Richly deserved, the way that man conducted himself and those around him during the Hillsborough aftermath was humbling.
Kenny Dalglish to become Sir Kenny at next New Years honours
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Happy for Kenny if it means something to him, and certainly the sacrifices he's made over the years more than make him worthy of it. He supported a whole city through its grief.
But personally I would have loved it if he turned it down. I don't recognise the value in any sort of honour from an establishment that demonised Liverpool for years. A knighthood is a shallow gesture for all he's done and represented.
But personally I would have loved it if he turned it down. I don't recognise the value in any sort of honour from an establishment that demonised Liverpool for years. A knighthood is a shallow gesture for all he's done and represented.
There is a difference from backing a racist to being a racist though and that’s my point. I remember the Great Dane and Wright incident that was just as bad and it didn’t stop Fergie getting knighted. KD deserves his knighthood and I’m delighted for him as much as I was for Fergie both legends although KD is from the Liverpool side of the fence makes no difference about this for me.
I'll do, also make sure to educate yourself before posting bullshit. There's not much difference between posters like you and the newspaper Sun.
Kenny started a charity that raised millions. That's more worthy of a knighthood than his and Fergies footballing glories combined.
Deserved. Still hate him though
I'm not a fan of the honours system generally, but given the precedents set in the past great sportsman/charity work/laudable efforts after Hillsborough makes Dalglish a pretty solid candidate.
I'm seeing the line 'how can you knight a King?' from a lot of scousers. The reply 'Dunno but you can definitely sack one' cracked me up.
I'm seeing the line 'how can you knight a King?' from a lot of scousers. The reply 'Dunno but you can definitely sack one' cracked me up.
I think Sir Alex would hugely disagree with you
Never been one for knighthoods for charity. If you're well known and rich enough to start with, it's quite easy actually. Raising millions from being a nobody would be more deserving.
Publicly, no doubt.
You think he'd lie about it in public only to have a differing opinion in reality? Not very "knightly" behaviour.
Rubbish.
Neither is supporting a racist. Yet here we are.
He loves racists.
A noble man makes mistakes as well. I think he got that wrong no doubt in my mind but that was down to Suarez being one a liar and two a racist. Now KD got that wrong by backing him but it doesn’t make him racist. He fully deserves his knighthood and if you look at the likes of Andy Murray (another fellow countryman of mine) there is no way in the world he deserved a knighthood in front of Kenny. There are plenty more less deserving folk with one also (England rugby team springs to mind). Kenny for playing career, charity work plus most importantly the way he handled the tragedy of Liverpool supporters dying and subsequent funerals (he attended every single one) shows what kind of man he is, as said somethings are bigger than football and rivalries and for me I’m delighted Kenny is getting this recognition.
Get the feck out of here with that shite.
Dalglish made an absolute tit of himself over the Suarez thing and it's definitely a hugely negative part of his career.
I'm not a big fan of Knighthoods or anything to do with the Royals to be honest but Dalglish deserves recognition for his charity work.
I trust we will all be mature and ensure that we never refer to him as anything other than Mr Dalglish.
For services related to obtaining dodgy pennos at the Kop End?
#TopRed
Did tell Wenger to ''piss off'' though tbf, which was quite funny.
#TopRed
Did tell Wenger to ''piss off'' though tbf, which was quite funny.
I know @duffer has replied and linked Guardian piece but I'd recommend the TV documentary on BBC recently. Think you can still watch - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b57pqy
A great documentary (I'm keeping it to watch again) about one of my all-time favourite players, regardless of club, and an insight to him as a person/family man and his football career. Nice input from Fergie, great moments of him as a player (genius) and interesting to see that while his public media image was quite staid and serious, how he was with team-mates and family was completely different.
I knew he loved Liverpool but never properly understood how much and I assumed it was akin to some ex players who still like United - after watching the documentary, you could see it ran a lot deeper than that. When Hillsborough happened, he got involved in everything/went to loads of funerals (maybe as manager, he felt an extra obligation). He'd also been at Heysel (and like most Liverpool players, regrets playing that match), so he'd seen his fair share of tragedy.
The VT of him immediately after Hillsborough, at funerals/services after, at the Everton v Liverpool cup game.... I saw all of that when it happened, but watching it again (and seeing the impact on how he was with his family), you can almost see the pressure/grief building and its no wonder he quit. He knew he simply couldn't cope and if he hadn't quit, you wonder what might have happened to him.
GREAT player, good manager (made a mistake with Suarez but we all make mistakes?) and amazing support for Liverpool (relatives, fans, the City) post Hillsborough.
Fully deserved knighthood.
Wonder if he’ll wear his Suarez t shirt to the ceremony the piss stained tramp.
