but hey, this is me done for the day)
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Absolutely well deserved, as a player, and manager he won 10 league titles, 3 European Cups and a lot more, and remains top scorer for Scotland, unless I’m mistaken (yes more than 2 goals!), and as a club representative and a human being, he attended dozens of funerals after Hillsborough, and eventually paid the emotional price for it, leaving the club in 1990.
He and Marina have raised tens of millions for charity, and he has always held himself with dignity, and support those around him, even if they occasionally let him down
He and Marina have raised tens of millions for charity, and he has always held himself with dignity, and support those around him, even if they occasionally let him down
Are you drinking?
So if I'm right, what you are saying is that Evra lied about being racially abused. Also if I understand you correctly, it's not ok to use the n word but totally acceptable to kick someone because they are black and repeatedly refer to the skin colour of that person during an argument as long as it's said less than 10 times ?
Because to me any of that is plain wrong, regardless of language or culture and the linguistic tongue of the victim.
Do you own one of the T-shirts ?
Terrace culture. Love it.Absolutely no interpretation of Suarez's conduct can be anything but frowned upon. And picking Evra apart to defend Suarez is disgusting, in my opinion.
Whether he called Evra the N word or Negro, Suarez invoked Evra's race and did so not as a "friend" (cultural apology bollocks, let's not pretend we should learn cultural lessons from societies where systematic racism has been a problem for decades...) but in an effort to rile Evra up and demean him. That is not ok and Suarez was rightfully banned.
Apologizing for Suarez which you are clearly doing is absolutely sickening and pathetic.
As for Kenny, he made a massive error in judgement. He lost his job and much respect globally, so he has paid his price. But ultimately he is still very well respected in football and by the establishment so we can all move on.
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The system at work.
Nice to see Liverpool fans still passionately supporting racists
Is there not going to be an auto-correct function to change to Mr Kenny Dalglish?
It’s not just for his services to football, he was a supportive figurehead around everything to do with hillsborough and helped the families out massively. Fair play to him.
Well deserved for his selflessness and perseverance in the pursuit of justice solely, let alone his successes as a player and manager.
I wouldnt cross the road to see the Queen or any of her family unless it was to get away from them.
Honours list means nothing.
As an ex Celtic -Liverpool player Dalglish can feck off.
Honours list means nothing.
As an ex Celtic -Liverpool player Dalglish can feck off.
Good for him - I'm too young to have seen him play, but from what everyone says I'm sure I would've absolutely hated him as a Liverpool player, so he must've done something right. Also from what people say it sounds like he was second only to Denis Law as Scotland's best ever player so recognition for his ability is certainly due, but it is the Hillsborough aftermath and his charity work that obviously lifts him to justify this honour, and for that I congratulate him.
I'm only surprised that it has taken this long - he obviously let himself down massively in regard to Suarez, but that doesn't seem to have affect the way he is viewed generally - I certainly don't remember any media outlets calling him out on his conduct at the time nor since - so I'm not sure why he wasn't knighted years ago.
Better late than never though.
I'm only surprised that it has taken this long - he obviously let himself down massively in regard to Suarez, but that doesn't seem to have affect the way he is viewed generally - I certainly don't remember any media outlets calling him out on his conduct at the time nor since - so I'm not sure why he wasn't knighted years ago.
Better late than never though.
Has this Man United forum recognised Sir Kenny enough, can we lock this shitshow down.
I hope he demands a shrubbery.
Totally agree with your first 2 lines. As for the 3rd one, well this is sent to you with love xx
That's fair enough. It makes him a very good person who does the right thing, I would like to think most people would do that in his position, I don't think it's enough to be a "Sir"
I think it should be someone who is absolutely unique in what they do. Sir Alex Ferguson, Sir David Jason, Sir Paul McCartney.
Just my opinion.
I can see you lasting a long timeWith all the shit being spouted in this thread, there must be some real arseholes in here
Why would anyone care what some old bint in a castle thinks of them? That said, two things: 1. He deserves recognition for what he did after Hillsborough. 2. But I can never like or support him after what he did re: the Suarez racism incident.
Well deserved. Would be interesting to hear his thoughts on receiving this knighthood
I'd imagine after the drivel you've posted in your 12 post history, that's you done for life on here
It brings that whole one eyed Liverpool fan saga back.
Who can forget some Liverpool fans being adamant that Evra was the one holding back the handshake etc.
Evra obviously had the last laugh, both in a football sense and in a bigger man sense.
That he voted Suarez player of the year was an incredible gesture, and makes him a big man indeed. Most of us wouldn't have dreamed of voting someone who'd racially abused us for an accolade!
Yes remember it well, was at the first leg.Totally agree with your first 2 lines. As for the 3rd one, well this is sent to you with love xx
Thing is Liverpool were at the top while Aberdeen were only starting.
82-85 Aberdeen were a top side in Europe.
Was it 83 when you beat Madrid in the Cup Winners Cup final ? Remember that match well. Jim Leighton was a terrific goalkeeper for The Dons, strange how it never worked out for him at United.
Mark Carne managed to get 100 trains cancelled on Monday. That's pretty unique. Should have got more than a CBE surely.
And you can always count on a pool supporter to change the topic. It’s very relevant as a knighthood means a role model to society and his handling of the Suarez situation is far from that.
Just read through the thread to see how people are still trying to rip Evra apart, quoting technicalities to somehow discredit him for being the victim.
Ok, when you can respond- a few questions - you clearly don't accept that Evra believed that Suarez was meaning the more offensive interpretation (which is quite an assumption given that we're talking a word being applied to a human being, not to a car or a jumper- and in context of talking about people words can take on pejorative meanings- particularly when that context was responding to the question 'why did you kick me' and responding with the line 'because you are black') but;
do you accept that Suarez knew that Evra was angry when he said what he said and continued to say it to provoke him?
do you think that Evra was entitled to be upset by Suarez' actions?
do you not accept that Evra actually spoke on his behalf to the FA by saying that he did not believe he was a racist, but was being deliberately provocative to try to win the game?
do you accept that Suarez was inconsistent with his version of the events after the game, and was actually found to be a liar by the FA disciplinary panel?
do you even think that Suarez was wrong to do what he did?
Anyway, Dalglish was misled and was made a fool of by Suarez, but his legacy shouldn't be too tarnished by it.
As I pointed out earlier in the thread, Sir Alex did similar for Schmeichel (in defending his player before a possible investigation) when he was accused of racism but he had the sense not to do the stupid shirts to create a picture that will be in everyone's mind forever.
Sir Kenny Dogfish.
It's like Sirloin Steak really, just a bit more fishy.
It's like Sirloin Steak really, just a bit more fishy.