So calling someone a black bastard would not be considered racist eh?
Silly and naive post. The man was found guilty by an independent panel who investigated the incident. To top it all off he refused to shake Evra's hand.
Dalglish really let himself down with all of that. He even refused to reprimand Suarez after the non handshake and had a mini meltdown. Kind of tarnished his legacy a bit with that in my opinion.
Still, deserves recognition for his charity work and what was done personally following Hillsborough. Just a shame he didn't distance the club from Suarez during that period.
Well said @Lawman
This thread reminded me of a little peice Richard Keys wrote a few years ago. Worth a read.
The day Kenny Dalglish showed he deserves a knighthood after Hillsborough tragedy
Sports presenter Richard Keys talks about former Liverpool manager's "extraordinary" response
SPORTS presenter Richard Keys has called for former Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish to be knighted for his “extraordinary” response to the Hillsborough tragedy.
The broadcaster, who worked at Radio City for four years from 1978 to 1982, recalled his visit to Anfield the weekend after the disaster to lay flowers.
While paying his respects, he encountered Dalglish, then the club’s player/manager, who took him to meet relatives and players and on to a memorial service at Tranmere’s Prenton Park ground.
He wrote in a post on his blog: “The scene in front of me was incredible. At this time more than half the pitch was covered in flowers. Thousands were pouring in to pay their respects.
“I don’t know how long I was there but as I was leaving I heard a familiar brusk Scottish voice ‘hey, where are you going?’ Initially I thought I’d been rumbled but as I turned round I saw Kenny Dalglish. ‘What are you doing here?’ was the next question. Kenny loved a wind up, but surely not at a time like this! Of course, I didn’t have to reply!
“We stood together for a while marvelling at what was unfolding before us. I think he told me he’d been on The Kop every day since the disaster. He knew where people had left things, teddy bears and the like. He knew the people who’d left them. It had got to him deeply. Remember, he was now player/manager.
“What happened next was extraordinary.
“‘Come and meet some people’, he said. He took me off to the players’ lounge where relatives of those who’d lost their lives, players, players’ wives, his wife Marina, counsellors, clergy - all sorts, were sitting talking, consoling each other and unburdening themselves.
“Kenny just wanted me to talk to people. I had no idea what to say or who to say it to, but it was hugely touching listening and sharing their stories.”
The former Sky Sports presenter said the Reds legend “was at the heart of everything” with wife Marina, adding: “It was incredible to see him and Marina organising everything - on the fly.
“Kenny went on to to make sure the club were represented at all 96 funerals of the Hillsborough victims. He and Marina were two of many remarkable people connected with the club at that time.”
Keys also spoke of his fury at the knighthood given to former Merseyside Police chief constable Norman Bettison, who was a chief inspector in South Yorkshire Police when the disaster happened.
He wrote: “Down the years I’ve watched many sportsmen knighted, some for outstanding achievement, some because politically it suited different governments to do so.
“It’s wrong, just plain wrong, that one of the perpetrators of the outlandish cover up over Hillsborough is Norman Bettison. I refuse to call him ‘Sir’.
“I don’t know what happens to the poor souls who fought such a brave fight for the 96 - the 96 that we knew about, but there were so many more victims left behind - but I do know this. Kenneth Mathieson Dalglish should be knighted for everything he’s done for the City of Liverpool down the years.
“And I’m sorry ‘old boy’ that I’ve been a touch indiscreet - but I’ve had to be. You’re a giant Sir Kenny.”
This thread reminded me of a little peice Richard Keys wrote a few years ago. Worth a read.
The day Kenny Dalglish showed he deserves a knighthood after Hillsborough tragedy
Sports presenter Richard Keys talks about former Liverpool manager's "extraordinary" response
SPORTS presenter Richard Keys has called for former Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish to be knighted for his “extraordinary” response to the Hillsborough tragedy.
The broadcaster, who worked at Radio City for four years from 1978 to 1982, recalled his visit to Anfield the weekend after the disaster to lay flowers.
While paying his respects, he encountered Dalglish, then the club’s player/manager, who took him to meet relatives and players and on to a memorial service at Tranmere’s Prenton Park ground.
He wrote in a post on his blog: “The scene in front of me was incredible. At this time more than half the pitch was covered in flowers. Thousands were pouring in to pay their respects.
“I don’t know how long I was there but as I was leaving I heard a familiar brusk Scottish voice ‘hey, where are you going?’ Initially I thought I’d been rumbled but as I turned round I saw Kenny Dalglish. ‘What are you doing here?’ was the next question. Kenny loved a wind up, but surely not at a time like this! Of course, I didn’t have to reply!
“We stood together for a while marvelling at what was unfolding before us. I think he told me he’d been on The Kop every day since the disaster. He knew where people had left things, teddy bears and the like. He knew the people who’d left them. It had got to him deeply. Remember, he was now player/manager.
“What happened next was extraordinary.
“‘Come and meet some people’, he said. He took me off to the players’ lounge where relatives of those who’d lost their lives, players, players’ wives, his wife Marina, counsellors, clergy - all sorts, were sitting talking, consoling each other and unburdening themselves.
“Kenny just wanted me to talk to people. I had no idea what to say or who to say it to, but it was hugely touching listening and sharing their stories.”
The former Sky Sports presenter said the Reds legend “was at the heart of everything” with wife Marina, adding: “It was incredible to see him and Marina organising everything - on the fly.
“Kenny went on to to make sure the club were represented at all 96 funerals of the Hillsborough victims. He and Marina were two of many remarkable people connected with the club at that time.”
Keys also spoke of his fury at the knighthood given to former Merseyside Police chief constable Norman Bettison, who was a chief inspector in South Yorkshire Police when the disaster happened.
He wrote: “Down the years I’ve watched many sportsmen knighted, some for outstanding achievement, some because politically it suited different governments to do so.
“It’s wrong, just plain wrong, that one of the perpetrators of the outlandish cover up over Hillsborough is Norman Bettison. I refuse to call him ‘Sir’.
“I don’t know what happens to the poor souls who fought such a brave fight for the 96 - the 96 that we knew about, but there were so many more victims left behind - but I do know this. Kenneth Mathieson Dalglish should be knighted for everything he’s done for the City of Liverpool down the years.
“And I’m sorry ‘old boy’ that I’ve been a touch indiscreet - but I’ve had to be. You’re a giant Sir Kenny.”
Does it matter?
Also, why is there now revisionism over the Racism incident?
I obviously know right well why but, wanted to ask anyways
Also, why is there now revisionism over the Racism incident?
I obviously know right well why but, wanted to ask anyways
Richard Keys writing about himself. Shocking.
To be fair Stevie probably deserves a knighthood for the joy he brought to the world with his slip. That is definitely my favorite non United moment in football ever, and I’m sure it is for many others as well
Racist supporter. Totally undeserved.
In all seriousness, I think it's well deserved. This photograph will never fail to amuse me though.
It's got nothing to do with culture
Evra originally thought he was called n****r by Suarez. He then later realised that he wasn't called the n-word.
"– Evra claims that when he asked “Why did you kick me?”, Suarez replied “Porque tu eres negro”. Evra said that at the time Suarez made that comment, he (Evra) understood it to mean “Because you are a nigger”. He now says that he believes the words used by Mr Suarez mean “Because you are black”. http://therepublikofmancunia.com/the-suarez-report-broken-down/
My understanding (can't be bothered to check but certainly will do if necessary is that Evra came off the pitch and accused Suarez of using the n-word multiple times.
Suarez hadn't called him the n-word. So anyone hearing that Evra had accused Suarez of using the n-word but rightly have a first reaction of questioning that.
Prince Philip giving out awards now
If life is a balance sheet of good and bad seeds his good is far higher than bad. Deserved.
I have no problem with Kenny believing his player.
Commission, though, believed the one I did too.
Commission, though, believed the one I did too.
Have you read the statement, the official one that suarez and your captain gerrard signed?
Actually. Its in your post "he was kicked because he's black". But no racism there
Reminder the sentence Suarez said was "I don't speak to blacks", only a moron or a Liverpool fan would consider that non racist. Also a reminder that "Sir" Kenny even without knowing the details of the whole case, this was his first reaction:
Dalglish said, “hasn’t he done this before?”. This was the evidence to us of Dowd. Dowd remembered this as it caused him to consciously stop and think whether he was aware of any previous allegation involving Evra.
You can whitewash(pun intended) any way you want, but it's clear to me what Dalglish was doing.
Thoroughly deserved, as far as the purpose of these silly lists go.
State of some of you lot in here, mind.
State of some of you lot in here, mind.
It's difficult to go either way on that. Managers are so far away from the incident so when they side with their own player, it implies the accusing player is lying and such an accusation is a stain on character. Take Ian Wright - Peter Schmeichel incident for example
I agree entirely. Some people just need to move on.
For what he has done on and off the field, a thoroughly deserved award and some may say, long over due.
You can always count on the usual suspects to turn a different subject into the Suarez/Evra thing as soon as they get the slightest opportunity to do so.
Even without mentioning his football achievements, it is totally deserved for his role in Hillsborough aftermath and the money his charity raised.
How very typical of post-brexit UK to award a supporter of racism, sums the shithole up in its entirety to be honest.
Pretty much had a breakdown after a scouse derby match